call me old fasion, ok I am almost 64, so you might just want to call me old. But I just can't seem to use monos, or even polytips in my 7x57, I mainly use Partitions. I use BTs in my 280 and split BTs and PTs in my 30-06, but just can't use them in my classic. Are there any other traditionalist out there? capt david

I'm with you!
In my 6,5x55, 30-06, 8x57JRS, 9,3x62/64 and 404J I use only traditional lead core, bonded bullets. Mainly from Woodleigh and Norma.
I doesn't seem right to put an all-copper bullet in the 100 year old cartridges imo

Have never felt the need for higher velocity or harder bullets for my hunting, neither in Africa nor here in Norway.

M

captdavid,
Although I use a lot of CEB bullets now, I still use a lot of cup-and-core and nosler partitions. My son has a friend who always wants me to load 165gr Hornady spire points for him. Got a lot of animals with that.
In .243, I use 90 and 95gr bullets for my antelope hunts. Went to Africa two years ago and used the 210gr Nosler partitions on a Namibian plains game hunt.

I'm with ya ...kinda hard to beat the classic look of the lead round nose bullet.

7x57 and the 160gn Woodleigh PP is a good recipe and like has been said the traditional bullets are better suited to this grand old cartridge.

I like the 155 Lapua Mega or 140 Partition in my 6.5x55.

Gentlemen, what manufacturers produced ‘bonded core’ and ‘partition style’ bullets at the turn of the 20th century? Or even within the first 15 years of the 20th century?

If you can’t identify any then you must limit your bullets to non-bonded/non-partition traditional cup and core bullets or you’re not really using traditional bullets with your traditional caliber rifles… Just saying…

And personally I really don’t care as I intend to use the most accurate best performing bullets in my rifles regardless of their construction.

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Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid"
John Wayne

And John Wayne should know better than anyone. roger

Damn... Roger, You've been in Cali too long.

Here's what my .30-06 loaded with a classic Sierra 180 RN did to a roedeer's heart at 170 meters.

What more should I expect ?

I very much like the following traditional bullets.
220 Grain Hornday RN .308
160 Grain Hornday RN .264
275 Grain Speer RN .338
250 Grain Hornday RN .358
Then really Traditional!
280 Grain Lyman Cast RN .359
All of them shoot and kill big game very well and yes I enjoy the look of the RN.
Best regards,

Capt' Dave,

Yo, I use the modern monos as I'm legally required to in certain hunting areas but those are usually applications for long(er) opportunities such as a 300 Witherbee or 25-06 Remington, etc., so they have their place in the Grand Scheme-of-Things.

For the vast majority of my hunting I don't require all the Flash & Bang of either high-velocity cartridges or premium bullets; most of my cartridges work just great with the vanilla-flavored stuff; usually R.N.s, Spire Points, Interlocks, etc.

There's a place for all of it and I've the luxury of selecting the appropriate bullet/cartridge/rifle/scope combo for the Task at Hand and Yeah, that's the way I load 'em, too. The fast steppers get the modern, vogue, botique bullets and the standard vanilla-flavored get the mundane, ole fashioned stuff - just seems to work best that way .....

.... and Yes, my Blaser K95 in 7x57R delivers all I've ever required with Hornady 154 gr. R.N.s.

captdavid, just to stir things up, your 7x57 is an original mauser too, right? Just checking to see if you put a classic cartridge in a 'modern' rifle and why, using your logic? Just funnin'.

I still like Corelocts.

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Originally posted by captdavid:
call me old fasion, ok I am almost 64, so you might just want to call me old. Are there any other traditionalist out there? capt david

You've got me by a few years, I was a freshman when you graduated. I use Sierra Prohunter bullets for the most part. I'm not hunting anything bigger than deer and black bear here in the Catskill Mtns.

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Originally posted by captdavid:
Are there any other traditionalist out there? capt david

Oh yea! Even moreso as the cost of components keep on skyrocketing. When it comes right down to it, IMO there is no need for premium bullets IF the proper cup and core is applied. And if you are talking dangerous game, (which I am not) then solids do just fine.

With that being said, I do like accubonds, sort of. But for me, the bottom line is dead is dead.

Seems like the "preimum bullet" craze was a direct result of "magnum mania". Been there, done that, not much use for either one anymore. I guess Im gettin old too.

