I don't know about you guys, but If it has the same barrel taper as my S/S 708, and it looks like it does judging by the weight, I'll be getting another 7mm08Rem. in CDL form, Jay

Thanks for the posts, just on the verge of buying a BDL SS, have been shaking my head at some of Remington's decisions in the past few years, but this one looks like a winner. Anyone online carrying these yet?

This is the rifle that the BDL should have been for the last 20 years. Big Green's right on schedule as usual. But look on the bright side, at least now they have the cosmetics down. Maybe next they can redesign that garbage paper clip extractor and most importantly, beef up the QC.

The 504 in contrast looks like a real winner........as long as they can manage to produce it with a reasonable level of quality. Fingers crossed.

I really wish Remington all the success in the world, but their recent quality problems have burned me. They need to work with Savage's buisness model in that they need to make the guns BETTER instead of CHEAPER. The theory being that the better gun will attract more market share.

This company right now is treading water based on their past reputation. It won't work forever. I just hope the bean counters (who are obviousely running the show now)don't run the oldest gunmaker in America into the ground. There are only so many of the idiot BDL buyers discussed above, ultimately, the gun has to stand on it's own two feet. Much the same way the pre-64 70 established itself as the rifleman's rifle.

It's not too late to right the ship, but if I had to guess, I'd bet that we see a .17 RSSAUM before we see this company turn around.

Gabe

Oh Papa, you bargain basement hunters and Savage justifiers just couldn't pass up a chance could you. I've got 700's that are over 40 years old and I've never had a "paper clip" extracter fail yet. I have one 22-250 that has been re-barrelled twice -no telling how many rounds- and the extracter is still doing what its supposed to do. But, that's neither here nor there is it. You just can't resist. Sooooo, keep buying those butt ugly Savages and those hawg backed imports. Maybe they'll even start importing a Chinese pre64 winnie.

I found out from a Rem. dealer and then from Remington customer service today that they are doing away with the J-lock on the 700s and Model 7s that are made in 2004. Great news.

Scott

You know, I have several rifles with the J Lock and without picking the rifle up and looking at it, I couldn't tell you which ones they are. I have one of the key thingys on my key chain just for insurance but on the rifles, since I have no children at home, I just unlock it and forget it. The alledged loss of estetics is beyond me.

A second call to Rem. CS got the same answer, "We're not aware of any changes to the J-lock at this time", and I really haven't seen any accuracy problems with my 223VS equipped with it. Jay

It took three calls for me to get the answer from them. You defintely don't get the same answer each time. For all I know, it could be false. I've never heard of it causing any accuracy problems, I just don't like the looks of them and have an aversion to ANY gun with a lockout device. I won't have one, unless I can replace it with original parts.



Edited to update: I spoke to Remington CS again this afternoon. The lady said they were still using the J-locks. I asked her to verify that and she put me on hold. She came back and apologized. She said they had announced that Remington was discontinuing the J-locks and no other lockout device would be used. I also spoke to Beretta USA, who told me the Sakos, beginning in the spring, would offer their rifles with or WITHOUT their lockout device. Great news.



Scott

GA Shooter, I just spoke to Sue and Norma @Rem. CS, and they both put me on hold to verify the J-lock dispute, and they both came back and said they're still using the lock this year, Go figure. Jay

Wow, that's maddening. I hope it's true.

Scott

I was not referring to the Savage as superior to the 700, nor do I own or plan on owning any Savages. What I was referring to is the contrast between the buisness models that each company is using. Savage plans to make more money by making the product better and increasing their market share, Remington plans to make more money by cutting costs and ultimately quality. Remington plans on living off of the reputation for quality that was built back before the reign of the current ownership. Back when the 700 was a good (never great) rifle for the dollar. Back when problems were rare and solutions were handled professionally. What they are producing now is all too frequently drek. Yes you can send it back and get it fixed, but should you have to?

As far as extractors, ask any 'smith, they replace more Remington extractors than all the others combined.

Gabe

No more J Lock? Hoooooray! Makes that new model look even better.

Rich Elliott

Papa, guess what? Remington makes more rifles than anyone else. Ergo more opportunities for problems. And, as far as after-market work, if I made a great portion of my living replacing triggers, installing sako exractors, "blue printing actions" (now threre's a money maker - sounds super cool but really means nothing), I would want every new buyer to think he had a time bomb unless he paid me a lot of bucks to lay hands upon it. As I said, I have 700's that are over 40 years old - I guess pushing 50 now- and I can't find this great depreciation of quality that I keep hearing about.
Are we sure its not just a yearning for the good old days when girls were prettier, cars were faster, bread was cheaper...................

beamanbeme,

I liked it better when the cars were prettier and the girls were cheaper. Never bought much bread.
Oh yes, the Remington Rifles were cheaper too and I do believe a bit better quality overall.

Rich Elliott

If I took a new CDL magnum and rebarrelled it to .375h&h,
would it still be too light for a normal working .375?

What is Remington's estimated factory weight for this one?

I would use the heavier barrel contour rather than the exact contour that matches the factory.

I had been looking for a 700 long magnum and toss the stock for a Boyds JRS laminate, but the CDL looks better.

Regards,
North_GA_Aire