Found a round I haven't heard of before, and did a search on it on the net and came up blank. It's a 7.92X63mm (NOT a Mauser), for the Swedish military, and in the ad it claims a 218grain bullet at 3150fps.....at 125 loonies per 1000 rounds, I'd like to find a reamer for it!!!!
www.marstar.ca/ammo and click on 792x63mm.htm
By the way, check out the prices on the Norinco stuff...I HAVE GOT TO buy me 1911A1 at that price, or an M-14, with my tax return!!!! Sorry Americans, I guess your government won't let you buy cheap ChiCom stuff like our Canadian government will.

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Marstar has M1 Garands for $199 Canadian, what's that about $50 US?

Hahaha Major caliber, Don't you wish.

Exchange rate is 0.67 cents USD= 1 CDN dollar

so you would pay about 2/3's the price.doing the math in my head its about $133 USD I think.

CampX,
Contact Norma at norma@cc. They probably knows who got reamers for 8x63, if you are lucky Norma got reamers!

/Husky

Clarification?

The 7.92x63 is closer to the German 10.75 x 68 than the 30-06?

Do you mean in case head size? Surely not in actual cartridge size.

The 7.92x63 is essentially the same length as an '06 (metrically designated 7.62 x 63), and it's bullet is about .015" larger in diameter.

The 10.75 x 68 case is 5 mm (about .2") longer than the '06, and the bullet is .423" in diameter...or about .115" larger.

I've had 2 commercial Mauser rifles in 10.75 x 68, and I think they compare to a 7.92x63 about the same way a .416 Remington compares to a 30-06.

You must be speaking case capacity or head size, no?

Not being critical, just want to be sure I understand the comparison....

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polytech m14 for 399 c? 250ish, US...

www.marstar.ca

darn... buy em all, boys
jeffe

ALF-

10-4, I hear you. that's what I thought you might be saying. I think you're right on in that respect.

Here's something maybe worth mulling over...when I was really hard pressed to find brass from which to form .280 Ross, one of the options was the 8x68S case...which I seem to recall had the same head size as the 10.75x68.

Now if you remember back, the Germans had a version of the 280 Ross called the .280 Halger...which was said by some to be not much more or less than the .280 Ross overloaded by RWS to Halger's specs with a special RWS powder designed to meet the Halger needs....

Perhaps the 8x68 and 10.75 x 68 were sort of European wildcats of the Ross...? Or vice-versa? I don't recall when the 8 x 68 & 10.75 x 68 came into being....the Ross was in about 1907, if I recall correctly. (There was a 1905 Ross Rifle that was fairly popular, but mine at least was in .303 Brit.)

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Really?

What about the 8x68?

Wouldn't surprise me yet if the relationship was almost as close as that of the .500 Jeffrey and the identical Schuler.

I would be even less surprised after your noting the closesness with which the .280 Ross and the 10.75x68 came on the market.

Don't know that it WAS a case of wildcatting or borrowing from each other, but it seems feasible that the relationship is about like that of the .338 Winchester Mag and the 7m/m Rem Mag.

The .338 Win. came out in the 50's, and the 7 mm Rem in 1962...a few years apart...but they are definitely related. In fact, the 7 mm Rem Mag is reported to be the .338 Win Mag with the neck reduced in diameter, no other changes.

The .280 WAS in use in Africa soon after being developed, and the 10.75x68 was developed for German colonialists in Africa...in colonies right next to the Brit colonies...so, I still wonder.

Personally, I wasn't there, so don't know for sure, but I see a lot of interesting coincidences.

Thanks for your post. Saved me looking up the dates.

Best wishes,

AC

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Assume you meant .492", not .429" for 10.75x68 head diameter...

At any rate you are likely correct, because I just went and checked 2nd Edition of Cartridges of the World for head diameters of the 8x68 and the 10.75x68, and they are shown as different.

At the same time, I really don't trust that text very much. It shows the base diameter of the .280 Ross rimless as .523" and that of the .280 Jeffery rimless as .542". I haven't gone downstairs to the shop to mic either case (because I'd have to dig quite a bit to find them these days), but suspect one or the other of those figures in Cart. of World is wrong. I used both Kynoch cases and Ross Rifle Company cases interchangeably in both my Jeffery and my Ross, with no unusual swelling or force fits in either.

Also should add that I never intended to convey the idea that the 10.75 arose FROM the African colonies, but perhaps rather FOR them. I don't think anyone doubts that cartridge was developed in Germany.


A curious thing....

AC

Oh, forgot to add...I agree the .500 Jeffery was actually Schuler developed. And, virtually all the really reliable ammo for it in Africa was from Germany, from what I have read. Of course, there was considerable competition between the ammunition manufacturers of the two "homelands", and I suspect it confounded the Brits quite a bit to see that many of the settlers preferred such rounds as the 9.3x62 when it came out, and German ammunition which was both cheaper and reportedly more reliable.

I used to collect both English and Mauser Commercial magazine rifles, so agree that many Brit rifles from the big name "London" houses were basically English-stocked and differently sighted Mausers.

Cheers...

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