My interest is up in this caliber but? Where to find one? Pretty certain I can hunt down a CZ 550, but are there any other options other than a rebarrel job? I have had about zero (0) luck in finding any of these. Any suggestions?

Blazer rifles don't count, I don't want one if I find one.

schromf,hi....

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/ theres a tikka here.

tikka make them,as do j.p. sauer,lovely rifles.

or the old husquvarna's,theyre good too.

and naturally,mausers. hmm,theres a long list really.

cheers. zac.

I was looking for something a little closer to home, that didn't need to be imported. Its a option, but long and protracted and I would rahter avoid it if possible. Actually was checking on a rifle in Canada today, doesn't sound real good on the importing. Not impossible just difficult.

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Alf,

Nope just checked they don't import the 9.3x62 in the 202. That seems to be a common problem here is they just aren't importing the 9.3's.

I have been doing my homework for over a week on this an trust me it is pretty much the CZ550 or nothing. And I am keeping the CZ in reserve but I was hoping to find something a little nicer. I have a ace in the hole so to speak and that is rebarrel my ZKK 600 I just got. It was another ZKK 600 I was looking at from Canada today. If it was a Zk-47 it would be worth the effort, I am just not sure on a 600.

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I really like the CZ550 in the mannlicher, looks great, would like one in 9.3 I think. no need for it but it would be a cool gun to have.

Red

schromf,

here is my cz 550, I really like it and it shoots well, only 4 or 5 where imported into Australia. It is setup well with double cross bolts and a F style third lug on the barrel. I have just got it back from bedding at the smiths.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/pcarter/DSCN0036.jpg

The following rifle is a special order but might be another option to consider.....





It's a Dakota Model 97 with optional English Walnut in 9,3x62. Std it comes with a fiberglass stock. My buddy that traded it to me took it to Africa and made 22 1 shot kills with 250gr X bullets on Plains game up to and including Eland. I just hope I get to try and duplicate his results. I'm sure that Dakota would also make a 76 in 9,3 if you prefer a floorplate........DJ

Schromf:

You have a PM...

Last I heard the Sauer rifles jumped from about $1300 in 2004 to over $3000 USD. They are great shooters but that is over-valued by a goodly amount.
If you want a good, well built rifle and like the Mauser system, look for an early Husqvarna rifle in 93.x62. Should be less than $500.00 for a '98 based rifle and around $250 for one on a commercial '96 action.

Well just go buy a 270 or 30-06 and have a gunsmith fit a 9.3 barrel and chamber it to 9.3 x 62. That is the easiest way to do it. Sako is not going to inport 9.3's to the US. I wanted one for years. So I just took an 30-06 hand had one made up. Done. That Dakota 97 looks nice. I have a couple of Dakotas a 76 and a Number 10.

Obtaining a 9.3x62 is not difficult. You already know about the CZ-550, some Steyr-Mannlichers were imported in that caliber (I had two, one, a Luxus, is still for sale) then you may find a Mannlicher
-Schoenauer in 9.3x62 - very primo piece, as well as many Husqvarna's. Building one is also a realitively straight forward gunsmithing task. I have one made on a GI VZ-24 action with a Pac-Nor barrel, works great!
LLS

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Well just go buy a 270 or 30-06 and have a gunsmith fit a 9.3 barrel and chamber it to 9.3 x 62.

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This is the route I decided to do, I have set this in motion, probably take several months though to complete.

Schrompf,

I agreee with George Semmel. I also had a 9.3x62 made up on a Mauser action that was originally a .30/06 Sprg. There could hardly be an easier caliber conversion; install barrel, headspace and shoot. No new magazine, action work, nothing else involved.

Just do it.....with all the used Remington, Winchester, CZ and Mauser used rifles and actions floating around out there this is REALLY is a no-brainer.

You won't be sorry, I am a true 9.3x62 fan, it really works!

