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I have a model 70 in 300wsm that I’m going to restock and rebarell. I am thinking about going to 7mmwsm. Anyone have any experience with either round. I will probally have bill country do all the work. I already have a d’Arcy Echols stock for this project any and all opinions are welcomed. I have no experience with either round. Thanks for all input | ||
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Johnny red, living in SD and having numerous big game tags available, I own and hunt with a .257 Weatherby, .264 Win Mag, 270 Win, 270 Weatherby Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, 308 Win, 30-06 Spring, 300 Weatherby Mag, 300 Win Mag and a 300 WSM. However, when I want one rifle/caliber that I am supremely confident with, I grab my Remington 700 in 300 WSM. Besides the game in SD, I have also taken it to Africa on three different occasions where it killed animals as small as a grysbok to a huge eland. The 300 WSM with Barnes bullets does everything I need it to do. I hope that helps.... | |||
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Thanks for the reply. Just need to make my mind up with keeping it a 300wsm or go to a 7mmwsm. It will a hunting rifle and shooting steel at to about 1000 yards. Suggestions are welcome on who to have build also. | |||
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I just bought a new in box Rem 700 XCR2 in 300 wsm. Dropped it into a McMillan I had from before. Nice rifle however it won't extract or eject Remington brass. Fine with federal or Winchester. The case head on the Remington brass is slightly smaller. Kinda dissapointing as I haven't even shot it yet... My gunsmith doesn't have good luck with replacing these extractors and prefers to install a Sako type, which I would rather not | |||
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friend had a Rem Model 7 in .300 SAUM....it was frought with flaws and I rebarreled it to .300 WSM....since then it shoots quite well.....after I also glass baded it.... I haven't incurred the problem you described but for my thinking these days, I'm done with anything Remington except the older ones. As to the sako extractor.....I'd just sell the gun....trade it for a good one....Howa makes a fine gun....also the Wnchesters are fne....Vanguard is also a fine gun. I have a Remington 721 that still dhoots fine and if it needs a new extractor, I'll spring for the sako style.....mostly because I think this gun is worth it..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I'd take a Remington that doesn't eject over a howa any day. Haha. Almost.  The Remington rim measures 0.528 The Winchester measures 0.534 Spec is 0.535 I'm not giving up that easy. | |||
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IMHO bigger is better. 30's will leave better blood trails, frequently 7mm's don't leave much of a trail. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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Any comments on keeping it a 300 wsm or changing to 7mm wsm? | |||
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300 wsm brass and loaded rounds are easier to find when compared to a 7wsm, which in my view is a dying cartridge | |||
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I agree. FWIW: Nosler uses the 300WSM to test its 30 cal bullets at magnum velocities, as they believe it is the most accurate magnum 30. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I would definitely keep it a 300 wsm. Huge huge selection of bullets from all manufactures. Yes they are plenty of 7mm but the selection of 30 cal bullets is just crazy. Bigger selection of factory ammo. I can think of no downside to keeping it a 300 wsm and no upside to re-barreling it 7mm wsm. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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What bullet is everyone using for there 300wsm. I want to shoot some of the different bulletsfrom 178-200. Use will be hunting and steel out to 1000yards. I will have the barrel throated for the longer vlds | |||
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Dead cartridge. 270 WSM and the 300WSM are the only cartridges that I would buy in the WSM line. | |||
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Johnny, I would consider... Berger 175-200 Nosler AB 180 & 190 LR AB Barness TTSXs in 180 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I've had 6 or 7 300 WSM's, my current is an M70 Extreme Weather and might just well be the most accurate factory rifle I've ever owned. I've taken everything from antelope to elk with it, 50-550 yards. It just works. A 180 gr Partition, Accubond, or whatever at 3,000 fps is a lot of rifle. If you want less recoil, drop down in bullet weight. I've also had the 270 WSM, and shot/worked with the 7mm WSM. The 300 WSM is a world cartridge, the other two are definitely not. Personally I'd keep it a 300 WSM if I were just after a do-it-all, go-everywhere rifle. If I wanted something with less recoil and superb LR potential, while still being a solid BG hunting round, I'd bypass the 7mm WSM and go right to the 6.5mm PRC.  | |||
