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http://www.cooperfirearms.com/News.html The site shows the guns now, with 13 belted magnum cartridges available. Interesting bunch of cartridges here, some not very popular anymore, and also many Wby. and Win. Mags in the same caliber. | ||
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8mm Rem Mag? Hmmmmm! | |||
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I wonder if Dan Cooper is still pleased with the clown he supported for President and donated money to and does he think he is doing a good job? | |||
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A 300 H&H would sure look good next to my 375 H&H. "I went to the woods because I wanted to live deliberately. To front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not learn what it had to teach and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived"- Thoreau | |||
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What about every other gun owner and sportsman who voted for him and helped put him in office? Dan Cooper no longer has any ties to Cooper arms. It is amazing how this comes up every time the company is mentioned. | |||
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I'm in lust with the Cooper 56 Jackson game rifle in .257 Weatherby, followed closely by the 6.5-284 ! I need help! | |||
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Why? Because there apparantly there are many who have so little respect for democracy, and the process, that they would rather sabotage it if they could, instead of supporting for what good there is in it. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Yes it is amazing a man who owned a firearms company would do this. | |||
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The guy is reportedly long gone from Cooper. For his own reasons he supported a guy unpopular with his customers, and has very publicly been held accountable. The good people who remain behind, building a fine product, right here in the US, shouldn't be held accountable. Let it go guys. -nosualc Beware the fury of an aroused democracy. -Ike | |||
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What proof is there that Dan Cooper is no longer profiting from the company which bears his name? Dan can rot in hell with Obama and the rest of his Commie anti-gun buddies as far as I'm concerned. | |||
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He still owns and works for the company, he was voted out as the CEO. George "I went to the woods because I wanted to live deliberately. To front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not learn what it had to teach and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived"- Thoreau | |||
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Dan Cooper was fired by his own board of directors two days after that whole thing went public. He likely continued to have a financial interest in the company until a suitable buyer was found. If he had not been fired, there would have been no company left. Cooper firearms was bought by Wilson Arms a couple of years ago. Dan Cooper was almost certainly paid for his equity in the company before or during this purchase. Why? Dan Cooper is a pariah of the firearms industry. There is no way in heck that Wilson Arms would risk having him being associated with their company. Eventually it would come out and they have too much to lose. Is that proof? Nope, and without proof to the contrary, I have to use reason. Believe what you want to believe. My main point was that the only people who are gonna get hurt by this continued irrational harangue against Cooper firearms are the good folks who work at the factory. They didn't do anything to deserve this vitriol except work for a guy who made a bad choice. You wanna base your livelihood on the political leanings of your boss? -nosualc eta: I don't own, nor have I ever owned a Cooper firearm. Although I am warming up to the idea. Beware the fury of an aroused democracy. -Ike | |||
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Serious buyers that know this company and the fine guns they produce do not live their lives on "sour grapes". | |||
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How is voting for a president who you don't like, showing little respect for democracy? Why don't YOU show more respect for democracy ie. recognize that not everyone agrees with you, but still have the right to vote? Unless of course you are a birther? Let's see we don't buy Cooper, nor Ruger, nor Smith and Wesson. Hmmm that leaves Remington! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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We are apparantly arguing by saying the same thing. That's funny. Maybe you just like to argue.  It's what goes on after the voting is done that I'm talking about. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Sorry KB, perhaps I misread your post! No, not trying to start an argument. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Nosualc, while I agree with the basic tenets of your comment, I'd draw your attention back to your sig. line. No one said holding a grudge against Cooper was rational...just human!  friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Touché! LOL, there is a bit of irony there isn't there? Cuts both ways, don't it. Was wondering when somebody would point that out. I think Dan Cooper got the msg. He has every right to support whoever he wants, for whatever reasons he has. The flip side is that customers also have the right to express their displeasure by taking their business elsewhere. Actions have consequences. I've got no problem with that. Now that the guy has moved on, I just see no need to keep beating this horse, especially when it hurts people who had nothing to do with the original action. -nosualc Beware the fury of an aroused democracy. -Ike | |||
