Are they smoking the same pipe that Remington has been smoking? Just looked on their website and now they are putting some stupid muzzle brake on the Ruger Africans. If I had any desire to buy one of these I no longer do.
They are also showing a Ruger Magnum Hunter in 300 Win Mag with a Muzzle brake.
Also I cant even find the RCM's on their website at all. Although I think the 338 Win Mag is a great round the 338 RCM with the 20" barrel and sights is the only newer short mag that I had much interest in at all. I assume it may be strictly a business decision.


I think putting Muzzle Brakes on the Ruger Africans is just silly. HELLO WINCHESTER AND CZ
However I guess this just proves again that the classics are just hard to beat

And, I do not see the 9.3x62 on the African anymore either. How sad. That was a classic African caliber.

A muzzle break on a pure hunting rifle like these is not only unsightly but just plain bad. They will lift your ears off mounted and who want's a muzzle weight that doesn't have rifing in it? Not me.
Recoil off the bench can be managed lots of other ways.

They have the 338rcm under the guide guns

Ruger Alaskan in 416 Ruger is gone.
That was a stupid decision.

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Ruger Alaskan in 416 Ruger is gone.
That was a stupid decision.

Really? It is a good business decision to continue to make a product which doesn't sell? LOL.

You guys crack me up. Complaining about Ruger's changes to their line is fine, but accusing them of being poor businessmen - when they are one of the few US gun makers to remain solvent over the last four decades - is pretty foolish. I wish I had Ruger's "poor business model".



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I just got off the phone with a service rep in NH. I called both NH and AZ before I could get finally get through to NH. Their product service line was really busy so I was on hold for about 20 minutes. Product service rep told me that the brake is removable which is a good thing but he seemed to be somewhat reluctant with his answer. I hate the green mountain laminate on the new "guide gun" as well as the new butt pad.

Dig around on their website and you'll find the muzzle break is removable. Plus Ruger includes two thread caps with the rifle; a weighted cap of same weight as muzzle break ans a simple unweighted thread cap. So if you don't like the muzzle break just remove it and cap the thread with the included thread cap...

And for those who have complained for years...the 416 Ruger is now available in the wood stock African model...

Why replace the Alaskan' Hogue stock? Likely from all the complaints that the stock moved to much under recoil which diminished longer range accuracy. The laminate stock eliminates this complaint.

Me I very much dislike the chopped base of the butt stock...might be nice from the bench but is ugly to look at... I do like the ability though to adjust the LOP from 12.75" to 14.5" by just adjusting the spacers and recoil pad - definately a nice idea just don't care for the look.

I have a compact magnum in 338RCM, and 308. I love both of them. I guess they were not that popular. I don't see why the 308 RCM didn't sell like hot cakes. Not selling mine.

Once Bill died it was all over.
-silly "new" cartridges
-the stupid scout rifle
-bolt guns so ugly a Savage looks good (and shoots better)
-a muzzle loader that lasted a week or so
-a 9 shot single action (load all week, shoot in 3 minutes)

and now they're dropping the No 1 B and cannot take any new orders ! Outstanding business forcast model. any fool new once the Kenyan was elected the FIRST time, gun and ammo sales would go through the roof.

Got my Red pad No 1s, tang safe 77s and RSM.
One wonders if they hired the "experts" from 1965 Winchester ......

Good luck finding either of these at Ruger today:

Hopefully they will not mess with the Ruger African, but I see they may have dropped the gloss blue and it was the best blue on a factory rifle I have seen since rust blue...I had one in a 9.3x62 but sold it, and I still have a .338 Win. in that model..beautiful gun.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Hopefully they will not mess with the Ruger African, but I see they may have dropped the gloss blue and it was the best blue on a factory rifle I have seen since rust blue...I had one in a 9.3x62 but sold it, and I still have a .338 Win. in that model..beautiful gun.

Look on the website they already messed with it. They put a stupid muzzle brake on it

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
I just got off the phone with a service rep in NH. I called both NH and AZ before I could get finally get through to NH. Their product service line was really busy so I was on hold for about 20 minutes. Product service rep told me that the brake is removable which is a good thing but he seemed to be somewhat reluctant with his answer. I hate the green mountain laminate on the new "guide gun" as well as the new butt pad.

