.....with a 24" bbl. Any real life experience with this combo? Actual bullets used, velocities, any other info would be appreciated.

Before I ever bought a rifle of my own, my buddy made me use his heavy Weatherby stainless with a long barrel and synthetic stock. With factory loads by Weatherby (Norma) and Remington that gun just killed the heck out of deer. It is a very flat shooting, long range rifle. Killed my first buck and several does with it. Merg

I shot an Ultra Lightweight late last season, recoil isn't too stiff and it'll kill 'em about as far as most people can take 'em. Deer through elk should be no big deal. It was shooting 140's at around 3300fps with factory ammo and was damn accurate, but IMO over-scoped with a 4.5x14 with 50-some-odd-milimeter objective lens or some such thing, too much for my liking.

I have a .270 Wby in a Blaser R93, with a barrel effectively about 24.8" long. I get approximately .270 WSM ballistics out of this barrel - both from handloads (IMR 7828) and from factory ammo.

I'm not really interested in using anything but 130 grs (T)TSX with this combination. Fortunately, the TSX shoots very decently in my barrel, although a couple of grains below book max. The slightly throttled load is probably not a bad thing in terms of brass life, though.

For me, this caliber is one step up from the .257 Wby in terms of bullet weight and diameter, yet considerably more pleasant to shoot than the .300's. A caliber made for the open range!

- mike

It's a cartridge slightly faster than a .270 Winchester and is debatable whether it's worth the extra cost and powder consumption.

Unquestionably a fine cartridge that can only be improved upon by adding .007 to the bullet diameter and attaching the Remington name.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

It's a cartridge slightly faster than a .270 Winchester and is debatable whether it's worth the extra cost and powder consumption.

Thats if 400 fps can be considered "slightly faster!

I think that it is superior to the 270 WSM, or any of the new "short magnums" for the reason that cases and cartridges will still be offered for it by Weatherby long after the "bean counters" at Olin and elsewhere have dropped these "short magnums".

Remember the 225 Winchester?

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Thats if 400 fps can be considered "slightly faster! Big Grin

It's a lot closer to 150 than 400!

A full 3400+ with 130s and a solid 3200 with 150s. 26" barrel. Deffinatly faster than a 270 Win. Does it make a huge difference, thats up to you.

Almost anything can best the .270. You pick the catagory.

Compared to the 270 Win., it needs a longer bbl, uses a lot more powder, ammo is very expensive (if you can find it) has a LOT more muzzle blast and recoil...

Is it worth all of those negatives to get 150 to 200 fps? It isn't to me...

If i was "dieing" to have a magnum, i'd buy a 7 Rem. Mag. and have something even better than the 270 Wby. Mag...

DM

24 inches in length is way way too short to realize the potential you're probably looking for with the 270 Wby. I agree with Vapo that 150 fps is about all you'll get in that barrel.

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Originally posted by MTM:
A full 3400+ with 130s and a solid 3200 with 150s. 26" barrel. Deffinatly faster than a 270 Win. Does it make a huge difference, thats up to you.

I can chronograph 3200 fps/130 gr in my Sauer 200 270 Win and 3100 fps/140 gr. It has a 25.5" barrel. I never loaded 150s so I can't say about that. So I still don't see 400 fps unless you're comparing your 270 Wby handloads (or factory) in a 26" barrel against the standard factory velocities for the 270 Win in a 22" factory barrel.

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Originally posted by ztreh:
Almost anything can best the .270. You pick the catagory.

It's what makes a forum!

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
I think that it is superior to the 270 WSM, or any of the new "short magnums" for the reason that cases and cartridges will still be offered for it by Weatherby long after the "bean counters" at Olin and elsewhere have dropped these "short magnums".

Remember the 225 Winchester?

