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Who's a 358 Win shooter...
19 June 2021, 19:55
Mike_DettorreWho's a 358 Win shooter...
and what rifle is it and what is your load - case, powder, and bullet as well as its primary query.
Mine was a BLR using W-W cases a Nosler 225 partition and a max load of H4895.
Thinking about getting another one...
Mike
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 June 2021, 20:57
Uncle GrinchI’ve got a military FN that I had built close to 30 years ago in 358 Win. It sports a 20 inch barrel with a receiver peep sight and sits in a Bishop Classic stock. I think it’s a great Georgia woods deer and hog rifle. My primary loads are 220 grain cast bullets loaded to 1900 FPS.
19 June 2021, 21:43
jeffeossoi've had or built about a dozen .. my remaining 2 are one built heavy on an 1903 and one build VERY light on a '36
i don't recall the formula, but i used the winchester 250gr bullet load of 748 behind sierra games kings .. all my rifle like that load..
I'm a big fan of the big bullet-slow to medium velocity calibers. I finally settled on a 338 Federal, giving me just a bit more range than the 358.
19 June 2021, 22:08
Brian CanadaBrno ZKK 601. with 20" barrel, pop up receiver aperture sight, 358 Win. 160gr. CEB Maximus bullet at 2,750fps.
IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class.
19 June 2021, 22:47
Mike_DettorreI have no idea what you are talking about
Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
Just wanted to see if you were on line.
20 June 2021, 01:33
Grenadierquote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Mine was a BLR ...Thinking about getting another one...
Been there, done that. I've owned two BLRs in 358 Win. I really liked the first one but it was a bit of a hard kicker in the straight-stocked BLR so I sold it. Many years later I thought I'd give the 358 another try. So, I bought another straight-stocked BLR in that caliber. I took it hunting and it did well on deer (Portugal) but it still kicked too much for my liking in that rifle. If I was to ever get another 358 Win it would be in a full-length bolt rifle or maybe an AR10.
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20 June 2021, 04:18
theback40I have a Savage 99A in 358. I found AA2015 with a 250 grn bullet to be my favorite load.
I need to pick up a set of chambering reamers I know of for sale, just in case I need another sometime!
I have a Hawkeye in 358 win.
it has only ever shot 250gr. cast bullets on top of 50grs. of RL-19 giving me right at 2350 fps.
that's as fast as a jacketed bullet will go in that rifle so I'm out nothing.
20 June 2021, 17:22
Jgrabow6493Pre 81 BLR in 358 win. I'm loading 225 gr Woodleighs in W-W Super cases using WLR primers and 40 grains of H4198 at an OAL of 2.795".
Jim
20 June 2021, 22:17
Magnum Hunter1Does 356 Winchester count??
21 June 2021, 00:34
JohnlyPre-64 M88 Winchester. I "needed" it to finish my M88 collection, and it only has taken paper targets and steel plates so far.
I shoot the 230 gr. Saeco cast GC bullet sized .360 using 40.0 of IMR 7383 for plinking and the 200 gr. Nosler AB pushed with 47 gr. of IMR3031 Fed 210 at 2568 fps for my hunting load when that time arrives.
John in Oregon
21 June 2021, 02:59
BuglemintodayShot one in a Savage 99 and really liked it. But I think a BLR in one would be perfect. Especially if it was a take down model
"Let me start off with two words: Made in America"
21 June 2021, 03:55
HipshootCustom .358 Win. Mark X action, Douglas barrel, Mc Millan stock. M70 2 position safety. 2-7 Leupold.
48 gr. Imr 3031 200 gr. Rem. or Hornady
48 gr. Imr 3031 225 gr. Sierra or Nosler Part.
54 gr. WW 748 225 gr. Sierra or Nosler Part.
53 gr. ww 748 250 gr. Speer Spr. (REALLY HOT 2400 fps. plus!
Hip
21 June 2021, 20:26
Joe DeanI am. Most all is with cast bullets of 150 to 250 grains utilizing Unique, SR-4759, or 4895 powder.
BLR 1980 vintage:
Model 70:
BLR Lightweight Stainless T/D:
21 June 2021, 20:45
Joe DeanMy plinking loads are a cast 150 grain bullet powered with 10 grains of Unique. Old model BLR and Model 70 gets 40.5 grains of 4895 with a custom 225 gr. cast bullet for deer. BLR T/D is fed 23 grains of SR-4759/Lyman 358318 HP cast for deer.
I have taken elk with 48 grains of BLc #2 with 250 Speer and W/T deer with Sierra 225 usually with 48 grains of H-335.
A lovely cartridge to load for most of my cases have .308 or Lake City headstamps and a very few have the correct headstamp.
21 June 2021, 23:43
Brian CanadaI think that the 356 Win. should be included, it's basically a rimmed 358. It's a nifty cartridge for my TC Encore.
IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class.
22 June 2021, 00:36
Mike_DettorreAbsolutely, not - no 356 Wins, how dare you appropriate my post. I am offended
Isn't everybody offended by everything these days...LoL.
Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
22 June 2021, 04:42
HipshootMike---I feel offended that you feel offended !
Hip
22 June 2021, 05:05
Mike_Dettorre
Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
23 June 2021, 03:53
p dog shooterHad a custom 98 in 358win for awhile wasn't very accurate.
The velocities were nothing to write home about.
One of the few guns I sold and did not want back
23 June 2021, 18:12
Jgrabow6493quote:
Had a custom 98 in 358win for awhile wasn't very accurate.
Custom, or bubba'd?
Jim
24 June 2021, 00:36
customboltMike,
No .358's here. Just some food for thought about caliber.
