http://www.30nosler.com

for some reason I'm interested..probably winter boredom

It looks like a 30-375 Ruger to me. Just another one of several dozen magnum .30 caliber cartridges and wildcats that have appeared over the last 100 years.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
It looks like a 30-375 Ruger to me. Just another one of several dozen magnum .30 caliber cartridges and wildcats that have appeared over the last 100 years.

Sure looks like the 30/375 Ruger. Interesting because the smaller bore Noslers are the shortened the RUM or shortened 404 Jeffery Improved = Dakotas.

All else is equal it won't be the 300 Wby.

It seems to me at least that it is a perfect balance in the 300 magnum line up...is it needed, hell no.. does it do anything the various other 300's don't..hell no.

But it calls to me

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400: [ . . . ]

But it calls to me

Get one! You need it! You will be un-whole until you have one!

(This is my purely objective, sober, carefully-reasoned opinion )

Maybe..if Blaser starts making barrels for it

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Originally posted by Michael McGuire:

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
It looks like a 30-375 Ruger to me. Just another one of several dozen magnum .30 caliber cartridges and wildcats that have appeared over the last 100 years.

Sure looks like the 30/375 Ruger. Interesting because the smaller bore Noslers are the shortened the RUM or shortened 404 Jeffery Improved = Dakotas.

All else is equal it won't be the 300 Wby.

The 26, 28, and 30 Nosler cases are shortened RUM derivatives.

Perhaps this fall or next spring we'll see a 33 Nosler. Always nice to see new cartridges supported by manufacturers...

If you buy one also buy a life time plus supply of brass.

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Originally posted by capoward:

Perhaps this fall or next spring we'll see a 33 Nosler. Always nice to see cartridges supported by manufacturers...

There aren't an over abundance of 6.5mm magnums so there was a decent niche for the 26 to fill. But there are already so many 7mm and .30 cal magnums I doubt that Nosler's 28 and 30 will have much staying power. A Nosler 33? Maybe, but we do have the .338 Win, .340 Wby, and .338 Lapua. I'd like to see them come out with a 35 Nosler magnum. Now, there's a niche to fill.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
If you buy one also buy a life time plus supply of brass.

Words to live by.

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Originally posted by B L O'Connor:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
If you buy one also buy a life time plus supply of brass.

Words to live by.

Nah..I'll get bored with it like all the other flavors of the week..after a season or so, I'll end up back to the 300win like always.

Still a neat cartridge though..

I wonder why Nosler didnt compare it to the 300 RUM

Dane,

since it is a shortened version of the RUM, I expect they would have had trouble matching the velocity out of a shorter case. I wonder what pressures they load to now to get those numbers.

The big question is why hasn't Winchester done the 6.5WSM?

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Originally posted by capoward:

The 26, 28, and 30 Nosler cases are shortened RUM derivatives.

Those dimensions at .534 on the rim don't show it as looking like a rebated case hence why I was thinking of the 375 Ruger case.

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Originally posted by Michael McGuire:

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Originally posted by capoward:

The 26, 28, and 30 Nosler cases are shortened RUM derivatives.

Those dimensions at .534 on the rim don't show it as looking like a rebated case hence why I was thinking of the 375 Ruger case.

Yeah the pictures on the page are very poor. The original pictures of the 26 Nosler are just as bad. Who knows why...

I can spot a retired bored old curmudgeon gun crank a mile off!! I know the feeling!

What we really need is another 30 caliber magnum, everyone should own a dozen! but at last this one has no belt, as if the belt hasn't proved itself for the last 100 or so years! ooooops, I shot the golden cow with that remark, the guys that don't wear belts will come for me with malice in there eyeballs..

Anybody know what the actual case volume is? Sounds like the 300 Roy without the belt and sexy curves.

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Originally posted by Quintus:
Anybody know what the actual case volume is?

The 28 holds just about 101 grns of water

I'd bet the 30 holds a smidg more

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Originally posted by Quintus:
Anybody know what the actual case volume is? Sounds like the 300 Roy without the belt and sexy curves.

According to the new Nosler book #8:

30 Nosler
89.8 gr wtr with 180gr bullets
87.5 gr wtr with 200gr bullets

300 Weatherby
91.8 gr wtr with 180s
87.5 gr wtr with 200s

300 WinMag
82.3 gr wtr with 180s
77.4 gr wtr with 200s

300 UltraMag
104.7 gr wtr with 180s
102.8 gr wtr with 200s

Wow that's some......... seriously screwed up ballistic comparisons.

Case capacity tells all or at least 99%. The more powder it has the faster it goes, period.

The case design in my opinion is perfection. (edited because from the picture I thought it was the 375 ruger case.) Perfect does not have to be the fastest. If I want fastest I know to go to the 308 warbird, 30-378 wby or 300 rum.

Just don't tell me its the fastest, tell me the truth. Looks like it is a good round but you don't have to stuff it with unicorns and rainbows for me to be impressed.

Doubt I'll trade my 300 RUM for one.

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Originally posted by RMiller:
Wow that's some......... seriously screwed up ballistic comparisons.

Case capacity tells all or at least 99%. The more powder it has the faster it goes, period.

The case design in my opinion is perfection. (edited because from the picture I thought it was the 375 ruger case.) Perfect does not have to be the fastest. If I want fastest I know to go to the 308 warbird, 30-378 wby or 300 rum.