I suggest you check some of the other rifle manufacturers ie. Tikka/Sako, Remington, Browning, etc. They all have a WSM or two in their lineup. I received a recent benchrest publication showing results from competitions in TX,AZ,CO,MO. In the 1000 yard matches there were numerous custom built 300WSMs. Once upon a time it was the great 300 H&H that reigned supreme.,
As far as the comments on the bullet size being incresed from .277 to .284/7mm with a Remington added this is purely a mental glitch in the beholders mind. You can buy anything from 90 gr. to 150 grain bullets in a .277 diameter Being shot in barrels of equal length, I promise you no animal on this planet will raise it's head after being shot to ask you why you were not using a 7MM caliber instead!
The 270 Weatherby is fine cartridge that will do anything any 7MM caliber anything,except maybe a 7MM Weatherby, will do in a barrel of equal length. I personally do not care for a 26" barrel on anything except my shotguns and even then they are a pain in the ass to carry in cover,vehicles,etc. I also think the 26" barrel will be the undoing on the much heralded Ultra-Mags and they, in time, will be added to the many Remington belly-flops.
As far as velocity comparison between the 270 Win. and the Weatherby, I am currently getting high 3000's and occasionally 3100's with 140 grain bullets in my 270 Win. w/24" barrel with a load of 55 grains of H-4350. I could still go a little higher. A buddy of mine was chronagraphed at mid-3000's in a 7MM Rem.Mag with 140 gr. Nosler BT handloads that he thought were hot sh-t. Whooptydo. You should be able to handload at least 100 fps. faster (probably 200 fps faster). The question is, is it worth the extra cost of the Weatherby brass, extra powder and more recoil. That is for you to decide.

Quite apart from whether the step-up from a .270 Win to a .270 WSM to a .270 Wby is deemed worthwhile by the individual shooter, this discussion seems to have taken a "standard path" for caliber discussions in here... It does not last long, and velocity claims (verified or not) are posted fast and furiously for one or the other cartridge, forming the basis for conclusions this way or that...

Personally, it matters little to me whether it is worthwhile for another shooter to upgrade to a bigger cartridge, if he/she bases her decisions on velocity numbers I have never observed out of my barrels. My .270 Wby loads don't run as fast as either the book - or much less the Internet - claims they "should do", but neither do my .270 Win loads. In fact, it is comparatively rare my velocity numbers in any cartridge live up to book or Internet expectations, and if they do, this is often accompanied by expanded primer pockets etc...

I see little point in discussing the velocity claims made in here - reliable or not, high pressure or not. I know the velocity I observe from my .270 Win barrels, and if, based on those numbers, I decide it worthwhile to pursue more speed with a like bullet diameter, one of the options open to me (and possibly one of the safer ones) is to use a larger case.

Does the result merit the additional expenditure, and (comparatively) shorter barrel life?? Only I can be a judge of that, nobody else, really.

- mike

I spoke to Lex over at Rifles, Inc. about a long range deer rifle. I have an excellent lightweight 7mm Rem Mag he built for me, so I'm familiar with the quality of his product. I want (note I did not say need) another of his rifles in a flat shooting caliber capable of MOA out to 500 yards. My preference is a 24" bbl as I find 26" a bit unwieldy in box blinds. Rifle weight is not a factor, which is why the 7 Rem mag will not be used for this application. He prefers not to build short mags (the .270 WSM was on my list), advised against the 7mm Dakota, and recommended the .270 Roy.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MTM:
A full 3400+ with 130s and a solid 3200 with 150s. 26" barrel. Deffinatly faster than a 270 Win. Does it make a huge difference, thats up to you.

I can chronograph 3200 fps/130 gr in my Sauer 200 270 Win and 3100 fps/140 gr. It has a 25.5" barrel. I never loaded 150s so I can't say about that. So I still don't see 400 fps unless you're comparing your 270 Wby handloads (or factory) in a 26" barrel against the standard factory velocities for the 270 Win in a 22" factory barrel.[/QUOTE
Not compareing anything, just stating what I got out of my gun. I don't think there's 400 fps diff. I do think its a great round, sort of a small STW.

nyrifleman,

Lex just built me a Strata in .270 Wby, finished it last October and took it to Alberta in November... very impressed with the quality of his work + the overall lead time, also shoots better than MOA w/a couple of differnt factory loads... won't be the last time I'll be in touch w/Lex

I've had 3 rifles in .270 Roy, my favorite caliber...

