Tis buck was 200 yards out, bullet entered the left shoulder and exited the right side ribs





The next Buck was facing me and the bullet entered the neck near the chest and took out 5 ribs, shattered the hip and exited....Awsome and a DRT

Nice job, John! Those are some nice bucks! Didn't you recover a TSX on one of your animals? I thought you did...... Can you post a picture of it? 300 win mag, right? What weight TSX?

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What's Not To Like About TSX ?

Obviously, NOTHING!!

Way to go, nice deer.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Nice job, John! Those are some nice bucks! Didn't you recover a TSX on one of your animals? I thought you did...... Can you post a picture of it? 300 win mag, right? What weight TSX?

I did recover one 180 grain TSX the shot was nearly identical to the shot on the above buck, but farther away a little over 300 yards and the bullet took out the ribs and shattered the hip and was found just before the hide in the ham....
Here you go...

Is there anybody here with first hand experience with these bullets penciling?

I'm considering to use Accubonds next year just for peace of mind.

Sure can,t complain about there ability to take game.
I aint real happy about paying 30.00 bucks a box though.
For smaller calibers they are cheaper , and i took a mule deer with one a couple years ago.
But with a bigger cartridge like to 300 win I should think and 180 gr bullet will do a deer just fine.
That said , I prety much allways use whitchever bullet shoots best from a given rifle when I go deer hunting. And the tsx,s shoot great...tj3006

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Originally posted by 900 SS:
Is there anybody here with first hand experience with these bullets penciling?

900 SS, I have. In both cases the animal died and was recovered, so many have countered with 'how did the bullet fail then?' My response is that an arrow with a field point that punctures both lungs or the heart can kill a deer, but that isn't appropriate to use and have an expectaion of a clean efficient kill. A bullet that pencils through without expansion is the same IMO.

Point being is, I have had several TSX's leave caliber sized entries and exits, and the animals did not die rapidly. There was minimal internal damage, and despite thorough searching, there was zero eviedence of any 'shed petals'.

In subsequent testing in small calibers of the TSX (sub .277 cal) in wet phone books, I have noticed that if the hollow tip is peened over on these bullets, they often fail to expand. I have seen others speculate that a bit of hide or meat might plug the hollow point similarly and limit or prevent expansion. I believe this is a reasonable speculation. I think the new tipped TSX may be a superb iteration of this bullet, as it will eliminate this issue.

Despite a few sketchy experiences, I still use the TSX's quite a bit. I make CERTAIN the tips are clean and fully open, no peening over on the tips whatsoever, and have had good success with them. These bullets are VERY accurate IME. One thing often not mentioned is that TSX's are long for weight bullets. Sometimes that is problematic, as they are designed to be seated well off the lands, and with shorter OAL's the deeper seated, longer bullets can encroach on powder space a good bit.

As to the Accubonds, I am a big fan, I use them a lot, have taken a boatload of critteres with them, and they have performed flawlessly. My hunting group just took 9 animals in Kansas, including 3 LARGE whitetails, at yardages from 40 yards to 360 some yards, with textbook performance. Notably, this included several coyotes at very close range, where the bullet expanded well, but very controllably, leaving 50 cent size exit wounds, these all with .277 bullets.

I think both bullets are great, but I would pay close attention to the tips on TSX's, or just go the AB's--they both will work!

jwp475,
great buck,great shot,great bullet,
thanks 4 posting
regards

Nice Deer!

TSX bullets shoot well for me. My only complaint is related to their BC's.....which now, more honestly stated, are not great.

So, practice at distances you plan to shoot and watch velocity there for good opening.

Cheers,

Dan

Dan H, how far do you shoot at animals? the BC really doesn't come into play much until you get out a ways.

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Originally posted by jwp475:

WOW!! that was one tough ant to stop that bullet and make it mushroom like that.

LOL DOC! I just noticed that


Man I guess the TSX failed to enter the chest cavity of that ant! It did however expand which makes me believe that the bullet was so ill constructed that it couldn't enter the shell of the ant

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You may be onto something there with the peened or closed hollow point thing, I have never had one not blow a hell of a hole and drop game. I do remember someone saying they had hunted for a whole safari, topping off the mag. and some of the bottom ones were almost closed from battering in the magazine. That could explain the occasional one not expanding. I have used them in .257-.375 calibers with sudden kills the rule.

TSX are the only bullets I reload. That being said, I am very disappointed in the last two deer I've shot with them. The deer below was shot at 100 yards and it was a perfect double lung shot. No blood trail. All we found was literally a thimble full of lung at the impact site and exactly two drops of blood in the brush. One of these was against a bush where he rubbed up against. The deer traveled 40 yards into the brush where we killed his friend. The second deer I shot saturday was a cull 7 pointer, perfect double lung, No blood trail at all, but his chest was just one big red mess. Still scratching my head.





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Originally posted by Buglemintoday:
LOL DOC! I just noticed that


Man I guess the TSX failed to enter the chest cavity of that ant! It did however expand which makes me believe that the bullet was so ill constructed that it couldn't enter the shell of the ant

That was the first thing I noticed. The bullet only penetrated the ant's head. What a crappy bullet!

Bullets aside, how many of you guys got a bit of the willy's looking at the snake picture?

Them things are just plain yucky!

FMC, well done on the appropriate treatment of the bird dog killer.

I thought they using the snake rattlers to rattle the deer up!

TSX even work well on smaller bodied game

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Originally posted by im_paid_to_kill:
Dan H, how far do you shoot at animals? the BC really doesn't come into play much until you get out a ways.

