I recently bought a new Rem Mountain rifle in .270. I won't bore you with the details, but the thing shot patterns, not anything that could considered a group. After much experimenting and work on the gun I finally got a 2" group at 100 yards. I'm sure it was a fluke because I have never been able to repeat anything close to it.
I've dealt with Remington in the past and can tell you that they hardly ever will admit anything is outside of spec, so I decided to take my medicine, (after bragging on these forums how pretty this gun was)and get rid of a big hassle.
I took JBelk's posts to heart and bought a CZ whick I hope will shoot decent (notice the psycology, I'm only looking for decent now, before I wanted really good).
I suggest, until Remington gets it's act together, that we avoid the junk they put out. If we stop buying, they will have to improve or quit. Either one is ok with me. We pay good money for rifles that cost more and are made for less than they ever were with quality that is non existant.
As a side note, I also bought a Browning Stainless Stalker that on the first group after 6 or 7 shoot-one-clean-shoot-one rounds shot a 5 shot 1" group with some old 7mm-08 rounds I threw together to break the barrel in with.
Guess which I'll buy next.

Bobby, maybe now that Big Green has moved to North Carolina where life is laid back, they have relaxed their brains somewhat. I have had similar dealings with Remington in the past and if it wasn't for the 7600 I wouldn't deal with them at all. Have you ever considered a Savage? I know, they ain't the prettiest gal in town, however, I've owned several including Model 99's and up to my pride and joy, a stainless synthetic model in .338 Winchester and I haven't had too many problems with any of them. More importantly, if you do have a problem they will look after you. I've had several calls to the chief engineer and never had a problem getting through to him regardless of the topic. Try that with Big Green. And I'll stack up Savage against any other production rifle where accuracy out of the box is concerned. Like I said, they're nothing fancy but they do get the job done and you get to deal with real people.

Go the www.xtremeaccuracy.com and look up my post "Write the Remington CEO Campaign." Do it and send him a copy of your post here. They need to be poked up.

Rifleman, very good idea, thanks for the tip.

I've ever had one Rem 700BDL (.243 rebarrel to .308)last year. This week i got my new Rem700VSSF in .223. What i'm wonder is the barrel.... I chose the ss heavy barrel and hope it is "good enough". But Yesterday i send it back to my supplier because of the condition. It is Brand New but it has some "scratches" in the bore! (around 2-3" from the throat).I hope my source complain to Remington and send it back again. Let's see what's up.....
I know that i can not "depend" on a lower price rifle, but i like the 700action. (i was just hope "good enough" barrel when i ordered it).
I don't "hate" Remington, nor i don't "love" European like Sako,Steyr,Anchutz,Voere...each of them has own plus/minus....but i realize that i "love" button rifling (ss) barrel like Hart and Shilen.
It is a pity to me that Remington (i.e Mike Walker) was actually the finder of the button rifling cut's barrel in 1950, but now they use/adopt 30's decade-Germany's hammer forging system... .
"Rough" is okay, just don't for the accuracy. That's why i was chose a Rem last 3months ago.
I hope i can get a "better barrel" now...
Regards, Sebastian.

BETTER NOT let "VG" from the "Varmint board" see you posting anything bad about Remmytins or he will be all over you.
According to him, Remmytin has NEVER made a bad anything and even if they did let something out the door of sub-quality, it would still be light years better then any....Savage.

Personally, I have a buddy who has gunsmithed for over 30 years and does lots of custom builds(everything from flintlocks to C3 ground guns)and people don't seem to mind too terribley when he tells them it will be a year to wait for his work in his one man shop, and he shudders any time someone starts out the sentence with "I want to build a XXX on a Model 700."

Lately the littany has been, bad headspacing, rough chambers, scope holes that don't fit any mount base made, and sight put on crooked.
When someone comes in and tells him their 700 won't shoot, he usually has them replace the bbl while he is doing all the rest of the squaring and trueing.

Big Green is definitely having it's QC problems lately.

Remington guns were regarded as fairly ok, weren't they? About when did the Remington guns go bad?

I have a Rem700BDL manufactured in -95 that i am really pleased with. Was i lucky or did their production quality drop after that?