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Nosualc, you're absolutely right about the people still at the company, and that it's an American made product - and a quality one at that! I'd be inclined to buy one, if it weren't for that aweful bolt-handle  sticking out like a door-knob!friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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I own a Cooper, and I will own another Cooper... as to Politics, some folks are long on memory, but short on intelligence... so be it.  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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From time to time this same topic comes up. I have posted a version of what I am typing several times over the last couple of years. I am about as conservative in my politics, world view and religion as a fellow can get. When all this broke several years ago I sent an e-mail to Dan Cooper personally as well as to the company and followed up with phone calls telling them how disappointed I was that Dan was supporting Obama. I have never bought a new Cooper and probably never will. However, I'm 59 and have never bought a new car. For me it is a matter of economics. I like to buy first class top quality items at good value. Now having said that, rifles are inanimate objects. They are neither good nor evil. If I buy one from another American citizen, it is a used rifle. Even if it bears the name Cooper, it puts no $ in Dan Cooper's pocket (should he still be involved with the company). Another thought that I have expressed numerous times. Think back over the last century. Our country has been involved in wars and conflicts with Germany, Italy, USSR, China Japan, Korea, in which American service men and women have been killed. What was it, something like 18 of the hijackers on the planes on 9/11 were Saudis. How many of the guys here that will berate you for buying a Cooper have never used petroleum products refined from Saudi crude. Wonder if any of them buy any electronics or autos made in China or Japan, any cars, optics or crystal made in Germany or Austria. For that matter if you purchase any thing that originates from any of the aforementioned former adversaries you are directly contributing to the economies of countries that have been responsible for the loss of many more Americans lives than Dan Cooper. I say to single out a rifle such as a Cooper for such opprobrium is hypocritical. Do what you want. Don't buy a Cooper, that leaves more for me! Best GWB  Some of my Coopers, all bought at +/- 60% of retail from a US citizen/gunowner. | |||
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Geedubya makes good points, beginning with our blind hypocrisy and stubborness at punishing the innocent with the guilty. All the same, no one should be surprised at the animosity held towards Mr. Cooper, for what is most offensive and hurtful is when "one of your own" turns on you. Like family, most people don't care much what people outside the family say or do. It's what happens close to home that hits the hardest! friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Does anyone have any evidence that Dan Cooper has sold all of his shares in Cooper Firearms and has no involvement and stands to profit ZERO from the company which still bears his name? I think not. Until I see proof that he is completely dis-invested from Cooper Firearms I have no interest in supporting a man or a company that supports politicians who are committed to weakening our Second Amendment rights. We sure as hell didn't see straight-up guys like Ed Weatherby, Butch Searcy, Mel Forbes or others doing what Dan Cooper did, they deserve our dollars and support, Dan Cooper sure as hell doesn't. Fuck him, I don't care how nice his rifles are.  | |||
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You got any evidence he hasn't? -nosualc Beware the fury of an aroused democracy. -Ike | |||
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You have any evidence he has? | |||
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I don't care if someone else buys his guns, it's a free country. But, as I heard about Cooper and his support for Obama, it reminded me of Bill Ruger and his support for the anti-black rifle pledge. I have not brought a Cooper, and since Ruger's betrayal, I have not brought a Ruger either (and I have about a dozen Rugers lying around that I purchased before his betrayal.) Notably, that market was something that the company eventually decided was worth getting in to- kind of hypocritical when Ruger has stated how they try to stay true to Bill Ruger's "vision".... As I look at it, long "memory" will tend to discourage companies from supporting things that are not in their customer base's best interest. They always had the option of remaining apolitical, which strikes me as a good thing for a business. There are lots of businesses that I will not support if I can avoid it because of their politics, and if we as gun owners and sportsmen did this even half as rabidly as those who oppose us (PETA, etc.) you would find one heck of a lot less public support for some of the oddball groups out there. Don't get me wrong, I am not crusading about it- if its the only choice, or its impossible to tell who made it (oil) I don't sweat it too much, but when its an option, I don't patronize those who want to denigrate my beliefs. | |||
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Your ignorant, self righteous BS would be funny ,if it was not so sad. The gentleman who owns Wilson barrel company (Cooper's barrel supplier for many,many years)bought Dan Cooper out 100 Percent back before Christmas of 2008. OLD NEWS. The Cooper employees I talked to last year at SHOT were glad to see Dan go and had not seen him at the plant since the fall of '08. I guarantee you that you are using a computer made by a Company that is anti gun. And made in a foreign country to boot. And yet, you want to burn Cooper Arms at the stake and whine about rifles you cannot afford to buy anyway..  | |||
