Been offered a used Blaser standard barrel for £250 or USD 340 thereabouts

Been thinking about it and cannot quite get myself to commit

Just fancy something different other than the usual calibers 308 243 without being kicked around

The only thing that bugs me is the factory barrel length

Me think its a bit short to benefit from its full potential

So anybody shoots a shorty 25-06

Does it defeat having that long column of powder behind the bullet ?

What is the barrel length?

58 cm ....

For the metrically-challenged, that's about 22.83 inches.

I certainly prefer a longer barrel in a .25-06, but a barrel of nearly 23" won't be a big handicap with a .25-06. Put a moderator on it and enjoy.

I just bought a barrel in 25-06 my for my Sauer 202 and it’s only 56cm. (22.04”). Comparing a 22” with a 24” barrel you will only lose about 50 feet/per sec. or so !! Nothing to worry about....(you will never notice the difference). My buddy has been using his 22” barrel in 25-06 for years and it’s fast, deadly and very accurate.

I'd would not want a 25-06 with a barrel shorter than 24". I have two, one 24" the other a custom 26".

You are exactly the person I would like to speak to

Does that extra few inches give you the speed to make the 25-06 shine ?

You will gain 25 feet/per sec. tops per inch that’s it...so........you do the math !!!

Ingvar

I hear you loud And clear

I just want to hear from folks who has long barrels and their side of the story

I hope this is permissible on this forum

I have two a parker hale with 24" and a Winchester with a 26" barrel. 120 and 100gr bullets that I use go almost to the same point of impact 100gr are about 1/2" low. @ 100 yrds the velocity's are with in a few feet.
the most noticeable result is the amount of muzzle blast. I think a shorter barrel may give out more.
Dave

Might as well go with a 257 Roberts in that length. Classy cartridge too!

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You will gain 25 feet/per sec. tops per inch that’s it...so........you do the math

I had a 26" that got rust in the tip of the barrel. Cut it back to 22". Depending on bullet lost between 90-130fps. Loaded to equal pressure a Roberts will be about 100fps lower.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Might as well go with a 257 Roberts in that length. Classy cartridge too!

+1

To say you gain or loose a certain amount of velocity for every inch is like saying a 14 year old will only be so much faster than a 13 year old! Alas, kids and barrels are all different. Unless you are shooting more than 400 yards it really doesn't matter much anyway. If you like the rifle, get it.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Might as well go with a 257 Roberts in that length. Classy cartridge too!

+1

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Down at the narrow end of hunting calibres the cases in the 2-2.25" lengths seem about right for propelling normal length bullets. The 243 and the Bob are classic. Around .27 the '06-case becomes a capacity of choice, giving us the 270, 280, and 30-06. From .30" I would choose the Ruger case. But it is new and the 338Win does it all. It's how I see cartridges and cases growing up. There is plenty of room for specialty rounds.

I've owned several 25-06 rifles in my lifetime......all with 22" barrels and all quite adequate for my interests.

If I was to build another it too would have a 22" barrel.....the need for long barrels is purely emotional.....not a realistic usable extra to be had here.

i too would rather have a longer tube, but a nice rifle is a nice rifle.. tj3006

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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill

An interesting quote to attribute to the father of the British Socialized Medicine system. Churchill's legacy will eventually doom Great Britain as they struggle with what to do with all of the old people it has led to. Harrumph, harrump!

I hvae just bought a Sauer 202 and specified the 24" barrel. Have only tried 75,87 and 90gn projectiles so far but none have shot their best when pushed to maximum velocity. Accurate nodes were all at velocities that could easily be reached in a 22" barrel with a slightly heavier powder charge.
Heavier pills might be a different story.

A 23" barrel is plenty for a .25-06.

I have an R93 barrel in that length and am very pleased with it.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I've owned several 25-06 rifles in my lifetime......all with 22" barrels and all quite adequate for my interests.

If I was to build another it too would have a 22" barrel.....the need for long barrels is purely emotional.....not a realistic usable extra to be had here.

What's the noise factor like with a 22" barrel? One of my .25-'06's has a 24" barrel, the other a 26" and they are still pretty loud.

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What's the noise factor like with a 22" barrel? One of my .25-'06's has a 24" barrel, the other a 26" and they are still pretty loud.

A shorter barrel will always be a few decibels louder than a longer barrel; of greater importance is that the muzzle blast occurs two to four inches closer to your head, which adds to the effect and compounds the louder blast to make a significant difference.

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Originally posted by Bushchook:
I hvae just bought a Sauer 202 and specified the 24" barrel. Have only tried 75,87 and 90gn projectiles so far but none have shot their best when pushed to maximum velocity. Accurate nodes were all at velocities that could easily be reached in a 22" barrel with a slightly heavier powder charge.
Heavier pills might be a different story.

Notice you said accurate node velocities. Those same velocities in the shorter barrel may not be as accurate. It's not only the weight of the bullet that influences the barrel harmonics, the powder burn rate does too. Not that I advocate it, but this is where the Browning Boss muzzle device comes in handy. You can fine tune your load.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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What's the noise factor like with a 22" barrel? One of my .25-'06's has a 24" barrel, the other a 26" and they are still pretty loud.