/Mo

Bobby, did you try some different reloads through that gun? I'm just wondering if that would've cleaned it up.
Better yet, have you tried any factory loads to establish a baseline?
On the flip side of all this, you should not have to reload to get decent accuracy. In my opinion, when you buy a brand new gun it should be capable of shooting factory ammo into at least
1-1.5 MOA consistently. With the engineering processes they use today, this should be quite easy. Reloading should only be necessary to "fine tune" your groups. I feel bad for the guys who don't reload and encounter these problems. I'm sure other manufacturers have similar problems, but it all comes down to customer support. If they would've said "Send it back, we'll fix it" you would probably still love them. Unfortunately for them and others, that's not always the case.

Moosy,
Remington isn't the only one presenting us with bad quality lately. I'm not sure when it started, or if it's really possible to put a date on it. Maybe 'smiths like JBelk could help us with that, since they see a higher volume of guns than we have experience with.

All I can tell you is that I have a 700 BDL SS produced around '93, which operates smoothly, is well fitted and finished, and is very accurate. I have a 700 Mt. Rifle which is maybe a bit older, as it has the floor plate rather than the detachable magazine (thank God), and it is also very satisfactory in every way. My only other Remington rifle is my first gun, a 35+ year-old Model 660, which is ugly as sin but is an old, reliabe, and accurate friend.

Remington's Q C problems seemed to have started somewhere between the phony engraving and the "J" lock!
I enjoy my older 700 Classics but probably won't be buying any new (Modern?) offers.
Rich Elliott

It seems it started around 1994 or so. I have a few older remingtons that shot well, didn't foul much, good quality. Last 2 rifles I bought had crowns out of round, roughest barrels you would ever see, excessive throat lengths. So the latest one, is rebarreled, and stock fitted, and trigger adjusted, and bolt face squared. But you know what. I shouldn't have to deal with that.

I always put down the Medallion cause it was a jap gun. But recently picked up a used one from the classified and will tell ya, thats a quality gun. Shoots well, don't have to adjust the triggers, kinda glass bedded, accurate. I am happy.

I will still buy their shotguns, but never again another rifle from big green.

I also have a 700BDL from -95. I bought it 'new' a short while ago so it had been sitting on the shelf in the gunstore for some time.

I havn't shot it much yet but i get 1.5MOA with factory ammo and it has a crisp 4pound trigger and a smooth action. Its not as good as a SAKO, Sauer or whatever but it doesnt cost as much either. It will do the job.

/J

Buy a newer one and see what ya think?

I've bought 2 Remington 700's in the last 2 years. The first, a .243 BDL had a rough barrel and the bolt handle had a surface defect in it. Got the bolt repaired/re-blued. It has the goobered up J-lock thingy on it and "enhanced" receiver. It is an "average" shooter.

The 2nd is a PSS in 308. So far, I'm very pleased with it, except for the chinzy floorplate (but no J-lock thingy), it has the potential to be my "bughole" gun.....damn accurate! Quality control on varmint/tactical/target rifles seems ok, it's the "meat" guns that seem to be lacking in quality.

I have Rems 700s in 222,308,and 25-06,all fine shooters.But if I were to bye a new Rifle today,it would be a Savage,Savage always out shoots them all,out of the box.

Oh come on,

Do you honestly believe that Savage rifles will always out shoot them all, out of the box?

Savage,puts there money on the inside of a Rifle,not on the outside.No fancy blueing or stocks,just a plane Jane tack driver!

i own five savages(.270.308.30-06.300 win mag and.300ultra)and all shoot very tight groups,the only drawbacks has been the factory trigger and the plain jane looks.now with their new accru-trigger they have the trigger problem solved.on the old ones it wasn't hard to replace the trigger spring with one from the hardware store that are used on screen doors.simply cut off the hook and a little bending and its a decent trigger pull of around 2-3 pounds. a buddy showed me this trick and it really works well and cost a dollar for two triggers.of the six remington 700's i own five shoot well and one is being re-barreled now.i am sure there are lemmons in any gun made that isn't a custom built gun, and maybe there are those that dosen't shoot as they should too?
muskrat

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