2.5" 30-06 action it's basically a AI case.

I think the m77s chamber 375 Ruger with a 20"barrel

If you are going .375 R why not just buy a African Hawkeye

Wise choice

I also would take a long look at the Ruger African in 375 Ruger. It now comes with a brake and a cap. You have the option to use the brake or not..Its handy for sighting in and working up loads at the bench..Damn fine handling gun and has irons and rings and bases...This one won't break the bank..

I also would not over look a Mauser In .375 H&H or Ruger..for a custom rifle.

BTW, there is no better trigger than the mod. 70 trigger, never has been and never will be for a hunting rifle..

Just for the record the case shape of the 375 H&H isn't romantic, its the fact that the taper feeds like goose grunt thru the action and if you stick a case the bolt will pull it out 99 times out of a hundred, Ive never seen the H&H case stick in an action and even the ones that blow in half come out easy at the shop run a mop in them and pull it out..Something that made the rifle famous,wasn't nostalgia, it was old timers in the DG hunting business that made it famous and they had their reasons that still hold today by those in the know and are open minded and not over read..

How a rifle feeds for North America is my concern, not Africa

Maybe I should just get a 375 H&H then

A 250 grain Barnes TTSX is Max loaded to 2850 fps. Basically 30-06 speeds. B. C. is 434, good enough for a 400 Yard shot.

Should hit elk slightly harder than a 338 Winchester Magnum.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
A 250 grain Barnes TTSX is Max loaded to 2850 fps. Basically 30-06 speeds. B. C. is 434, good enough for a 400 Yard shot.

Should hit elk slightly harder than a 338 Winchester Magnum.

I have both, Im concentrating on the H&H

Do a google search for both ammo, you will be amazed at the loads available for HH. Yes I handload.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
How a rifle feeds for North America is my concern, not Africa

Is there a difference????

It will feed better without the belt. BTW Last time I was in Alaska the Walmart in Kenai had 375 Ruger ammo on the shelf in more than one choice. My bear guide carried a 375 Ruger and said he always got his ammo at Walmart.

Thank you for your knowledge

375 Ruger recoil:

250 TTSX
74 grains RL-15
8.5# GUN

=45.77#s of recoil, Jack OConner didn't shoot much past 40#s. Brake for more precise shooting.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
How a rifle feeds for North America is my concern, not Africa

Your kidding right?

The recoil difference between a 375 Ruger and a 375 H&H is minute, almost the same. If you reload you can reduce recoil as much as you want.

BRNO 602, if you can find one.

I have a Ruger Hawkeye African in 375 Ruger with out the brake. I do not find the recoil objectionable but I will also use the PAST Magnum recoil pad when shooting from the bench. The African has the 23" barrel and the balance is very nice. For the money I spent $500(CDNN clearance) I couldn't pass it up.

The factory 270gr bullet has the same trajectory as the 180gr 30-06 or so I was told.

I shoot the 270gr round nose bullets that I picked up when Midway was selling factory seconds for a super cheap price. I have also worked up a pretty decent load with the 300gr Sierra Game Kings. That one thumps the shoulder a little harder than the 270gr load does but it will hit harder as well.

I'm not seeing where the .375 Ruger is more effective than anything the classic and well-established .375 H&H can do.

Sounds like a niche cartridge for a non-problem.

Griffin & Howe is finishing up a 375 for me now, on an Oberndorf action, if that might be of interest.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
I'm not seeing where the .375 Ruger is more effective than anything the classic and well-established .375 H&H can do.

Sounds like a niche cartridge for a non-problem.

It's a great cartridge, especially in this era of increased demand for short rifle actions. It and the 416 Ruger are two cartridges, that while they may not offer any performance increases over existing cartridges, are still worth a look because they work well.

And, like Biebs, I like that they fit in a 98 action with much more ease than does an H&H length cartridge.

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Originally posted by swampshooter:
It will feed better without the belt.

Interesting how that is possible since the .375 H&H is one of the slickest feeding cartridges of any kind, belt or not.

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Originally posted by Cougarz:

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Originally posted by swampshooter:
It will feed better without the belt.

Interesting how that is possible since the .375 H&H is one of the slickest feeding cartridges of any kind, belt or not.

Yep, my experience too. He must be talking about some other belted Magnum.

My .375 H&H BRNO is the stickiest feeding rifle I own. I've had jams with a .308 Savage 10FP and an old Argy Mauser that was converted to 7.62/.308 decades ago.

It's really about the set-up of the internals of the rifle's action (magazine and feed-ramp), not what cartridge is being fed into the chamber.

Plus, there's nothing 'magical' about short actions that justifies deviating from traditional magnum actions in terms of some identifiable performance gain "in the field."

Again, the .375 Ruger and similar others are just someone's *new & cool* niche cartridges marketed to hunters as the solution to a non-problem.

