I hear all of the wonderful things about a R93 and I am interested in a professional R93 in 300 win Mag. Is it capable of long range accurate hunting shots from 500 to 1000 meters?

Jim

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Originally posted by Singleshot03:
I hear all of the wonderful things about a R93 and I am interested in a professional R93 in 300 win Mag. Is it capable of long range accurate hunting shots from 500 to 1000 meters?

Jim

If you followed the previous thread you read and saw substantial evidence of sub-moa accuracy. I would say if you are capable then the rifle should do it's part. It should be as capable as any 300 Win Mag rifle with that level of accuracy.

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Originally posted by Bobster:

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Originally posted by Singleshot03:
I hear all of the wonderful things about a R93 and I am interested in a professional R93 in 300 win Mag. Is it capable of long range accurate hunting shots from 500 to 1000 meters?

If you followed the previous thread you read and saw substantial evidence of sub-moa accuracy. I would say if you are capable then the rifle should do it's part. It should be as capable as any 300 Win Mag rifle with that level of accuracy.

Bobster

That is an excellent answer to the question.

I have personally only shot my R-93 out to 200 yards, and that was with my 9.3x62. I was pleasantly surprised. My first 3 shot grouping was right at 2 inches, and my second was closer to 1.5 inches. I shoot my Blaser a lot, but where I hunt, I don't have any call for shots past 100-150 yards and just don't practice long range.

Here is some long range shooting I have done with a Blaser R 93.

Ond day when checking the zero of my 300 Win Mag [standard hunting barrel], we were shooting steel targets at 425 and 535 yards.

Ond of the guys drove down to repaing the targets. He put out a 12oz can of coke at 400 yards [he had to walk in 25 yards to paing the target.

When he got back he said, see if you can hit that coke.

I dialed my scope to 400 yards and hit it with the first shot with a Federal 200gr Trophy Bonded Bearclaw. I was shooting prone off of a pack.

Another time I had bought a 300 Mag barrel for my wife from Aleko when I was driving to LA. I borrowed a scope in Blaser mounts form a buddy and shot it at 100 yards. Barrel shot good.

Then I went to Idaho and was shooting with some buddies. I had that same scope with me. They had a metal chest sized target at 700 yards. I cranked the scope up to 700 yards and hit it on the first shot.

With a 308 Tracker and a 4x scope I fired one shot at a javillina at 412 yards, DRT.

Once I was teaching a Sniper Rifle school out of state.

Some of the guys wanted to see my Blaser, it was a standard hunting barreled 308.

So I opened the takedown case, put the rifle together, put the scope on the rifle, loaded the mag, set the scope for 800 yards, put in 1.5 minutes of left wind, and then hit the metal target, standard IPSC size with the 3 rounds in the Mag.

Another time I was testing Sniper rifles with my buddy in LA.

He had a brand new 308 Match barrel and a Safari synthentic stock.

We mounted a scoe and sighted it in at 100 yards, then dialed the scope to 300 yards.

We shot the gun 4 days in a row. We fired @60 to 80 rounds a day, as we shot at 100,200,300yards on paper and steel, and 385 on steel. On paper at 300 yards the rifle never shot a 3 shot group over 1.5 inches.

Out of the 12 to 14 different rifles [all custom bolt rifles, except one SR 25 we fired durring that test, there was only one that would even come close.

My standard 308 hunting barrel with a 2.5 to 8x scope never shot over 2.25 inches at 300 yards.

N E 450 No2 you have convinced me

Like the others have said using the blaser for long range shooting/hunting is going to be a function of the operator.

Thanks for your advice.

Jim

In culling operations of red deer , my longest shot with my R 93 in 300 Win .Mag. was 550 meters , using handloads of 200 grs.Sierra BTSP . Seen my budy made a first shot kill at 650 meters with his R93 in 300 WM. and 180 grs.My scope was a Leupold VX lll 3.5-10 mildot. My friend´s , a S&B 3-12 plex 9. Regular shots were at 250 to 500 meters. Later I switched to a barrel in 8x68S , that I keep to this day.
Pulki.

In 300 RUM out of an R93 I would shoot tennis balls at 350 placed on a saw horse using only a sand bag for the fore end and I'm a lousy shot compared to some.(factory ammo)

I had to sell my R93 due to economic concerns...but I have that barrel for sale at a very attractive price (IMO) here in the classifieds....PM me if you want.

I took a 5 hour drive to Cabelas today in Michigan and they had two R-93s. I really liked them the bolt was quick and easy to work and it handled well. They did not have a professional model that I was interested or caliber but the one they had in 270 was tempting.

I spotted this, hopefully the link will work for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...SjsY&feature=related

caorach, thanks for sharing that video. Quite impressive shooting a clay pigeon from 800 = to 1000 years.

I was really impressed with the handling of the Blaser and that video left no doubt to the accuracy of the rifle in the right hands.

