I am goint to test the following powders in my 22 inch barreld 30,06. Its a pre 64 featherweight with a 2.5X8 VX3 Leupold on it.
I will shoot 2 three shot groups with each load. All other componants will be 150 grain speer flat base, remington once fired brass,
Federal 210 match primers and coal will be 3.25. Ill post the results as soon as I get a chance to shoot. Probably be the weekend after christmas. I will try 64 grs RL-22 also but the poll screen only gives 5 spots...tj3006

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I am goint to test the following powders in my 22 inch barreld 30,06. Its a pre 64 featherweight with a 2.5X8 VX3 Leupold on it.
I will shoot 2 three shot groups with each load. All other componants will be 150 grain speer flat base, remington once fired brass,
Federal 210 match primers and coal will be 3.25. Ill post the results as soon as I get a chance to shoot. Probably be the weekend after christmas. I will try 64 grs RL-22 also but the poll screen only gives 5 spots...tj3006

Choices:
H-414 60 grs
H-4350 62 grs
IMR-4064 52 grs
IMR-4350 59 grs
RL-19 62 grs

 

4064 will give best accuracy, but I would use 50 grs

I would have bet on IMR 4895 had it been a choice.

I changed to IMR4350. And I could see a difference in 2nd shot. Had to make a hole then the 2nd went right next to it at 200 yds. 150 gr bullet.

I picked IMR 4350. It also works great in my .338 WM.

No one can possibly know which powder will provide the best accuracy in your rifle.Anyone that thinks they do,really doesn't understand reloading all that well.The only way to determine which load will shoot most accurately in your gun ,is to try them and let your gun tell you which load it prefers.

stubble is correct, plus, two groups w/ one load/one bullet isn't going to tell you much. But if I was guessing, H4350 & start playing.

i picked 4350, over the past 30 years I have used it almost exclusively in 30/06 loads for not only the 150 gr but also 165 and 180 gr. this is for 4 differebt rifles. 59, 57, and 55 grains respectively. Other powders in different rifles will most likely produce similar results but for my rifles it works.

Just for the heck of it, when you measure those groups, will you also report back which load put the first shot in each group closest to your point of aim?

As previously suggested IMR 4350 has been an old time favorite for the '06 and has worked very well for me in several different rifles.

Mark

Thanks for all the replies !
i am aware that there is no way to predict witch would be most accurate. I just thought it would be kind of fun.To see what peoples prdictions would be. I am also aware that this is not going to be a diffinitive test.
I am going to make up a target with 2 bullseyes for each load, and shoot 3 rounds at each. Then i will see witch powder shoots the best group, and witch powder gives me the best avarage for 2 groups. Its quite likly that i will pull at least 1 shot of the 36 in the test and I will let you know if i do. I will be shooting at an excelent range with concrete benches, and sand bags. My main purpose with this rifle test is to find out witch powders appear to give the best accuracy in my model 70
with 150 grain bullets. My bet is IMR 4064 and RL-22. I will use the data to pick 2 powders for further testing. I will use 150 grain bullets for deer and plinking. I will do a similer test with 165 grain bullets for bigger game like caribu.
if you have a better test method please share it ! ...tj3006

I shoot a pre 64 m70 and use 50gr/4064 with Sierra 165gr SBT with one hole accuracy.

I can think of no reason at all to believe any of these powders will be "most" accurate in YOUR rifle.

Every rifle is an individual, but 4064 is THE powder to use for accuracy in a 30-06, 4895 is next. YMMV

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
...I am going to make up a target with 2 bullseyes for each load, and shoot 3 rounds at each. Then i will see witch powder shoots the best group, and witch powder gives me the best avarage for 2 groups...

Hey TJ, Somehow I thought I saw the actual Loads you intend to try posted on this thread. Did you edit them out, or was I looking at a different thread and have the two confused?

The reason I'm asking is because if you just "randomly pick" a load for a specific Powder and Bullet, you have a 1/180 chance that you will hit a worthwhile Harmonic. Might do fine, but I believe the odds will be working against you.

As a recommendation, take your Manuals, look to see which Powders provide the highest Velocity at a SAFE Pressure and load a series of cartridges at different weights of that Powder.

Search on the Creighton Audette method over on Reloading and you will see what I'm talking about.

You might hit a fine Harmonic using the Random Pick, but your potential to do better is by using an established Load Development Method.

Best of luck to you.

Hot core. i think i understand your point, but these ara all fairly near max for a 150 grain bullet. call me crazy if you want but I have no use for reduced loads. I expect to be able to find out witch powders are likly to be best with high velocity loads. If I can get MOA and 2900 FPS with any of the loads I listed i will be happy. mabye the powder charge weight was edited out, but it was on there. When i set up the poll witch was just for fun I figure most guys will vote for what works for them.
...tj3006

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Originally posted by stubblejumper:
No one can possibly know which powder will provide the best accuracy in your rifle.Anyone that thinks they do,really doesn't understand reloading all that well.The only way to determine which load will shoot most accurately in your gun ,is to try them and let your gun tell you which load it prefers.

stubbie, You're starting to sound like a broken record.