Spomer
Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can.
24 June 2021, 02:28
Dr. LouI have two rifles in .358 Win
Savage 99 Brush Gun
Winchester Classic Featherweight with Pacnor bbl and McMillan Stock
I primarily use RL15 and IMR4320, but have used Trail Boss(pistol bullets), TAC, Benchmark, H335, and others.
For bullets I use an assortment of 158 gr .357 mag bullets (plinking), 200 gr Hornady FTX, Nosler 225 NBT and 225 gr SGK.
All work well, but it seems my "go to" hunting load is 225 SGK over IMR4320.
****************
NRA Life Benefactor Member
24 June 2021, 03:50
p dog shooterquote:
Originally posted by Jgrabow6493:
quote:
Had a custom 98 in 358win for awhile wasn't very accurate.
Custom, or bubba'd?
Well it had nice syt stock Timmy trigger after market barrel of unk maker. Drilled and tapped and bent bolt handle. Leupold scope mounts and rings. Bluing looked good
Head space was right no trouble feeding extracting.
Every thing looked well done I saw no signed it was put together by bubba.
Was it a high end custom done by one of the high end makers. Most likely not.
But it looked well put together.
28 June 2021, 05:07
Duckhunter39208My 358 Win is a T/C Encore with a custom MGM barrel. This was to comply with the "primitive weapon" rules in my state. I shoot 180 and 200 grain bullets in it and like it so well I use it during the regular deer seasons. One of two rifles that I have shot "mickey mouse ears" at 100 yards
28 June 2021, 22:11
AtkinsonI had two over the years in a Savage mod. 99F(circa 1950 models)...Nice short range deer rifle and saddle gun..but prefered the .308 for my needs....
I used a book starting load in my 99s of WW-748 and IMR-4064, killed well, a modern 348 Win in sheeps clothing!!
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
29 June 2021, 04:45
Biggs300Mine is a Ruger Hawkeye stainless/synthetic stock. Other than the floated barrel, it's bone stock. It prefers Sierra 225gr GK's over Ramshot TAC. I've taken a couple of deer with it and it is a hammer inside 200 yards or so.
Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty.
04 July 2021, 06:10
308SakoIt's been more than 40 years since I fell in love with this cartridge. At the time my go to was the Hornady 250 grain round nose soft point. Maximum load of H335 because I was young and foolish. Hunting at the time in New York's Adirondack and Catskill mountains. Rifle was a tang safety Ruger 77 which wasn't the most accurate but short ranges made it immaterial. That was the 1970's, then in the 1980's along came a Ruger #1 in .357 mag, soon rechambered to .357 Maximum, and then again to .358 Winchester. Killed my best Maine black bear with that rig sporting one of the early Aimpoint optics. Never regretted my time spent with the 358, still have brass dies and bullets...
Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now!
DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set.
04 July 2021, 15:29
SpooksarA Winchester model 88, Savage 99, BLR and a costum Weatherby Vangard. The Vanguard has been my go to rifle the last few years
Member NRA, NFA,CSSA,DSC,SCI,AFGA
04 July 2021, 19:36
Blacktail53My rebored SAKO.358win - 225gr Nosler and Sierra do all I need. Max load of W748.
Elk, it's what's for dinner..
04 July 2021, 21:03
Mike_DettorreBlacktail 53,
Nice set up!
Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
06 August 2021, 23:53
BuglemintodayNice rifle and nice elk Blacktail53!!!
"Let me start off with two words: Made in America"
15 August 2021, 00:16
AtkinsonIts a great caliber in the Savage 99, Win.88 and 100, and the BLR, but in a bolt gun I much prefer the 35 Whelan in std or IMP version..The 358 was designed for short actions and shinned in the above, but a long action is wasted on that caliber IMO...
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
15 August 2021, 04:37
HipshootRay is right! I had one built in the 70's when the Whelen was still a wildcat. And I love it! If I were to do it again that is what I would chamber it for .35 Whelen or AI.
No more sweat , but better ballistics!
Hip
15 August 2021, 22:05
Bill/OregonAlways been curious about the .358, but the closest I have come has been .35 Remington in a Model 8 and .35-30 Winchester in a Model 94.
There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t.
– John Green, author
15 August 2021, 22:57
Blacktail53You guys are right. The 35 Whelen is better suited to the long action bolt guns over the .358.
In a short action bolt gun or one of the Savage or Browning lever guns, the .358 really shines!
I only have two loads for mine and they're both wrapped around 225gr bullets.... Nosler PT and Sierra's SPBT share the same load of W748.
It's an efficient round, capable of longer range kills than most will give it credit for.
I had a big herd of Roosevelt elk come out of a cut onto an open hillside. They split into two groups. They knew we were around, just not where and were trying to find us. An old cow separated from the rest and I held on her spine. She went about 30 feet after the shot - Sierra 225gr SPBT double lunged her and was found in the off side shoulder. I lased it then, out of curiosity-257yds
Most of the rest of my elk kills with that rifle have been much closer and typically on the move. Exactly what the .358 excels at.
Any (most) rifles chambered for a .308 class of cartridge can be rebored pretty easily to make an interesting thumper for just a little money.
My SAKO carbine was originally chambered to the .243 - an odd combination in my view... For about $200 I had it rebored and it's been a favorite ever since.
Elk, it's what's for dinner..
16 August 2021, 00:57
Mike_DettorreA 225 grain slug out of a 358 win is still travelling over 1800 fps and delivering over 1650+ ft lbs at 310 yards.
92% of my kills have been inside of 300 yards.
Knowing your actual trajectory is more important than what the trajectory is.
Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.