In terms of velocity loss, the higher the velocity the higher the drag, and thus the velocity loss. So BC has its biggest impact on velocity loss right off the muzzle. I ran the numbers for a 180 grain Partition at 2700 fps MV; velocity loss was 187, 180, 173, and 165 fps from 0-100 yds, 100-200, etc.

Think of the BC and range as the "bridge" between MV and impact velocity. If you need X fps impact velocity for reliable expansion at range Y, higher MV means higher recoil and possibly higher pressures. Only a higher BC is "free" in the sense of chamber pressure and recoil.

I've never shot anything beyond an elk at 320 yds, and most things were much closer....so you are correct, BC isn't that important for most hunting applications.

My complaint is more about Barnes making such a big deal in the past about how their longer bullets had such high BC's making them superior long range hunting bullets, etc, etc,......but now the changes that make the TSX an excellent hunting bullet pretty much void their prior claims--and Barnes was very slow, IMO, to admit that.

Cheers,

Dan

I used a 180 TSX from a 300 Win to take an Antelope at 777 yards, Seems the BC is adequate

See detiails here


http://precisionlongrangehunter.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7011083821/m/9911043131

just-a-hunter -- I'm glad you posted those photos. I have a friend who experienced similar results recently. The TSXs did a lot of damage.

Again, John, nice bucks!

JWP475--

Nice long range shooting!

What rifle did you get that goat with?

How far are you able to shoot in practice? I have a hard time getting a range past 300 yards.....

Cheers,

Dan

At the time that I took the goat I was working in El Paso and I would shoot regularly at the Ft. Bliss Rifle Range out to 1000 meters.. About 600 is as far as I have been able to pratice lately....

Dan H, i got cha now and agree with you.

Couch, i'm familiar with BC. i do some long range shooting like JWP. got a groundhog at 1030 this year.

Well my last kill made with my 9.3x64 B . Was a red fox @ I think 60 feet the 250 gr TSX loads I had chronographed @ 2730 fps avg vel I think the load was .. It may have been doing 2750 mv ..The carcass showed signs the bullet expanded,.,,.,I wish it hadn,t ......If I want a fast expanding bullet they are a dime a dozen I buy X bullets because they penatrate , DEEPLY .....

Whats not to like? too much penetration on deer size game. Exit holes are nice but I don't care for them zinging around my stock.

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Originally posted by rickt300:
Whats not to like? too much penetration on deer size game. Exit holes are nice but I don't care for them zinging around my stock.

Isn't that a possibility with any decent bullet on deer anyway?

Yeah it is a possibility but with say a medium to light Hornady Interlok deer bullet the energy retained after penetration won't compare to the energy an TSX carries thru. Even a Partition does a lot more in the ever after than a Ballistic Tip or Speer Hotcor. Actually I consider the TSX more an elk bullet than a deer bullet.

If I had to pick a good reliable bullet on deer that I did not want to pass through, it would be the Speer HotCore. I've not used them in some years but I took quite a few deer with them and none passed through but they killed the deer on the spot. I saved them for a few years, then I think the wife tossed them.

My most memorable was when I killed a big 9pt in north MO with my 270/150 Speer spitzer at ~ 130 yards. He fell right there but I found the bullet in his offside ribs.

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Originally posted by jwp475:
I used a 180 TSX from a 300 Win to take an Antelope at 777 yards, Seems the BC is adequate

See detiails here


http://precisionlongrangehunter.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7011083821/m/9911043131

Interesting question, why were you even shooting at an animal at that distance? It's called hunting, not snipering!

The barnes X and TSX bullets are just bad ju-ju for me. I cant get them to work consistantly for me. Had good hits pencil through, found after LOOOONG tracking and searching. One deer not found until the following day. I'll never use them anymore, Nosler solidbase ( not ballistic tip) and hornady's work for light animals like deer. I'll use partitions or woodlieghs if I need a premium.

this weekend shot a nice buck 200lbs and scored 161,shot him with a 280 with a 140 federal prem tsx, he was slightly turned bullet went in left shoulder and broke both and exited great hole dead on the spot also shot a spike facing me at a little angle went in at left shoulder exited in front of right ham dead deer. i have shot close to 30 animals with tsx bullets and have never had them do anything but kill quickly and do massive damage inside

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3411043/m/150108667

Thanks Just a Hunter/Doc:

I like those Red and Pink Barnes GO GO bullets the best, they look very well constructed, High BC and SD if you ask me! Nice red tips with sleek pink tails! Ha.

They look like the energizer bunny, just keep going and going and going!

they are easy on the eyes huh...

What about the MRX bullets then? Do they solve the problem of penciling? and does the added BC mean anything when shooting less then 300 yards?

I would think so. There's no doubt that the MRX is a great design. But it is my opinion that it is a bullet designed for the toughest of game and the difficult shots.

The TSX is a very good premium bullet with an obvious "Achilles" heal- as reported by many here on AR. Now that Barnes has decided to fabricate the bullets with a much larger hollow point and cap it with an expansion enhancing tip, I do not forsee any "failures" on a regular basis except high velocity petal shearing. Even when that occurs, that just tells me that the bullet hit the vitals HARD. It also means the bullet fully mushroomed somewhere in the path of the vitals so there will be much tissue destruction anyway.

Here is an interesting link with pictures, I love how the MRX's core surged forward and helped expansion, while still retaining so much weight. With the core doing that, even if you lost a petal it isn't a big deal. Seeing it next so some TSXs that were shot the same way really made me like the MRX.

Well here is the actual link I was talking about and forgot to post, sorry.
http://forums.basspro.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002304

The MRX looks like it will be a heck of a bullet. I also much prefer the frontal area of the bullets in the pics to the TSX's.