Budget - Weatherby Vanguard, push feed, 3 down

Good quality factory CRF - Winchester Model 70, only 3 down though.

Best value, CRF - CZ-550, 5 down

Best quality/value <$2K - Sako 85, 4 down.

M70, no brake.

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Yep, my experience too. He must be talking about some other belted Magnum.

My .375 H&H BRNO is the stickiest feeding rifle I own. I've had jams with a .308 Savage 10FP and an old Argy Mauser that was converted to 7.62/.308 decades ago.

It's really about the set-up of the internals of the rifle's action (magazine and feed-ramp), not what cartridge is being fed into the chamber.

Plus, there's nothing 'magical' about short actions that justifies deviating from traditional magnum actions in terms of some identifiable performance gain "in the field."

Again, the .375 Ruger and similar others are just someone's *new & cool* niche cartridges marketed to hunters as the solution to a non-problem.

All The Best ..

Man this mouth needs jam ! Could not have said it better

My solutions to the non problem

They all involve a ZKK 602 (or more)

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Originally posted by ar corey:
Going 375 Ruger

or buy a 375hh winchester ...

building is at least the same money at 32 times the time

A Mauser, a pre 64 mod. 70 or in a factory rifle Id opt today for the Ruger African in 375 Ruger caliber...Both the 375 Ruger and the H&H are great rounds, if your nostalgic go with a Mauser in 375 H&H,

I tend to be nostalgic and feel sorry for those that are not, they have missed a wonderful experience in their life.

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Originally posted by ALF:
My solutions to the non problem

They all involve a ZKK 602 (or more)

Alf, those are some real beauties there.

Going from top-to-bottom in your pics, can you identify what caliber each of those 602s is? Just curious. Thanks!

375 H&H ! Except for Rifle no 2 in the first pic which is a 358 Norma mag.

At one time, Duane Wiebe was making a replacement mag box for Win M-70's that allowed 4 H&H rounds in the mag, that would be my choice.

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Originally posted by ALF:
375 H&H ! Except for Rifle no 2 in the first pic which is a 358 Norma mag.

Awesome! Thanks!

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Originally posted by ALF:
375 H&H ! Except for Rifle no 2 in the first pic which is a 358 Norma mag.

Alf, did someone do custom work on the scoped .375? If so, who? Very nice 602 right there.

The scoped 375 was my very first 602.

It was a gift from my late father and it started out as a "de luxe" model 602
The only thing I changed from onset was to cut the stock down to fit me and the original Brno pad which in those days perished in short order was exchanged with a Pachmayr old english pad.

For many years this was my go to do anything rifle and it accounted for its fair share of memories and some good trophies. I got it when I was 13 and my secret to this gun was that it was all I shot in spite of having other rifles and above all I loaded to really low and slow.
it had less recoil than a 30-06 in this format !


It was in this format very very accurate as many who knew me at the time could attest to.

Then after many years of good use I got a bee in my bonnet about a short gun and I had Ginger van Zyl in Pretoria cut the barrel down, re crown and refit the front sight and his now late stock maker re stocked it for me.

That was a huge mistake because somehow after that the rifle lost its mojo for me !

Gone was the worn blueing of years of use, the scratch on the barrel and the ding on the stock when I fell on the day I shot a 61 inch kudu in the mountain at Thabazimbi in 1976, the little brass plate with the inscriptions my dad had put on when he gave it to me .

I did this after leaving Africa for Canada and somehow I "buried" a very dear friend with the hurt of having to finally let go of our game ranch in the Lowveld.

You see I to had a farm in Africa, at the foot of the Drakensberg.........

here you go
http://forums.accuratereloadin...1078981/m/2421010932

Factory Weatherby Vanguard $660

The 375 H-H is pretty easy to shoot with some practice.

I did most of my early African hunting with a Win. mod. 70 in 375 H&H..Later on I used larger rifles and I liked the 404 or 416 Rem best in Mauser actions..These days I would use a .375..My present and newest position is a Whitworth express in 375 H&H..its a mauser in English style almost. I never could tell much difference in it and any other DG cartridge, it killed everything I shot with it..

Cory a good rifle in Africa is a good rifle in the USA or china or wherever! what was your point.

I had a sweet M70 LH 375 until it was sadly stolen enroute to a gunsmith. I have a buttery smooth NH gun in 300 which would make a nice 375 I suppose.

My point was the probability of a charge in NA, while in bear country is minor if I am not hunting and therefore potentially wounding a Kodiak or silver back grizzly.

Pushfeed is plenty in NA if in bear country. If you lose your life because of a push feed then it was time to meet the maker early.

The 340 will turn a bear around and flee if fatally wounded. Head shots are tougher than elephant because the grizzly bounces when running.