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Originally posted by captdavid:
call me old fasion, ok I am almost 64, so you might just want to call me old. But I just can't seem to use monos, or even polytips in my 7x57, I mainly use Partitions. I use BTs in my 280 and split BTs and PTs in my 30-06, but just can't use them in my classic. Are there any other traditionalist out there? capt david

I'll be 71 next month and I'm old enough to remember when I stared reloading we have very limited choices on bullets.

I like the choices we have today and I can still load the Rem Core-Lokt. I took my 4x4 buck just below timberline last hunting season with 140gr TSX in a 270.

I remember problem with those first BT from Nosler and over time they did improve them. I think we have the best of both new and old and I sure like my new diesel truck over my old one.

An interesting outlook that would suggest we'd all be better off with black powder, rounds balls, 1950 Ford with flatheads, no seat belts and a ditributor with point. (Be 71 this May).

Cup and core bullets work fine for 95% of hunters in 95 % of situations. Mono metal bullets are for that other 5% of 5%. I use them for big game as they penetrate better, you can use lighter (faster) bullets and they are accurate.

have a 99R in 300 savage that edges 3000 fps with 130 TSX, a 400 Whelen that loves my hoard of 325/350 old style Xs and a weird 25-06 Browning that came with a 1 in 13 twist and will only shoot varmint weight bullets. It love the new 80 gr TTSX edging 4000 fps. All these rifle and bullets are one shot killers from any angle and are very destructive (which is the objective for a clean fast kill). With the exception of the Browning, a quality cup and core would almost always work as well. I'm happy to pay twice as much for bullets to avoid the "almost".
Your money your choice.

As for Diesel truck .... the 12 valve 2nd generation Dodge Cummins was the best ever .... wish I had mine back as it had no electronics and would survive an EMP.

My 01' Cummins is a good truck but all the new ones (regardless of maker) cost more than my first TWO houses, two need urea, all get lousy mileage and all are so complex many dealers can't even service them.



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When it comes right down to it, IMO there is no need for premium bullets...

I can't believe that thinking gun owners are arguing about "need". You only "need" a handful of firearms to meet every reasonable use - but where's the fun in that? BTW, most gun owners don't "need" an MSR either, just ask Senator Feinstein....

Geeze, so many are trying to rationalize their use of a particular bullet type. Bottom line - who cares. Use what you want, not what others think you "need".


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I still like Corelocts

Yepp me too. I have a shelf full of the latest and greatest and some have never even been opened.

I have loaded standard type bullets since I began loading under my pop at around 8yrs old. Now some 40 years later I still reach for the bulk CL's more than anything. I have simply found that my rifles will shoot them just as accurately as the Nosler and for about half the price. In fact in my newest build a 25-06 AI with the fancy 28" Broughton 5C barrel I can drop the 120gr Rem into around a 1" group at 300yds pretty easily, stepping them out there at around 3300fps. The best thing about them is they work just as well at 20yds on hogs a they do at 400. Not much difference in the wound channel either.

With other calibers it is basically the same, aim, squeeze trigger, load up the truck and get out the knife. Hard to argue with performance like that.

I never pushed them that fast , but am gratified to hear that they perform so well.

I use Horndy inter lock in about everything. Only exception is my 6.5=06, I use SMK's. I do not shoot at animals with that bullet. If I were to use anything else I'd use a bonded core bullet. In the early 70's I had a 7mm mag that lived on Speer Hot Cores. That they out shot my Hornady bullet's is why I used them. For rats and gopher's, it used Hornady sx bullet's, Sierra MK And that was about it. If one thing is true it's that aproperly constructed bullet for the game you hunt is all that's needed.

I'm with ya too. A while back, I latched onto 500 7mm 154 grain Hornady Round Nose bullets. With 44 grains of IMR4831 in my Ruger #1 7x57, they shoot consistantly MOA or better. I do use some plastic tips for my .222 and .225 from time to time, but I prefer either spire point or round nose for all my other rifles.
joe

I really like the regular cup & core bullets at velocities of 2400 fps to 2700 fps.

6,5X55 - 140gr
6.5X55 160 gr RN
7mm08 140 gr or 150 gr Rem PSPCL
358 Win 225 Gr Sierra BT

They all worked great on deer!

I also use the Barnes TSX & Nosler Accubonds in my 7mm08 & my 280 Ack Imp.