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The WSMs came about form the benchresters and wildcatters that declare the short fat cartridges are more accurate than the standards..IMO that's BS, mostly its the barrel that makes a rifle accurate.. Ive never seen the need for short fat rounds in the hunting field, if I wanted the balistices of a 300 WSM I put less powder in a 30-338, 300 Win. or 300 H&H or even a 300 Wby..Same with the .338 calibers..For those who have already squandered their hard earned dollars on a advertising campaign all I can say is   Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Lots of shooters (especially old farts with lots of real world experience) tend to scoff at the “short-fat” cartridge concept, and their reasoning is usually correct. You might save a few ounces and a half inch in overall rifle length, but there is no tangible improvement in a basic hunting rifle. A competitive target shooter might see a match winning difference in accuracy, and a big difference in case life, case prep, etc, over the old belted dinosaur rounds. However, I think it’s important to point out that the O.P. has a 300 WSM in hand and is asking for advise in how to implement it in the field, so comparisons here to the old standbye’s, as good as they are, won’t help him. (BTW, the 300WSM has the same case capacity as the 300 H&H)Johnny, you said all opinions are welcome and that you have no experience with the 300 WSM. My opinion is that you should get lots of trigger time with your load of choice, and try your best to NOT have to shoot at an Elk at 600 yards. I’ve shot coyotes and prairie dogs at 600 yards, but It’s not a distance I would feel ethically comfortable shooting at big game. We all rationalize things for ourselves and make our own choices. For me it comes down to learning to “hunt” as well as learning to “shoot”. Good luck!  Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I've killed animals all over the world with the 300 WSM. Just in Africa alone, I've taken giraffe, eland, zebra, wildebeest, etc., etc., on down to the little critters with it. For me, the 300 WSM with 180 grain Accubonds or Trophy Bondeds is the cat's meow.  MY new favorite 300 WSM is the Winchester Model 70 in Extreme Weather. | |||
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Do u reload? If not 300 WSM would have an advantage, ammo is more plentiful. 7mm WSM will shoot flatter at long ranges and will recoil a little less. Also holds a drop more powder. If you reload go 7mm WSM. | |||
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I use 180 Partitions in my 300WSM. I intended to load 180 AccuBonds, but my particular rifle shot the Partitions better. Great cartridge that can cover an awful lot of scenarios very well. | |||
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I drank the WSM kool aid when they first came out. Had a chamber finish reamer before any factory rifles made the scene. Built two 300WSMs and when CZ offered the Montana 99 in their CZ3 bought one of them too! Tried every imaginable load..killed a few elk and a couple deer, but never shot the bugholes that my old Remington A3 300 Win mag did. Was glad I kept it! That half inch extra bolt travel ain't nuthin, specially when your blood is up! Done with the cartridge of the month club. Try and find brass for some of these prima donnas. I would be one of those old farts with lots of real world experience | |||
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Les, Sounds like more of a testament to the particular rifle than the cartridge. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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In all honesty, the 7WSM is the least favoured of the 3. Also, forming brass for it from either the 270/300WSM brass is fraught with problems since the shoulder is .050” further forward. If it were me, I’d leave it as is and shoot it with a good premium like the 180/200gr Accubond. I played with a buddies 300WSM working up loads, it was the a Model 70 EW with 24” barrel IIRC. Could not get the same accuracy as my 300WM in the same type rifle. Best it could do was a tad under MOA, which is fine for hunting. Cheers. | |||
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Lots of ifs, but if I had a larger caliber for bigger game, and if I were a reloader, and if I could find a lifetime supply of 7mm WSM brass, then I would make the switch. The 7mm is the best long range caliber in my opinion, and the WSM has a good capacity for the caliber. On the other hand, if I didn't reload, and/or didn't have anything larger, I'd go with the 300. A 300 magnum has proven to be the best all-around cartridge for game that you can find, and even more so now with so many premium bullets on the market. | |||