Gerry

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The 9.3x62mm is available in the CZ, Sauer, Blazer, Steyr, and then we have the out of production rifles that include Mannlicher-Schoenauer, Steyr-Mannlicher, Husqvarna, FN, Browning, Original Mauser, and a host of smaller firms. It is also a simple matter to have a custom rifle made on a standard Mauser 98 action, or a M700 or M70. I had a custom 9.3x62mm built on a VZ-24 eight years ago, and although it is not a pretty rifle, I did not mean for it to be so, it is a Very utilitarian rifle. All you need to do is approach a reputable gunsmith, and if you go basic, the custom price is reasonable, even vs the current commercial product,
LLS

I really don't see what everyone's obsession is with this caliber.
I have NEVER seen one in 30+ years in business.
I can see it as a european oddball caliber and not much else.
It seems to be like the European version of the 30-06 as far a recommendations and I'm guessing commonality goes.
Plus, in the United States, the are the slimmest of reloading bullets available, maybe like 4 or 5 from the major manufacturers.

If it were me, I wouldn't bother.
Why spend thousands of dollars on a gun that you really aren't going to be able to shoot much out of?

Just buy a big 358 ar 375 or something COMMON if you want a big bore.

There, I have vented enough.
This isn't directed at anyone in particular, it has just been bugging me for a long time.

-Spencer

Thousands of dollars? For a simple rebarrel? Nah, Spence, this is a snap and ammunition is readily availble. Not to mention that those "4 or 5 from the major manufacturers" happen to include some of the very best in the world.

I wasn't really referring to the post.
Sure, a rebarrel is pretty simple.

However, you say ammunition is easy to find.
I do not, and have not in 30 years been able to get a hold of any from my suppliers.
Bullet selection really is slim.
You can probably count on two hands, all the different varieties.

-Spencer

Sako chambers their Hunter model 75 in 9.3x62.

AVAILABLE CALIBERS FOR SAKO 75 HUNTER
Action size I: 222 Rem and 223 Rem
Action size III: 22-250 Rem, 243 Win, 7 mm-08 Rem, 308 Win
Action size SM: 270 Win Short Mag ja 300 Win Short Mag
Action size IV: 25-06 Rem, 6.5x55 SE, 270 Win, 7x64, 30-06, 9.3x62, 9,3x66

Spencer,

For NA you are right, fot the most part. Kind of overkill for whitetails and too much of a rainbow trajectory for serious western hunting. It is also marginal stuff for dangerous game in Africa.

I do have one in a CZ which I use for practice to duplicate the handling of a bigger caliber CZ, to reduce the amount of abuse.

In part, I think the 9.3 is just for fun as is the latest craze for the 404 Jeffery. I really only have a need for two rifles, but what the hell has that got to do with it?

Have your dealer call CZ USA...I did and got one with beautiful wood and a very smooth action. Great rifle and will print 286 gr Partitions in one ragged hole at 100...if I do my part. It's a great gun and round combo for most anything outside of the real big stuff...buff, etc....but then that's why they make doubles.

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I really don't see what everyone's obsession is with this caliber.

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Obsession? A lot of people love it because it works extremely well. Kills very well, Can carry 5 rounds in a normal magazine, accurate etc.

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I have NEVER seen one in 30+ years in business.

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Just because you live in a hole in the ground doesn't mean everyone does....
Maybe you need a more discerning clientel...

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Plus, in the United States, the are the slimmest of reloading bullets available, maybe like 4 or 5 from the major manufacturers.

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Nosler, Speer make both inexpensive and premium hunting bullets in this caliber, How many do you need? Hawk, Swift, Woodleigh, Norma and others are also available.

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Just buy a big 358 ar 375 or something COMMON if you want a big bore.

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If you ever go to Africa try and see how many boxes of 358 you'll see in any gunstore. The 9,3 is one of the more popular rounds there the 358 doesn't register.

In short Shop Cart, You need to broaden your horizons just a little bit and enjoy the shooting hobby. You just haven't lived until you've played with at least one 9,3!....... .........DJ

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My interest is up in this caliber but? Where to find one? Pretty certain I can hunt down a CZ 550, but are there any other options other than a rebarrel job? I have had about zero (0) luck in finding any of these. Any suggestions?