Just don't tell me its the fastest, tell me the truth. Looks like it is a good round but you don't have to stuff it with unicorns and rainbows for me to be impressed.

Doubt I'll trade my 300 RUM for one.

It is the highest velocity .308 caliber cartridge that is factory loaded that functions properly from a 3.4" internal length magazine.

Of course it could be chambered in a rifle having a 3.6" internal length magazine. And of course doing so would allow the use of long high BC bullets that when seated out to fully utilize the 3.6" magazine would likely result in a powder capacity very similar to the 300 RUM; however that difference in the respective Bullets BC would highly favor the long loaded 30 Nosler. But who cares...

I suspect Nosler is cooking the books on the velocities, or it has 2" of freebore in front of the chamber.

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Originally posted by capoward:

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Originally posted by RMiller:
Wow that's some......... seriously screwed up ballistic comparisons.

Case capacity tells all or at least 99%. The more powder it has the faster it goes, period.

The case design in my opinion is perfection. (edited because from the picture I thought it was the 375 ruger case.) Perfect does not have to be the fastest. If I want fastest I know to go to the 308 warbird, 30-378 wby or 300 rum.

Just don't tell me its the fastest, tell me the truth. Looks like it is a good round but you don't have to stuff it with unicorns and rainbows for me to be impressed.

Doubt I'll trade my 300 RUM for one.

It is the highest velocity .308 caliber cartridge that is factory loaded that functions properly from a 3.4" internal length magazine.

Of course it could be chambered in a rifle having a 3.6" internal length magazine. And of course doing so would allow the use of long high BC bullets that when seated out to fully utilize the 3.6" magazine would likely result in a powder capacity very similar to the 300 RUM; however that difference in the respective Bullets BC would highly favor the long loaded 30 Nosler. But who cares...

That is already done with the 300 Win Mag with superior results.

I suppose that would be a sexy looking cartridge but if I wanted sexy I would have a 300 Weatherby.

I actually think it is maybe the perfect 30 and if I didn't have another version of the perfect 30...I'd buy one. It is the 300Wby gone beltless. Unfortunately, the cases will cost about the same as Roys and I have 150 Wby cases in use and 300 new un-primed in waiting. It is just too much of an investment for a gun I already have. I really do like the Nosler rifles though. Maybe if they shorten the case and neck it to 24 and 25 cal. I may get on board. Now I am just bored.

Crikey! The 30 Nosler has a base diameter of .550" and a rim diameter of .534", just like the 26 Nosler and the 28 Nosler.
It is indeed a shortened 300 RUM.
30 Nosler brass length = 2.556", according to the Nosler manual.

If it were indeed a more highly evolved 300 Magnum, then it would not be rebated or belted,
and it would look like the .308/.375 Ruger, which has base and rim diameters both = .532".



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Originally posted by RIP:
Crikey! The 30 Nosler has a base diameter of .550" and a rim diameter of .534", just like the 26 Nosler and the 28 Nosler.
It is indeed a shortened 300 RUM.
30 Nosler brass length = 2.556", according to the Nosler manual.

If it were indeed a more highly evolved 300 Magnum, then it would not be rebated or belted,
and it would look like the .308/.375 Ruger, which has base and rim diameters both = .532".



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Nice Ron...but it's only an improved slightly longer case 30 Newton...

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If it were indeed a more highly evolved 300 Magnum, then it would not be rebated or belted,
and it would look like the .308/.375 Ruger, which has base and rim diameters both = .532".

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That would be bolt action rifle case perfection.

I don't get the stink about the slightly rebated rims on the untramag based cartridges. If it's an extractor concern, get a CRF rifle.

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Maybe..if Blaser starts making barrels for it

I'm sure Elmer would make one for you!

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Originally posted by capoward:

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Originally posted by RIP:
Crikey! The 30 Nosler has a base diameter of .550" and a rim diameter of .534", just like the 26 Nosler and the 28 Nosler.
It is indeed a shortened 300 RUM.
30 Nosler brass length = 2.556", according to the Nosler manual.

If it were indeed a more highly evolved 300 Magnum, then it would not be rebated or belted,
and it would look like the .308/.375 Ruger, which has base and rim diameters both = .532".

Nice Ron...but it's only an improved slightly longer case 30 Newton...

Double Crikey!
Jim,
Enough Newton BS, please.
The .30 Newton base diameter was 0.523" and the rim diameter was 0.525", brass length was 2.520".
I refer you to page 580 of the 4th Edition of AMMO ENCYCLOPEDIA by Michael Bussard.

That is a totally different case head than the .375 Ruger case head (0.532" base and rim diameters).

Newton was ahead of his time, but the .30, .33, .35, and .40 Newton cartridges are very different from the .375 Ruger based cartridges.

Similar, but no cigar, no proprietary cigar or brass case was stolen from Charles Newton.

Charles Newton's cartridges can be called an inspiration, but they would be the weak sister to the Ruger line.



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Originally posted by streetglideok:
I don't get the stink about the slightly rebated rims on the untramag based cartridges. If it's an extractor concern, get a CRF rifle.

Not an extraction concern.
It is a feeding concern, with bolt overriding a rim, whether pushfeed or CRF.
It can happen even with non-rebated cartridges.
Why invite Murphy to the jammin' party?

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