I've tried the IMR4350, 7/8" groups consistantly. Went to Varget,(50.5grs.) which is for the most part the same burn rate as IMR4064, Varget was a little more accurate, .607" avg.
So, I think IMR4064 will give you the best accuracy.
Pretty much everything one reads today regarding the 06 and well, lets just say about all the bullets from 125-190, give the nod to 4064, Varget and RE15, or as I call them, the triplets, but not totally identical. Use one of these powders for the 150s, they'll work, best.
And I know just enough about reloading to make me dangerous. Jay

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
Hot core. i think i understand your point, but these ara all fairly near max for a 150 grain bullet.

Hey TJ, They may be near MAX for your rifle or may not be. There is a low probability of you getting hurt with that approach, but each rifle is different.

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call me crazy if you want but I have no use for reduced loads.

I'm not talking about Reduced Loads, talking about your being able to find an "Accurate Load" using a Method that lets you know quickly if you are wasting your time or not with a specific Powder/Bullet combination.

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I expect to be able to find out witch powders are likly to be best with high velocity loads. If I can get MOA and 2900 FPS with any of the loads I listed i will be happy...

If it works for you - great. Just keep looking for obvious Pressure Indicators as you do the shooting.

If for some reason you don't find a Load you are happy with, or if the Load you select as the Best-of-the-Lot shoots OK one day and bad the next, you can always drop back to the Load Development Method.

Best of luck to you.

I am not trying to sound like a no it all here but published load data for the 30,06 is kept at lower preasure levels than other rounds like the 270. My 1st rifle was a 30,06 witch i bought in 1979. I have loaded for at least 10 of them in my life and loaded lots of rounds for each one. I have never blown a single primer in an 06. While anything is posible if any of the loads i am going to shoot even show signs of high preasure I will amazed.
in a modern rifle the 7X57 mauser and .257 roberts are similer rounds. I start at the max listed load in both of those rounds and work up from there. ...tj3006

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Originally posted by stubblejumper:
No one can possibly know which powder will provide the best accuracy in your rifle.Anyone that thinks they do,really doesn't understand reloading all that well.The only way to determine which load will shoot most accurately in your gun ,is to try them and let your gun tell you which load it prefers.

This is your answer.

The first thing needed to know is ? what is the twist inside your barrel ? Then you will know what grain bullets to buy to start your testing 30 Claibers come 1:10/1:12/1:14 what does your barrel have ?

I don't know what twist my old model 70 has.
I am aware that a faster twist will stabalize heay bullets better. I am also aware that ther is know way topredict wirch powder will shoot best, But i thought it just might be fun to see what people thought was the best bet...tj3006

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
I don't know what twist my old model 70 has.
I am aware that a faster twist will stabalize heay bullets better. I am also aware that ther is know way topredict wirch powder will shoot best, But i thought it just might be fun to see what people thought was the best bet...tj3006

Model 70s have 1 in 10 twist. Jay

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
I am not trying to sound like a no it all here but published load data for the 30,06 is kept at lower preasure levels than other rounds like the 270. ..

Hey TJ, That is an excellent point.

Only thing is it has noting at all to do with hitting the Harmonic correctly. By using the "Random Load Selection" Method, you have a 1/180 chance of accidentally getting the most accurate load for each Powder you try.

Let us know how well the groups do.

I am not seeking the most acurate load with each powder. i am seeking th best hunting load. If I get moa it is acurate enough. I will not reduce powder charge if i can get Moa give or take .125 or so.
I realize the loads I am testing are near max and may or may not be very acurate in my rifle. If none shoot near MOA, I will try some other Powders. My goal for this test is to narrow my powder choice to about 2.
Again for hunting with a 150 grain load in my 06, as far as I am concerned, any thing that aproaches MOA and 2900 FPS is fine...tj3006

It often amuses me when we go into all of these discussions that seem to follow their tail and go nowhere and people seem to get hot under the collar at cross purposes.
It would be a far more interesting proposition to take a round from each loading and put them into a bag and give it a shake. Then put up a target at say 150paces and shoot the whole bloody lot off and see what sort of group your rifle will print with ANY sort of ammo.
Roughly chalk out the dimensions of a deer sized kill area on the ground and put the target group onto it. The resultant group will kill with any of the rounds. Now go and shoot the gun instead of playing about with theory.
Good hunting

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
I am not seeking the most acurate load with each powder. ...

Hey TJ, I get it now.

I'd seen a few people mention "accuracy wasn't all that important" in the past, just didn't sink in that was the situation.

That being the situation, it sounds like your Plan will do just fine for you.

Best of luck on the Loads.