A shorter barrel will always be a few decibels louder than a longer barrel; of greater importance is that the muzzle blast occurs two to four inches closer to your head, which adds to the effect and compounds the louder blast to make a significant difference.

The laws of physics can't be denied....that said the noise of a 25-06 (or even a .270 from a 22" barrel) has never bothered me much.

IMO it's simply another excuse for folks to fall in love with their longer barrels.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill

An interesting quote to attribute to the father of the British Socialized Medicine system. Churchill's legacy will eventually doom Great Britain as they struggle with what to do with all of the old people it has led to. Harrumph, harrump!

The British health care system was founded in 1948.....several years after Churchill was forced from office.

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The laws of physics can't be denied....that said the noise of a 25-06 (or even a .270 from a 22" barrel) has never bothered me much.

IMO it's simply another excuse for folks to fall in love with their longer barrels.

The amount of decibels a cartridge generates depends on (at least) four factors: 1. bullet weight, 2. burning rate of propellant, 3. expansion ratio of cartridge case, and 4. length of barrel.

A lot of my rifles have 22" and sub-22" barrels, but they compensate in other ways. Most of my .40"+ caliber rifles have 22" barrels because they are much handier to use in thick cover. My Mannlicher stocked carbines are calibers like 6.5X54, 7X57, 8X60, 9X56, 9X57 and 9.3X64. No 7X64's or .270's with short barrels for me!

In my experience, it is not the shooter who suffers from the excess decibels, but his hunting companion or the innocent by-stander at the rifle range.

has anyone actually used a decibel meter to measure the actual differences?

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

quote:

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill

An interesting quote to attribute to the father of the British Socialized Medicine system. Churchill's legacy will eventually doom Great Britain as they struggle with what to do with all of the old people it has led to. Harrumph, harrump!

The British health care system was founded in 1948.....several years after Churchill was forced from office.

Vapo: You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Churchill instigated the move to establish "Socialized Medicine", but his party lost the election in 1945. While he was in the minority, the NHS was established, then he returned to power and protected it from the Australopithicenes in his own party. Here's an excerpt from the history of that period:

Although Churchill endorsed the idea of a national health system, his party lost the first post-war general election in 1945, partly because British voters didn’t trust the Tories to implement the Beveridge report. Instead a Labor government established universal care under the NHS in 1948.

Only three years later, the Tories returned to power with Churchill restored as prime minister. At that point, the NHS could still have been killed — and many members of the Tory party, not to mention the British Medical Association, were eager to do so.

But Churchill asked Claude Guillebaud, a Cambridge economist, to head a committee to study the performance and efficiency of the NHS. The Gillebaud committee found that the NHS was highly effective – and needed additional funding to insure that effectiveness would continue. There was no more talk of dismantling the very popular service, and instead the Tories under Churchill and his immediate successors allocated more money to build additional clinics and hospitals. Even Margaret Thatcher, the most ideological Tory prime minister of modern times, promised voters that “the NHS is safe in our hands.”

Stonecreek,
Thanks for the info.....as you're aware.....I didn't know that
Vapo

Wow guys this must be the MOST Off topic thread ever

From 25-06 to the history of the NHS

Got to take my hat off

Never thought a casual link was possible between the 2 subjects

Ever thought about going on mastermind 2014 ?

Ok back onto topic

When I was offered this barrel for so little money I got suspicious

So I paid for somebody independent to bore scope it

Lucky I done that the throat has been toasted and the seller did not even know about it

So back to square one

I am still on the look out for something interesting

Medium long range cartridge

7mm something ....

I think anything over 20" will be fun and fine.

Much to do over nothing...in reality you won't see much difference in a 22 or 24 inch barrel in the 25-06 if you use the right powders..It has plenty of velocity with both especially for big game hunting. I have had both and like the .270 one was about as good as the other..I lost about 35 FPS with heavier bullets and it made no difference with lighter bullets as they were cooking at up to 3400 or more with both lengths, so the loss was zilch, but to each his own, its a choice, but I have a chronograph that is my usual guide to such things.

I have to agree with Atkinson on this, it's much to do over nothing!

My experience with the 25-06 is, because of case capacity and bore diameter the 25-06 24" tube will develop a little more velocity with slower scale burn rate powders but has a diminishing effect as you move to faster burn rate powders when comparing it to a 22" tube.

This ain't no general rule of thumb that can be applied to other Calibers and Case Capacities.

Take for instant the 6mm Rem, generally speaking, you would actually get close to maximum velocity from a 22" tube shooting standard powders for that listing, it's the same in 308 win. Bullet weight also has affect.

It's all got to do with peak barrel pressure and bullet velocity, and at what length that is achieved during the burn, after that you are simple pissing in the wind and past time the bullet should have left the barrel.

When the round reaches peak barrel pressure and bullet velocity it's time for "Elvis to leave the building"!