What is with cartridge designers these days?

I am looking at the 300 AAC Blackout. I see Ruger is going to or is chambering it in the American rifle. I can see some cheap target practice with this round and some venison as well.

The thing is my version of a 300 AAC Blackout would just be a 7.62x39 with a 1/7 twist. Same abilities as a 300 AAC plus the ability to use one of the most widely available cartridges on earth. Fits in the same actions as the AAC as well.

Just my thoughts.

What are yours?

Adding more....

Whats with the 26 and 28 nosler? The 7mm ultra blows the 28 nosler out of the water and the 26 is sexy but if Nosler really wanted to nail the coffin shut on a large part of the cartridge spectrum they would have used the 375 Ruger Case.

The Ruger case is as near perfection as there is for stepping up from the 06 case. Why it sits dormant and freakshow cases like the Nosler moves on just puzzles me.

My take on it (the 300 Blackout) is that it was what they come up with to fit into an AR-15 platform, utilize the same magazines as a 5.56, and the same bolt face. Plan (purpose?) was to come up with all of the above, heavy bullet for more downrange thump out to moderate ranges, and lend itself very well to suppressors.

Velocity wasn't a big issue for suppressor purposes.

I talked to a Ruger rep at the Shot Show and they were surprised by the sales response to the American that they offered in the 300 AAC/Blackout. The rifle is certainly priced right and available with a youth stock too.

7.62x39 doesn't lend itself to the AR Platform very well and requires different magazines.

However, your idea of a 7.62x39 with a rate of twist dedicated for heavy bullets would certainly work on an AK platform, bolt, or break open single shot.

Can't really comment much on merits and reasons for the Nosler cartridges, Ruger cartridges, etc. Guess that is what keeps the factories running as there is going to be a certain number of people that gotta have the next best thing.

I have a 300 b.o. bolt rifle.
I fling 240 gr cast boolits using 3.5 grs of pistol powder.
it's about as cheap as I can shoot and still have quality trigger time. [under a nickel a shot]
and it doubles as a super handy walking varmint rifle flinging 110gr V-max's at a tick over 2400 fps from my 16" barrel.

now if someone builds a decent x39 rifle with an actual .308 groove diameter barrel i'll buy the first one.
I have dies, brass, swaging tools, and molds waiting for the day I find one...
I'd really like for it to be a ruger hawkeye.
and a 10-12 twist barrel would be a super huge bonus for me.

I keep hearing about the ruger American in 300 bo and have talked to salesmen that keep passing them over the counter as fast as they get them in.
but i haven't seen one in person yet.
the wife is after me to get her one.

They wanted to use unaltered M-16 mags and be able to do a conversion with nothing but a bbl swap.

Also, to amplify what Matt sez, 7.62x39 is rough on AR-15 bolts b/c the bolt has to be hogged out such that support is very, very thin on the outside encircling the base. So they crack, extractor claws, too. An AR10 in 7.62-39 would be another story, but who wants that?

The AAC case is shortened, as it was designed to do double duty in suppressed applications. That's why it's not a full length 30/.223 or .30/.221.

Agree on the Ruger cases. They got it right. The last was the best. But b/c they were last to the dance - behind SAUM/WSM/eieio - they languish. I think the .375 is here to stay, though.

300 Whisper. JD Jone's 1980 something design. By the way it is a great handgun cartridge. A friend has one.

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Originally posted by AFRICAN LEADWOOD:
300 Whisper. JD Jone's 1980 something design. By the way it is a great handgun cartridge. A friend has one.

I took one deer with my 10" Contender in 300 Whisper, I wasn't impressed with the round and switched to a 357 Max for my Illinois deer hunting.

To me it's only forte is to be used with a suppressor, which my state does not allow, so it is completely useless in my world.

Nothing new about the Blackout except the name. Remington copied the 300 Whisper from the 1990s and put a huge marketing campaign behind it.

My 300 BLK is an AR pistol with the Sig Sauer
"brace". 11" bbl, YHM suppressor, and cast 247grGC at about 1060fps. Uses standard AR mags and bolt face. Can't beat simple.

Pop-Pop-Pop, and about 8-cents around using reformed 223 mil brass...

Or buy a Mossberg that uses AR mags

There is a sucker born every minute! anyone remember this quote?

The gun industrys today are maned my bean counters that ate their college books as opposed to study, they are the administrators of bankruptsy. They are out of touch with the shooting public and prey on the newbies, who have not had time to learn the dirty tricks game.

The beaners go under the assumption that anything new will sell like hotcakes, what they don't understand and never will is they soon run out of hotcakes! and sales go to hell in the long run. So then the discontinue the ammo and components, remember this? 5mm Rem is a prime example.

Success comes in the industry with time and field experience. The .338 started out slow and gradually over a few years roared to the top as people shot game with it..It will always be with us..It earned its reputation the old fashion way..Not as a flash in the pan like so many new cartridges. This is what I see in the BO..just my opinion.

So apparently a bunch of us become 'suckers' when we got beyond a .22, 12 gauge, and an 'aught six'.

Exception being somebody else's pet caliber, of course. 'Them are different because I got one!'

Wonder how many gun companies there would be if they just sold a couple models/calibers from 50+ years ago?

I would rank the .300 Blackout along with the 6.8 SPC as heading the list of "Y" cartridges. I look at their performance, shake my head, and say "Y would anyone buy this?".

I love the looks of the 6.8.

I would like to have one in a Ruger compact.

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Originally posted by steyrsteve:
I would rank the .300 Blackout along with the 6.8 SPC as heading the list of "Y" cartridges. I look at their performance, shake my head, and say "Y would anyone buy this?".

The Y is for people that want to hunt with an AR15 rifle without the added weight of moving to an AR10 platform.

Ignorance is bliss. If you don't know much about a cartridge then it is, of course, of no use to anyone. Fear of the unknown will always be with us.


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my pistol has an eleven-inch barrel and a YHM 9mm Cobra II suppressor. I feed it four-cent cast bullets I make, and about that much for powder.

The 6.8 is neat, but all of my AR 223 magazines fit and feed the BLK.

With 150gr bullets, it is about the ballistics equivalent of the old 30-30 or AK-47 round.

If SOCOM continues to use 300 Blackout, and there are enough civilians/military who shoot and load for it because of the first reason, I think there will be enough demand for it to outlast the other special/short AR cartridges, if they go away. Whether hunters like it or not.

the 300 b.o. is a streamlined bullet 357 mag/max whatever.
nothing more or less really.
but it sure is fun.

In my opinion the 6.8 and the 300 Blackout are here to stay. 6.8 spc has been around for 10 years and has been steadily growing in popularity. 300 Blackout is an overnight success pushed by Remington's huge PR campaign.