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I too have been eyeing this choice and it's serious competitor is the .375 H&h as they're rather close in performance. I've come close in making the decision to build one but haven't yet.....it seems every time I get close to it the reasoning why I should have one gets lost when I look at some of the .375s out there.

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Posting for Chris Bekker:

Spencer,

Whilst I grant you your preference for other cartridges and your colloquial views, I do not share your sentiments about the 9.3 x 62 mm being "a European oddball caliber and not much else" and that "it seems to be like the European version of the 30-06 ". This is taking an extremely dim view of the cartridge to say the least.

Many people, especially those that never hunted with a 9.3 x 62 mm will refer to this cartridge as a "donkey". The critics of the 9.3 typically say that the cartridge is too "pedestrian" for them, meaning they have already fallen pray to the "magnum mania" that is sweeping the States. The worst of cause is that these people show very little understanding of bullet performance. Bullet performance is what really counts and the modest velocity of the 9.3 assists greatly in this regard - see the attached 3 Rhino bullets (286 gr, 300 gr & 325 gr) and consider then the size of the hole that it would punch through heart of an animal. Little wonder it is so effective on big and tough animals like Cape Buffalo.

I for one prefer this "donkey" over many other cartridges for hunting larger antelope in bushveld conditions, as I know how this "donkey" can perform. Once you have hunted large game with a 9.3 you will understand how effective it is and that it much more gun than a 30-06. If one or two good hunting bullets are available, I do not see the need for having more bullets types to be available for a cartridge to attract a following. Quality and not quantity should be the basic premise. Both Woodleigh and Barnes-X bullets are available all over the USA and the rest of the world and they are not set to go out of business soon. Just in South Africa alone we have 3 premium grade bullets (Stewart, Claw and Rhino) giving sterling performance.

The fact that most metric calibers, including the 9.3, is not common in the USA, does not detract one bit from their virtues. On the contrary, many hunters in Africa and Scandinavia prefer a 9.3 over other cartridges, as it delivers a very good punch with 286 grain bullets at low recoil. The inference that it is not a common cartridge in the USA, seems to suggest that something must be in vogue to have any redeeming value. Imagine the Scandinavians use the same logic to knock the 30-06 Spr in an attempt to promote their local 6.5 x 55 mm Swede - odd hey?

The frequency of use is also not a valid argument to knock a particular cartridge, and nor the analogy that if you have a more common cartridge like a 358 or a 375 that you would shoot it more often. The frequency of use depends on other factors like how often you like to hunt as supported by hunting opportunities and the size of you bank account. In fairness, the 9.3 must be evaluated against the backdrop of its intended use to appreciate its ballistic balance and suitability. Also the unnecessary recoil of hot-loads in the 375 won't contribute to more frequent shooting. I shoot regularly 24 rounds off the bench with my 9.3 during a session and that is seldom seen with 375 owners.

I remain a defender of Otto Bock's cartridge - on further inspection you will discover its clever design features such as a lower operating pressure, long freebore, gentle throat angle, 1 in 14 twist rate combined with Mauser action that still features the best gas deflecting system to this day.
Just try it on your big game (Elk & Moose), you may be pleasantly surprised.
Chris

Mehulkamdar

Well said

Not popular in the States?? I shoot the 9.3 in 57, 62 and 64. If you reload, it doesn't get any better. By the way, my M46 Husky in 6.5x55 is my go to white tail rifle. I really like the metrics.

My Goodness! The opinions are coming out. I agree with Otto Bock and his original design to provide the farmers of early 20th century Africa with a rifle cartridge suitable for taking game for the pot and stopping dangerous game if need be, all in an affordable rifle. The 9.3x62mm has done that job supremely well for one hundred years. As to the availability of ammo, components, etc. you can purchase ammo and/or components thru your major mail order dealers in the USA. Brands include Lapua, RWS, Sellier & Beloit, Norma, Hirtenberger, and a new European supplier I saw recently at a gun show. Bullets are available from Norma, Nosler, Speer, Barnes, RWS, Woodleigh, Hawk... need I say more? Bullet weights run from 200 grains to 300 grains. As for users, I have a good friend in Oregon whose sole rifles are 9.3mms, which he has used exclusively for the past 10 years for Elk and Moose with annual success, and I hunted in Africa last year with two Californians who collected over 20 head of game between them using 9.3mm rifle. I would have been the third with a 9.3x62mm, but arthritis kicked in and stopped my heavy caliber shooting. Nope, the 9.3mm rifles are damned good, just not common in the USA, but just step out of the good ole USA and go to Africa or Europe and bingo, the 9.3mm appears.

