What does everybody think of this gun? Is it a good gun for the money? Does the scope junk?

I have fired two 710s and both were fairly accurate.However the actions were so rough that I had to take the gun from my shoulder to cycle the bolt.The 700sps and the stevens 200 are much better choices for a low cost rifle.

I would avoid them like the plague. The barrels are not screwed in the receiver. They are pressed in. Too many other rifles out there for just a little more money.

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Originally posted by 30378:
I would avoid them like the plague. The barrels are not screwed in the receiver. They are pressed in. Too many other rifles out there for just a little more money.

Absolutely right. The 710 has to be one of the worst rifle designs ever. The SPS would be the better choice.

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Originally posted by 30378:
I would avoid them like the plague. The barrels are not screwed in the receiver. They are pressed in. Too many other rifles out there for just a little more money.

Considering the way the bolt locks into the forged-as-one-piece-with-the-barrel barrel extension the fact that the barrel is pressed into the receiver is nearly irrelevant....
It's not like the BOLT is locking to the receiver and the barrel is a press fit only.
When the bolt is locked into the barrel the barrel isn't going anywhere....

It would seem that many are suggesting by inference that the barrel may "un-Press" itself
from the receiver leading to disaster...

On a 710 the receiver is a metal tube that's a convienient place to attach the stock, mag box, etc.... it is like the receiver of a pump shotgun, the bolt locks to the barrel, the receiver really only holds the pieces in the same neighborhood when the action is open.

It's far more of a utility tool than a handcrafted precision implement.

Yes, it's also ugly as hell.

But they do work.

Do I like it? No.
Do I recommend it? No.

I agree if you want an inexpensive rifle a Savage 110series or a Stevens 200 is a better deal even if you have to buy a scope seperatly.

AllanD

A good friend of mine bought one a while back, took it hunting twice and sold it again to buy a Stevens 200. They're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but definitly a tool.

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Originally posted by Logan:
What does everybody think of this gun? Is it a good gun for the money? Does the scope junk?

IT'S JUNK! Your can't rebarrel one. You get what you pay for to a degree. You could buy a used good rifle for near the price and have a rebarrelable rifle. Oh and have you heard about the 710 recall? "Now you've heard the rest of the story".

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On a 710 the receiver is a metal tube that's a convienient place to attach the stock, mag box, etc.... it is like the receiver of a pump shotgun, the bolt locks to the barrel, the receiver really only holds the pieces in the same neighborhood when the action is open

But since the scope is attatched to the receiver,any movement at all between the receiver and barrel will cause a change in point of impact or in accuracy.

You've got your answers already from other savy folks.

Avoid it and get yourself one of the Stevens or Savage rifles.

Mark D

I remain convinced that there are people who couldn't shoot a 1" group even if they were firing a rifle down a 1/2" pipe from a machine rest and for those people a Remington 710 is probably adequate.

BTW, typical retail price on a Stevens200 around here is about $260

The stevens 200LA is available in 25-06, 270Win 25-06 30-06Sprg with 22" barrels, and 7mmRemMag & 300WinMag with a 24" barrel.

Buying a Remington 710 makes no sense when the Stevens 200 is considered as an alternative.

AllanD

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Originally posted by Logan:
What does everybody think of this gun? Is it a good gun for the money? Does the scope junk?

It's a great jack-handle and emergency boat oar. Calling it a gun is false advertising. Get a Stevens, Savage or Vanguard.

Regarding the scope, I generally assume all scopes on package guns are crap. I buy the packages for rings and bases and upgrade the scope later.

ZM

I have a Remington 710 in 30-06. It is a 1.5 MOA rifle with a variety of factory loads, but likes Federal 165 grains the best. It is heavy, the bolt and safety are stiff, and the low-grade Bushnell 3-9x and rings are, well, low-grade.

Is it a functional rifle? Yes.
Is it a best buy in an inexpensive hunting rifle? No.

I think that a Stevens 200 is a better value in an entry grade hunting rifle, but a 710 will do the job if the guy behind the trigger does his. If I was going to put together an economy grade package, I'd recommend a Stevens 200, Weaver style bases/rings, and a Bushnell Trophy or Nikon ProStaff scope. You could probably do that for between $400 and $500.

Jeff

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But since the scope is attatched to the receiver,any movement at all between the receiver and barrel will cause a change in point of impact or in accuracy.[/QUOTE]

Theoretically true but if the manufacturing tolerances are correct it simply won't happen. It is exactly the same as a Sauer 202 without the ability to loosen the receiver and change barrels.

It is sound from an engineering standpoint but I'm not prepared to defend Remington's QA or execution of the concept.

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Theoretically true but if the manufacturing tolerances are correct it simply won't happen. It is exactly the same as a Sauer 202 without the ability to loosen the receiver and change barrels.