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Excellent cartridges to choose from. Cal30 If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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What the hell do you know about what I can or cannot afford? Look around on here some before shooting off your mouth and you'll find quite a bit of evidence to the contrary of your assertion. As I stated, as long as Dan Cooper is involved I have no interest in Cooper rifles, if he has moved on completely that is a different case as to whether others wish to support the company, I have no problem if they do, although he left such a bad taste for me I will most likely never buy a firearm bearing his name. | |||
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Why no 375 H&H and especially since they list 300 H&H. Maybe barrel contour/stcok sizeissues? | ||
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Mike, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a plan in place for a "Safari" line of rifles from Cooper in the future, and the 375 H&H would be the 1st offering in that line. Same kind of market expansion that Kimber took, although I hope that quality standards at Cooper are maintained through the growth. | |||
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I would also not be at all surprised to see a "short mag" line of some sort, or a full length beltless magnum line as well. Or at least the addition of such cartridges in this same gun. How many people that refuse to buy a certain item for political reasons have also opted out of paying their taxes? Every April 15th, you are personally funding our government, paying their salaries, and helping to fund their re-election. That's life. The head of the company at the time made a choice. He never came out and said it was a "company" decision. His views and vote were far outnumbered by probably most every employee in the company at the time. What about another gun company who blatantly refused to correct a major safety issue in guns that resulted in many injuries and deaths? That IS a company issue and means much more than who the gun is named after, and who that person may or may not have supported at some point. | |||
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Unless they change the design of their rifle and go to a CRF doubt they will bring out a "Safari" rifle. Does anyone know what the Model 56 retails for? Also, will they hold three down? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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The prices are listed on their website. Example go 'our rifles', then go to 'classic' and pick one of the M56 calibers. Note - 'classic' starts at $2795. Also, it's odd there is a 300 H&H listed and it was carefully explained to me at Cooper last year the action was too short for the H&H's. Also, both in the M54 and M56, they couldn't get the magazine to feed reliably over .338 (.340). | |||
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My 338-06 would not feed reliably. Also, the very first round of nosler custom ammo I chambered in it had a hard bolt close. So I opened the bolt and all that came back was the brass, with the bullet stuck in the lands. With reloads it shot very accurate, and fast. I found it unbalanced to carry or shoot off hand. | |||
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CRF is a big deal on forums, not the real world. Remington sell heaps of 375s and because they are light. Sako does lots of 375s and Wby must be about the king of the big bores. Then you have Sauer and Blaser. | ||
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GWB, Your comparing using Saudi Crude to buying a Cooper rifle is ludicrous at best. There are a multitude of choices of very high quality rifles to purchase, thus voting with your billfold. I personally choose not to put a vote for Obama sticker in my gun safe. Dan is free to do as he chooses as am I. We do in fact live in a free country (for now) The free enterprise system can be a kind and rewarding place or a cold and cruel environment. I feel sorry for the employee's but they, in this same free enterprise system can take their talent and sell it on the open market or even take the plunge as did I and make a go of it on their own. We live in times that may see the end of solid and trustworthy allies and seem to have chosen the likes of kings and sheiks over solid mideast democracies. This man (Obama) was duly elected yes, with the help and funding of Americans that fell for a feeling rather than understood the wolf we have in the Whitehouse. I carry an immense amount of national pride and truly believe in American exceptionalism. This man that would be King knows what he does, Makes no errors, is straight on course. Thank you Dan Cooper......... Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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This is a direct quote from the company: "The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper. Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms. The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President." Cooper Firearms employs 38 people. Dan Cooper started the company with two partners in 1990. In my mind, if anything, that would make all the more reason to support the company. 38 people who know what is right, and kicked out one who made a wrong choice. | |||
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Ken, I respect and appreciate your solid support of Cooper Arms, It's loyalty like that, that's missing today. We simply have a difference of opinion on the consequences of ones actions. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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