LLS

Points well taken.
I've done my fair share of reading up on this cartridge and I will say, on paper it seems pretty cool.
I don't know, it has just always seemed to me that every other post on these forums are advice saying "Get a 9.3, its the only answer."

But I have still yet to see one come in my shop nor have I really been asked in 30 years so I guess I have yet to see first hand, its performance.

-Spencer

These aren't that oddball, Grafs sells new brass at a reasonable price, Nosler, Speer, Barnes, North Fork, Woodleigh, and others make bullets for the 9.3's. Rebarrel whatever .30-06 you can find and it'll work. It shoots flat enough, will shoot 250s at 2600 fps or 286's at just about 2500, plus recoil is light enough a semi-experienced teen ager will shoot it well. For general elk or African plains game hunting it is just about ideal, but not so big you feel stupid shooting a whiteail with it either.

A 9.3x62 loaded properly with a 24" barrel will shoot a 250 Nosler BT at the same speed and with about the same trajectory as a 308 shooting a 180 Nosler BT. At 300 yds, the 9.3 will deliver almost 2500 ft lbs with this bullet.

I've owned numerous 9.3x62s and all have been very accurate - most sub MOA, and often better with good loads. I'm currently building another on a 1952 model 70 action...

There are a number of extremely experienced rifleman and hunters on this site that consider the 9.3x62 the effective equivalent of the 375 H&H, with the bonuses of a bit less recoil, a standard action, and higher mag capacity. I know of and have read about any number of PHs who have taken literally hundreds of buff with the 9.3x62.

Bullet selection is plenty as most are premium bullets hunting styles, althought I wouldn't mind a 225-232gr Nosler PT. Norma, Lapua, S&B make ammo (among others) that is easy to find, though a bit pricey. Lapua brass is easy to find as well, and is of excellent quality.

If I were limited to hunting every game on the planet with one round, it would be a 24" barreled, CIP throated 9.3x62. JMO....

Just for reference, the ammo companies you mention aren't exactly the most ethical.
They sell through so-called 'wholesalers' who in turn sell direct to the public, and thusly destroy the gun industry.
You see gentlemen, once the retailer is cut out of the picture, where will you go to get a .50 cent part or a bottle of $2 oil?

The bottom line is, most of these companies are so far backwards, Norma especially, I mean the CEO can't even understand what the word 'wholesale' means, that they have no problem selling to Midway to make an extra couple bucks that they don't see the destruction they are causing in the process.

This is really why I am not able to get this stuff in my store.

By the way DJ,
I am very insulted that you liken me to someone who has their head in the ground.

I have probably one of the top 10 most well-stocked stores in the NATION with well over $1,000,000 of inventory (at COST, not RETAIL) so you tell me who has their GODDAMN HEAD IN THE GROUND.

Maybe you ought to 'broaden your horizons' as you so eloquently put it and see what you in turn are doing to the industry when you support these sleeze operations such as Midway, Graf's, Natchezz, MidSouth and others who cheat on their excise taxes and cheat the retail sector out of a decent living.

Why do you think retail stores close down as quickly as they open up, many times within a couple of years?
Because of guys like you DJ.

-Spencer

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Mehulkamdar

Well said

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MLG,

Thanks for the good words but the post is another member's, Chris Bekker from South Africa. For some reason he has not been able to post here after the forums were upgraded and I posted the pictures and opinion that he e-mailed me.

Good hunting!