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Many good points made here. We each have our own opinion. I personally love 7mm and 6.5mm BC and the animals I hunt in Arizona are usually long range (over 400 yards). When I can get closer I do. That being said, if you reload and can stock pile a bunch of 7 wsm brass, that is what I personally would do. I have a 270 WSM and absolutely love it. It is a tack driver with handloads, factory will barely stay on paper. I load for my hunting partner and he has a 300 WSM. He loves his and has killed everything from coyotes to Elk with it. You cannot go wrong with either caliber in my opinion. | |||
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Any of the calibers in question are good big game calibers, didn't mean some would work and some would not.. The 300 WSM in reloading won't touch a 300 H&H from a ballistic view when handloading, only the 300 Wby an up will do that..Spent too many hours at the bench with the H&H, and in the hunting field..but in the field no one could tell the difference on game shot. All calibers mentioned are good, BUT my point is why spend money just to get a different caliber in that every caliber mentioned is very close to equal balisticly and on game...a 300 Wsm to a 7 WSM? c'mon no animal can tell any difference nor can the shooter. I would keep the 300WSM and buy bullets or ammo and practice off hand shooting.. To really improve any of these mention calibers in the real world one would need to go to a 375 H&H or larger IMO..nothing beats accurate field shooting. I have tried to tell the difference in killing effect with proper bullet placement betwiin many caliber like the .338, 9.3x62 & 64, 375 H&H and several wildcats, a bullet in the shoulder give one the same results, a dead animal, how far an animal runs after the shot is of no meaning, it just happens with every caliber, you get instant kills and runs..Ive had Impala run over a 100 yards shot with the largest of calibers. The only plus Ive seen with the real big bores is you get some awesome blood trails, that's a good thing. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I was disappointed with my first 300 WSM, in that it didn't come anywhere near my Wins, Weatherbys and RUM. That one was just plagued with a slow barrel, and being a Tupperware Tikka it was easy to let it go. A bit of time went by, and in a inspired moment realized that I was looking at the whole thing wrong. While it didn't match the Win and up, it ran circles around the .308 which I should have been comparing it to in the first place. Armed with the creative perspective a .300 WSM housed in a Kimber Select Grade followed me home. This one would at least match .300 Win factory loads with handloads and kicks dthe crap out of that other short 30. The 7 WSM would probably be a better 1000 yard steel basher. It's hard to beat a seven for that. For hunting you might not notice any difference. | |||
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That's simply untrue... With the right powders, the 300 WSM will push a 180 at 3,000 fps+ from a 24" barrel. That certainly is close to the H&H. In the WSM I run a 180 at 3,035 with RL17. It's easy to get 3,065+ but I run it a bit slower. | |||
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Some manufactures offer more selection in 7mm than .308. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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The 7mm-08 was originally a wildcat derived for long range silhouette shooting As the range increases, the higher BC of the typical 7mm bullet will carry more energy than a .308 bullet of similar weight. The last time I looked, Sierra offered a wider section of 7mm than .308. The only real downside is brass, but by leaving a false shoulder on 300 WSM cases for fire forming, that can be solved. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I have both a 7mm WSM (Winchester Extreme Weather) and 2 300 WSM's (Sako Tecomate and Remington 700). With the problem finding brass for the 7 WSM I would keep it a 300 WSM. | |||
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Can you find a WSM-anything in Tanzania? Or Botswana?  You can still buy 300 Mag ammo - or .375H&H ammo, for that matter - in any of those places. As Ray noted above, other than for the Bench-Rest crowd, the .300 WSM is over-hyped here and likely unfindable across the pond. Possibly in Alaska too, but folks haul a lot of weird shit up to AK, so some resident outfitter might keep a pricey stash of it around the lodge just in case his client's ammo box gets 'lost' by the airlines. All The Best ... | |||
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Swampshooter's right, even though our family loves 270s. When you focus on this long enough you end up with a 338. It usually what's inside 400 yards that counts. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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