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I just bought a m1 and 1903 - what 30/06 ammo should I use?

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The M1 should be fired with ammo loaded with faster burning powder as it was loaded in 1936. New factory 30-06 ammo is loaded with slower burning powder which will increase the port pressure and bend the operating rod. Hornady makes the proper ammo for the M1.

Hornady Match Ammunition 30-06 Springfield 168 Grain Hornady A-Max Boat Tail. Hornady #: 81170

Designed specifically for use in the M1 Garand, this ammunition is custom-grade from the factory, loaded to stringent specifications to guarantee proper ignition and provide consistent, match-winning, pinpoint accuracy, shot after shot. Performs as well or better than handloads. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...-boat-tail-box-of-20

If you load your own do not use powder slower burning than IMR-4064. The M1903 Springfield is good for all ammo as long as it is not a low number receiver.


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Interesting...never knew this about the M1

Thanks for the info...
 
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Picked up guns and a Mauser v24 in honesdale - was going to call you but the m1 could be illegal in jersey with its fat donut eating gun grabbing commie governor.

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The M1 should be fired with ammo loaded with faster burning powder as it was loaded in 1936. New factory 30-06 ammo is loaded with slower burning powder which will increase the port pressure and bend the operating rod. Hornady makes the proper ammo for the M1.

Hornady Match Ammunition 30-06 Springfield 168 Grain Hornady A-Max Boat Tail. Hornady #: 81170

Designed specifically for use in the M1 Garand, this ammunition is custom-grade from the factory, loaded to stringent specifications to guarantee proper ignition and provide consistent, match-winning, pinpoint accuracy, shot after shot. Performs as well or better than handloads. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...-boat-tail-box-of-20

If you load your own do not use powder slower burning than IMR-4064. The M1903 Springfield is good for all ammo as long as it is not a low number receiver.


Thanks for info - will get some Hornady.

Seems like a target m1 - will post pictures in a few days.

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From 1938 to 1954 the standard M1 Garand round was M2 Ball. M2 Ball fired a 152 grain flat-base bullet at 2,740 fps. The main cartridge used for competition and sniping (sometimes if available) was the 173 grain M72 Match with a muzzle velocity of 2640 fps. M72 was used from about 1958 till well into the 1970s.

So, what should you shoot? The most important thing is to make sure the ammo functions the rifle properly, not so hard as to beat it up and and not so soft it makes ejection and feeding unreliable. There are many good rounds that will do that, including some with 168 grain boattail bullets like the one listed above. I definitely would not rule out a good 150 gr load. It is very easy to find surplus 150 grain .30-06 ammunition but you need to make sure that you are not using old ammo with corrosive primers.




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I use 4895 in mine.


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For the 1903 bolt - any special ammo or regular 30/06 stuff should work ?

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The 03 should handle about any "reasonable" load including hot hunting loads. The M-1 operates in a very specific pressure and pressure curve range because of how the action works. for reloads i've found that just about any 150 grain and 48.5 grains of IMR-4895 work very nicely.
 
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The 03 should handle about any "reasonable" load including hot hunting loads. The M-1 operates in a very specific pressure and pressure curve range because of how the action works. for reloads i've found that just about any 150 grain and 48.5 grains of IMR-4895 work very nicely.


That's the same load I use with 4895 and 150 grain bullets for my Garand.

The four powders I use in the Garand are RE-15, IMR 4895, Varget, and IMR 4064 - in that order of preference. Stick with 150 or 168 grain bullets and keep your loads in the lower of the upper third of velocities. (about 2750-2800 FPS for the 150 grainers and about 2650 for the 168 grainers - basic mil spec velocities.

The issue with the Garand is slow powders and heavy bullets which can bend the op-rod. I used to shoot Remington 150 Gr. "green box" Core-lokt ammo before I reloaded with no problems.


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Picked up guns and a Mauser v24 in honesdale - was going to call you but the m1 could be illegal in jersey with its fat donut eating gun grabbing commie governor.

Mike


Why, he's a "conservative Republican". He can't be a commie gun grabber!


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My 1903A3 produced its best results with handloads reproducing the contemporary .30 M Ball ballistics, i.e. 150 g bullet around 2700 ft"). My pet load is 150 SMK / N 140 / 50.0-51.0.


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In my M-1 Garand, I shoot 48 grains of IMR4895, and a 150 grain bullet. I shoot the same in my 1903'S and 1917 Enfield. 2700-2800fps. This is the standby load for the 06, at least military wise forever. The advice about corrosive primers is good to follow. If you do shoot it, and occasionally I do, I clean and oil the rifle right away. And if you are going to reload the brass, size and de-prime it, then wash in soapy water, dry and tumble and then load it. Jerry


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was going to call you but the m1 could be illegal in jersey with its fat donut eating gun grabbing commie governor.

I figured you were somewhere close...my Nerd Detector was going off all day long :-)
 
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In my M-1 Garand, I shoot 48 grains of IMR4895, and a 150 grain bullet. I shoot the same in my 1903'S and 1917 Enfield. 2700-2800fps. This is the standby load for the 06, at least military wise forever. The advice about corrosive primers is good to follow. If you do shoot it, and occasionally I do, I clean and oil the rifle right away. And if you are going to reload the brass, size and de-prime it, then wash in soapy water, dry and tumble and then load it. Jerry



This is pretty near the same load as I shoot from my M1- 47.5g IMR4895 + 150g SP. I use CCI 200 primers.

As said- if you shoot the old ammo with corrosive (I do) clean and oil right away.

Enjoy!


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Its a M24/47 not a V24 - but in very good condition.

The 1903 - is a Remington.

The M1 is a springfield armory.

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I've owned 11 Garands at one time or another, only have two remaining.

As others have said, DO NOT use a powder slower than 4064. Use a slow powder and you WILL bend your op rod.

THE powders for the 06 for use in a Garand is 4895 and 4064. (I prefer 4895 and the 168 gr bullet.)

Here is a useful link. Garand loads

Be Safe and have fun, a Garand is a great rifle! And you will find that what is good in the garand is also good in your 03.


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I've owned 11 Garands at one time or another, only have two remaining.

As others have said, DO NOT use a powder slower than 4064. Use a slow powder or a bullet heavier than 180 grains, and you WILL bend your op rod.

THE powders for the 06 for use in a Garand is 4895 and 4064. (I prefer 4895 and the 168 gr bullet.)

Here is a useful link. Garand loads

Be Safe and have fun, a Garand is a great rifle! And you will find that what is good in the garand is also good in your 03.


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