Spencer, Maybe you've been in the business too long and lost your perspective. I buy Winchester, Remington, Federal, Hornaday as well as S&B from most of those places and anybody else who carries what I want. I bought a box of 243 Remington at WalMart tomight.
Friday I supported 2 local gunshops to the tune of a SAKO rifle and a Browning shotgun.
Times are changing my man and your merchandising best change with the times.
The American consumer will buy from whoever has the best price as a first choice and then consider service. Your prices better be good or your service exemplary or both or you'll learn the same lesson as ToysR Us.

My merchandising has changed.
I regularly do more business each day on the internet than I do in the store.
My problem is that I do not live in a shooting area.
Santa Ana California is hardly the sportsmens paradise, although it probably should be better.

I'm not gonna lie, my sales staff is less than outstanding, and I find that most of the good sales are made when I am in the front of the store.

But I just don't see new stores surviving anymore.

Which leads me to ask what is going to happen when I am gone and the other old stores go too.
Do we turn into a consumer society that is completely automated?

-Spencer

Spencer,

I doubt that retailers would go out of existence unless their prices are so widely off what the internet dealers are selling for that people get turned off. Call me old fashioned but I would like to see something in my hands when I plan on making a decision about putting good money down to buy it. Yes, a bad salesman or saleswoman could ruin a shopping experience but so could a crook seling on the net.

Best wishes and I hope that you do excellent business. Since I was a boy I have been going around gun shops and looking a lot more than buying - the old timers at P Orr and Sons and Hindustan Armoury in Madras used to love seeing a small boy ask all kinds of questions many decades ago and I have made friends in the US as well at gun shops where I buy ammunition and accessories from time to time. Wish I could buy more guns (who doesn't ) but I know that I would when I could afford it and I find something that I like. Gander Mountain and Scheels are the two stores in Appleton and Gander are the store I prefer to go to as they keep giving me good offers especially on some nice used guns that they have been getting as trades or in exchange for guns that they have sold. They seem to remember a small customer which Scheels don't seem to want to do.

Good hunting!

I sent you an email, I have a Brno m-21 in a 9.3x62 and it looks all original but it has been rebarreled with a Lothar walther barrel..

I have had it priced at $2750. but I just purchased a Hoffman in 10.75x68 and will take $1950 for my 9.3...You couldn't build one for that like this one...It shoots 1 inch and better.

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Spencer, Sorry if you take offense, I tried to use the Dancing Troll to indicate I was trying to be more funny than serious. But as far as Guns and Shooting go I think that just about anywhere in California is a hole in the ground, your State laws make the rest of us feel sorry for you.

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I have probably one of the top 10 most well-stocked stores in the NATION with well over $1,000,000 of inventory (at COST, not RETAIL) so you tell me who has their GODDAMN HEAD IN THE GROUND.

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While a $1,000,000 @ wholesale inventory is certainly above anything I personaly own, I seriously doubt that you are anywhere near the top 10 in the Nation. You would probably be the 3rd or 4th largest in just Oklahoma City. I was at the home of one of our larger private Gun Stores owners, they had a single sale last year that sold over $1,000,000 of their $6,000,000 inventory. Again I don't mean to suggest that your store is at all small or unimpressive but maybe you should check around the country a little more when you compare sizes.

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Maybe you ought to 'broaden your horizons' as you so eloquently put it and see what you in turn are doing to the industry when you support these sleeze operations such as Midway, Graf's, Natchezz, MidSouth and others who cheat on their excise taxes and cheat the retail sector out of a decent living.

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You say that you sell more on the internet than you do in your store. Are you cheating some other local store out of their living? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

The big National wholesalers really do serve a usefull purpose and one that relates to the 9,3x62. Since they are a National company they can afford to stock items in the rarer calibers that wouldn't be practical for a local store. The stuff that I buy from them is stuff that I can't get locally.

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Why do you think retail stores close down as quickly as they open up, many times within a couple of years?
Because of guys like you DJ.
-Spencer

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You really are making a fool of yourself with this last statement. I spent over $10,000 last year with local gun stores. I kinda think that they would like to have a few more like me.....

Sorry if I sound a little mean I know it's gotta be tough to try and make a living selling guns in California. Perhaps if you embrace some of the very marketing concepts you are castigating here you can survive and prosper in the new internet-market world...... .....DJ