The only c&c bullets I use are 117 grain Core-Locts in my wife's .257 Robert's and .377 diameter Barnes Originals in my .38-55 Model 94 Winchester.

My personal choice for the rest of my rifles are Barnes "X" Flat Base or Barnes "TSX".

As someone else said, a person needs to use what ever they are happy with.

C&C bullets have killed lots of game over the years and still will and in that same vane, the .30-06 has killed at least one of everything that walks this planet.

Wouldn't it be a sad situation if all we had to use was C&C bullets and .30-06's????

Nobody really "NEEDS" anything different now do they? Ain't it great however to live in a country where people can pick and choose what they want to use?

Traditional bullets will get the job done, always have and always will, if the shooter does their part.

Some folks however have their reasons for using different things and that is what makes life interesting.

Another great bullet was the Nosler solid base. Have they re introduced this classic.
Oh, and then there is the classic of classics, the WOODLEIGH round nose.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Another great bullet was the Nosler solid base. Have they re introduced this classic.
Oh, and then there is the classic of classics, the WOODLEIGH round nose.

Hey Oz
Nosler says that their Ballistic Tip is the same construction (jacket thickness, base etc) as the Solid Base bullet. I got that straight from them.

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And personally I really don’t care as I intend to use the most accurate best performing bullets in my rifles regardless of their construction.

I could not agree more.
In my HOWA .30-06 I tried quite a lot of new bullet designs with fancy names.
The most accurate and consistant one I found and have been using for a couple of years now on deer sized animals is the good old Hornady 3035, 150 gr. RN.
Old school perhaps, but proven reliability!

Traditional bullets are great until the day they're not so great. The 95% figure 45-70 shooter gives is pretty darn close. Most hunters - even many with lots of experience - never use one particular projo/MV enough to thoroughly understand it's limitations.

Complicating our assessments are differing levels of importance placed on full penetration, bullet integrity, etc.

After the first 30 or so animals I thought the RP 180 gr PSPCL was without peer: .308 entrance, .50 exit every time. Then - in the kids hands on a couple of really big whitetails - all of a sudden we could see the limitations. Now I will concede lethality of fragmenting .30s on deer. But, in these woods, I want full penetration on broadsides and necks.

So we're switching to NPs.

Sam

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Hey Oz
Nosler says that their Ballistic Tip is the same construction (jacket thickness, base etc) as the Solid Base bullet. I got that straight from them.

Yes, I remember when Solid bases where deleted and replaced by the (back then) erratic ballistic tips. I'm sure I saw somewhere that they re introduced the SB bullets though.

Ozhunter, Nosler did do a limited run of several of their Solid Base bullets several years ago for a manufacturer, and offered some of the over runs on their Shooters Pro Shop website. I did score a few hundred 6mm 100 gr, and a couple hundred .270 130 gr of the solid bases. They actually have a cannelure on them which the old Solid Bases didn't have. I have taken 3 deer with the .270 130 gr Ballistic Tip in the past 2 seasons with very satisfactory results in my .270 WSM. I am just holding on to my Solid Bases for now, since the ballistic tips are working fine. I am awaiting delivery of 300 of the 6mm 90 gr Ballistic Tips for my .243 from Shooter's Pro Shop.

I also ordered a few sacs of the 130 grain Nosler Solidbase bullets for my .270 WSM's. The original reason was I shot some of them in the past and remembered their super accuracy. The more I shot the bullets the more impressed I became and mentioned them to some shooting buddies, ordered them some bullets and each time managed to tag another ten sacs for myself. The result is I now have enough that my great grandson will have enough to load for his grandsons. I must admit to doing this with other Pro Shooters bullets and some to the tune of $4.95 per sac. The end result is a supply of fine Partitions-Accubonds-Ballistic Tips for me and family that we all will be very proud of and the price so resonable that it is hard to beleave. Good shooting

I have a huge soft spot for the 7x57 and fired my first shot with one in 1958. Since then, there has always been one in the house. It is my go-to rifle for walk and stalk.

I guess the choice of bullet is a matter of horses for courses. In 1992 it was a 175gr premium bullet that broke the camel's back and got me into bullet making. I had just one bullet failure too many and decided to do something about it.

Some people prefer to have cars that are 100% original and unrestored, regardless of what the shortcomings are. Others restore and do some modifications to make the old work like the new.