It is sound from an engineering standpoint but I'm not prepared to defend Remington's QA or execution of the concept.

Exactly my point.The sauer is made to higher tolerances and you have the ability to tighten the receiver so you know that the fit is correct.With the remington,you hope the fit is correct.

Manufacturing tolerances in the firearms industry are measured in 1/1000" increments and the QC process is proven. A poor American made rifle is the exception, not the norm, so I think that you'd be just as likely find a Remington 700 with a misaligned barrel as you would a 710.

Jeff

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Manufacturing tolerances in the firearms industry are measured in 1/1000" increments and the QC process is proven. A poor American made rifle is the exception, not the norm, so I think that you'd be just as likely find a Remington 700 with a misaligned barrel as you would a 710.

The difference is that it is easily corrected on a 700.

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Originally posted by 260remguy:
Manufacturing tolerances in the firearms industry are measured in 1/1000" increments and the QC process is proven. A poor American made rifle is the exception, not the norm, so I think that you'd be just as likely find a Remington 700 with a misaligned barrel as you would a 710.

Jeff

Jeff quality machining is not in one thousands of inches but 10 thousands of inches. But I don't have much doubt that you have hit on the standard. Ask yourself this question why would you have to true an action when you get it rebarreled? Because the factory actions are not built to a high enough standard. We have lots of equipment with the ability to build much higher quality at very little added cost in the long run. Yep it's all about money and Winchester lost the game and may soon have company.

I have only owned 1 Remington 710 and have only shot 1 other Remington 710. Both Remington 710s that I have shot, shoot better groups than 90%+ of the "average" deer hunters who I have seen shoot, can shoot.

IMO, 1/1000" or 1/10,000" doesn't really matter unless you are a competative shooter who can squeeze more than 90% of the factory level of performance out of a rifle. I have dozens of hunting rifles with Remington 7, 78, 600, 660, 700, and 722 actions, none of which have needed to be trued. Truing actions is gunsmithing what nitrogen is to tire dealers, a high profit make-up of marginal benefit to 90%+ of the buyers.

Jeff

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Originally posted by 260remguy:
I have only owned 1 Remington 710 and have only shot 1 other Remington 710. Both Remington 710s that I have shot, shoot better groups than 90%+ of the "average" deer hunters who I have seen shoot, can shoot.

IMO, 1/1000" or 1/10,000" doesn't really matter unless you are a competative shooter who can squeeze more than 90% of the factory level of performance out of a rifle. I have dozens of hunting rifles with Remington 7, 78, 600, 660, 700, and 722 actions, none of which have needed to be trued. Truing actions is gunsmithing what nitrogen is to tire dealers, a high profit make-up of marginal benefit to 90%+ of the buyers.

Jeff

I always love it when tire dealers selling performance tires to "Ricers" offer (for an extra charge) to fill the tires with dry nitrogen....

Want to know what cracks me up most about that?
I used to work for CART, and Watchingthe various teams? Mostly they didn't bother running nitrogen in the tires of Champ cars!

atleast not on the road or Temp. Street circuits and even the short ovals...

SOME teams only "bother" on the big ovals
(Michigan and when they ran there Pocono), so why would it be of benefit to a street car?

Of course the last year I worked the races was 1992, but if Only Penske, Rahal and Hass
had their teams doing it at every track
why would it matter on some kid's "HonDuh"

What was that alleged P.T.Barnum quote?

AllanD

I would buy a Tikka T3. In terms of fit & finish they eclipse any other rifle in the same price range in terms of fit & finish.

They are bedded, floated, come with an excellent adjustable trigger and shoot like the clappers out the box. (Any other T3 owner will confirm this!)

And don't be put off by the synthetic detachable mag - they are very strong.

MLG
Tikkas are great for the money, no doubt. Have you looked at a Vanguard with the better synthetic stock? I'd be intersted to hear if they are any better than the Tikka.

Mikelravy

The vanguards are definately a good rifle and if a Monte Carlo stock is better suited then that is a big plus.

Also it does not have a plastic mag althought that does not worry me in the least - in fact I have come to like them on the T3.

One area I believe the T3 is better is the trigger. Its easily adjustable and I believe the Vanguard is not and there is a technique to it.

The Vanguard is available in the 257 Weatherby and 300 Weatherby - 2 good popular calibers the T3 is not available in.

I saw a new Vanguard at our range (223) shoot a very small 5 shot group with handloads but no mods to the rifle - so they do shoot.

The Vanguard is definately a good alternative and I guess its down to what you prefer but neither would be a bad choice.

MLG
Thanks for the information. I am in the market for an inexpensive starter rifle / loaner and these two seem to be the prime contenders.