They stopped making that nice little wood stock 338RCM that weighs 6.5 lbs and replaced it with an ugly stocked, muzzle braked, 8 lb rifle. That is sad. I guess guides don't like light rifles.

Someone had brain surgery that didn't go to well
and this years line up is the result.

The new product line up appears to have stung a few here into posting but whatever Ruger's business model is, it appears to be working for them.
They're not going to drop a popular & profitable line from their catalogue, so you can draw your own conclusions from the changes made.
If the 2013 lineup has a negative effect on sales, then you can bet it'll be changed again at the year end, or sooner.

I understand business and thus Ruger's decision. What I lament is the world conditions that produced them both.
However in my lament, I honor their freedom to do so.
Do you folks realize that the Ruger Scout rifle is about to become illegal because of it's magazine? Have you done anything to stand against it? Might want to think about doing so if you have not already.
dmw

I've never been a huge Ruger fan, but they have had a few good products over the years. They obviously became shareholder orientated rather than customer orientated since Bill Ruger's passing.

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Originally posted by capoward:

Why replace the Alaskan' Hogue stock? Likely from all the complaints that the stock moved to much under recoil which diminished longer range accuracy. The laminate stock eliminates this complaint.

I think the main reason for this problem was the crap recoil pad on the Alaskan.

I have the Alaskan in 375Ruger and the recoil pad had a tendency to buckle a bit at some of the shots.

After I replaced the recoil pad with one from Limbsaver, everything is uniform and the gun groups very well.

I also know some had problems with that the stock screws often got loose with the Alaskan in 375Ruger, but I have not experienced any problems with that yet.

The truth is, once you've produced a US made 9.3 x 62 rifle for a year or two, you've made all you can sell for a decade. Doesn't matter how well it works; its too obscure for all but a few of us.

It seems that they need to add the muzzle break to all the rifles since people seem to be getting so soft and can hardly handle the recoil of a .223 these days. Almost every post I read on gun forums about custom guns being built they have to add those dang breaks to them. Either out of aesthetics (tacti-cool) or recoil sensitive. I personally can't stand the things unless of course I am shooting a 50 BMG.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
The truth is, once you've produced a US made 9.3 x 62 rifle for a year or two, you've made all you can sell for a decade. Doesn't matter how well it works; its too obscure for all but a few of us.

Yep, that's why they would smart to re-introduce a classic caliber every year instead of creating new proprietary rounds that won't sell after 2 years.

Good point. It worked for Remington.

Over the years, Ruger has turned out a lot of junk, i don't even look at them any longer...

DM

Other than the Ruger RSA, #1A, 1H and 1S,I don't care much for Ruger rifles or auto pistols. However, I do like that they chamber their rifles for more obscure like 358 Win, 9.3x62, 93.x74R, 450-400 NE, 35 Whelen, 6.5x55, et al. I still woundn't mind snagging a Hawkeye in 358 Win.

I hear what you're saying about the 9.3x62. Most American hunters have probably never even heard of the caliber. That does not however, reflect on its usefulness or desirability. CZ has been selling rifles in this caliber in America way before Ruger
started last year, and as far as I know, they still are. I wonder why they can keep it in their catalog and Ruger cannot?

Don't know for sure but they seem to be making money hand over fist.

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Originally posted by surefire7:
I hear what you're saying about the 9.3x62. Most American hunters have probably never even heard of the caliber. That does not however, reflect on its usefulness or desirability. CZ has been selling rifles in this caliber in America way before Ruger
started last year, and as far as I know, they still are. I wonder why they can keep it in their catalog and Ruger cannot?

I would assume that CZ sells quite a few 9.3X62 rifles in Europe and around the world to keep the break even point met. I am not sure how many such rifles Ruger might export in that caliber.

It's called listening to some dipshit outdoor writer and self proclaimed gun expert (ala Craig Boddington) who likes the weird stuff.

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Originally posted by Ken Cline:
It's called listening to some dipshit outdoor writer and self proclaimed gun expert (ala Craig Boddington) who likes the weird stuff.

I fear that you hit the nail on the head Ken.