Regards,
Craig Nolan

My wife's stepfather used to shoot one in south central NM until he discovered the 9.3 x 62...

Craig,

What bbl length did Lex build for you? Any chronograph results?

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Unquestionably a fine cartridge that can only be improved upon by adding .007 to the bullet diameter and attaching the Remington name.

Interesting that nobody mentions using 150's or 160's. With heavy bullets the 270 Weatherby far outclasses the 270 Winchester and is on par with the 7m/m Remington magnum.

The best powder I found was IMR 7828, and in my 26" barrel it produced 3350f/s with the 140 grain Barnes XBT bullet. I parted with that rifle because it couldn't do anything Remington's big 7 wouldn't do for less money.

"tell me about the 270wm"
Comes with a kind of prestige that makes no economic sense or field performance difference to the more common 7mmM, but that didnt stop me having one for over a decade.
- would not intentionally plan to build one....would just a case of what I felt like at the time.

ny,

26" barrel, Lex did chrono's for factory 130 tsx and 150 np's, can't find the reports; the 150's were in the 3225-3240 range, the 130's were in the high 330's to 3400 if I recall correctly. I remember thinking that they were very close to the factory-advertised ballistics...130's shot .40 moa, the 150's about .75....

I shot both deer in AB this year w/ the 130's, first time I've ever used them, as I prefer the 150 np's...performance was to be expected, 2 very dead deer. I'd intended to shoot the 140 accubonds, but they wouldn't shoot worth a damn in this rifle, for some reason, go figure...I've got rifles w/22", 24" and 26" barrels, don't think there's a damn bit of real world difference in how a 26" tube handles as compared to the shorter tubes..

Regards,
Craig Nolan

nyrifleman,

found the reports that Lex did after he built my rifle; 150 np's averaged 3,227 fps, the 130 tsx's averaged 3,428 fps...

Regards,
Craig Nolan

Thanks Craig!

I have had and still have several 270 wbys. They have all shot well, but it seems that the 'other than Weatherby' rifles I have experience with have had very inconsistant chamber dimentions. The bullets that have performed very well for me from an accuracy and terminal performance standpoint are Sierra 140 grain HPBT Gameking, 130 and 150 grain Nosler Partition, 110 grain Barnes TSX, Swift 130 grain Scirrocco. My favorite would have to be the TSX. I have yet to find one remaining in a fallen beast, they shoot sub-MOA in all three of my current 270s, and they are a "laser" to 350 yards. RL22 and Fedral 215 primers are magic in this case with nearly any bullet.

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Compared to the 270 Win., it needs a longer bbl, uses a lot more powder, ammo is very expensive (if you can find it) has a LOT more muzzle blast and recoil...

Pretty much why I go with the standard .270 over the 7MM Rem Mag.

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Pretty much why I go with the standard .270 over the 7MM Rem Mag.

and if the victim is whitetail deer this is a fine decision!

I've never owned a 270 Weatherby Mag with a 24" barrel, but really like the way it performs in a 26" Mark V. Reaches waay out and slaps 'em flat.

I have had some experience with a 7RM (24"), 3 different 264Win Mags (22", 24" and 26") and a 22" 270 - and prefer the 270 Weatherby with the 264 Win Mag a close second. YMMV --

I am taking my .270Weatherby to africa here in 42 days...I shall give all a little report

pre-64 with 27" Lilja barrel + Jewell trigger

I have a lovely Mark V in .270 Wby. that I have never shot. It seems to be some factory custom model. It has what appears to be upgraded wood that looks like English Walnut and a factory checkered bolt knob. Anyway it is a 24 inch barreled gun. I bought it at a gun shop as used but it is in near perfect condition. I have never even scoped it. I have a 7mm Rem. Mag. and really don't "need" it. It is pretty though.