Thanks again,

NE 450, what scopes do you have on your Blaser barrels?
Peter

On the 308 Tracker, I have a Doctor Optic, A Swarovski 4x ZFM with a Ballistic Cam, and a S&B 1.5/6x42, Illuminated reticle.

On the standard 308 barrel I have a Leupold Mk4,
2.5/8, Illuiminated TMR reticle, with the BC.

On the 300 Win Mag I have a Leupold Mk4 3.5/10 M3, Mildot reticle with BC.

I shot two red foxes in AK at 350 to 375 yards with the 300 as well.

I like a scope with a BC for my long range guns, on my more regular hunting guns I like Swarovski, S&B, Zeiss and Kahles.

Blaser barrels are good. I've yet to encounter an out-of-the-Box barrel (set-up correctly; remember the Saddle Mount w/a good, solid scope) that has not shot excellently with good ammunition from the Get-Go. Then again, I'm a real Savage & T/C fan, too and their rifles have also shot very well Outa-da-Box when set-up correctly & fed appropriate ammunition, too - BUT Day-In/Day-Out, not as good as Blaser's - just my $0.02's worth of experience. I just shot the R93 .223 Remington standard configuration barrel w/6-24X scope on the weekend with S&B ammuniton given to me - resulted in +2" groups; my handloads went right back to One Ragged Hole - GIGO.

On last summer's Namibia hunt we took 2 Blaser R93's, one with a current production Professional synthetic & and an older model OffRoad synthetic. The Professional w/barrel combo in .300 Win Mag/.243Winchester and the older OffRoad in .375H&H/.243 Winchester. All the R93 barrels were standard configuration (no Attachés or Match) w/sights (European configuration). The only modification the each of the synthetic stocks was to additionally install a second forearm stud for Harris Bipods (the 27" version oustanding for sitting position to get above the grass/rocks/lay-of-the-land).

We used the .243 Winchesters with Zeiss 12x & Leupold 20X variables for Springbok culling (headshots) at what I certainly consider extended range(s). While I'm not gonna go into the gory details of what the pinging results were from our rangefinders before stroking the triggers; invariably all 4 Hunters ended up using the R93 .243 Winchesters for about 95% of the culling. With appropriate handloads and sighting-in (POI=300 meters) each barrel was shooting right at about .5 MOA. Hitting grapefruit sized targets at those extended ranges was pretty impressive especially when adhering to the PH's experienced & expert wind-doping advice.

While I took the .375H&H barrel for Oryx and Zebra (a long poke itself). Yes, 300+ meters is just about the edge of my personal envelope to deliver a one-shot kill (others can do it better, I'm sure). The Blaser R93 combined with my skill set did very well under those conditions.

For the hunting done there, my take-away was that an R93 .300 Winchester Magnum & .243 Winchester combo W/16X glass was just about optimal for the long-g-g shooting involved. Only better (read=more of a Good Thing) combo in Blaser's R93 catridge selection could be .257 & 300 Weatherby Magnums; 'cept if you have an ammunition crisis the .243 Winchester & .300 Winchester Magnum are available almost everywhere there; the exotic Weatherby's sadly not. I could also envision a .308 Winchester & .338 Winchester Magnum w/tailored ammunition for a similar situation, too. The 300 RUM even MORE of a Much-o-Better-Thing but the R93's in standard hunting attire are a light platform & the barrel too short for that Atomic-Rocket-Launcher. While I'm leaning towards the 300 Weatherby; deep in my heart I know utility will prevail and a R93 300 Winchester Magnum will be one of the barrels that next accompanies me to Namibia. It simply compliments an already solid all-round package IMO.

Does this mean that the same could not have been achieved with a similar Remchester chambering/scope/rifle combination; Well, Nah. Any reasonably accurate rifle tuned with good ammunition woulda gotten the same results.

Were the R93 rifles capable of this - Hell Yes, but also included the ease of travel with a smaller Gun Case, the super quick barrel & scope interchangability for whatever suited the current situation was a plus IMO. Yes, you could do it with any two rifles appropriately tuned but we managed with one.

Lastly, Blaser chambers their heavy Match barrels for the usual line-up of suspects; .222 & .223 Remington and several other accurate chamberings but standing out there in Left-Field all alone at the end of their chambering options is the .300 Winchester Magnum - guess Why?

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Originally posted by Singleshot03:
I hear all of the wonderful things about a R93 and I am interested in a professional R93 in 300 win Mag. Is it capable of long range accurate hunting shots from 500 to 1000 meters?

Jim

The other option in Blaser for the 500m -1000m shooting is the TACII model in 300wm or 338lm. You can just change the barrel for the 500m to 1600m.
The ANZACs are using the Blaser 338LM in Afghanistan to support the diggers there.
There are reports going around of the best group size being 2.25" at 1600 meters why training with Factory Lapua ammo.

Thanks NE, I have Zeiss Conquests (3-9x40's) on my 375H&H, 300WM and a Burris on my 7mmRM. I plan on experimenting at ranges up to 600 yards, just for grins, so that I have some idea of what kind of adjustments I need to make at the longer ranges.
Peter.