Say you use the Sauer 202 (normal or TD) with the mauser case head dimensions, and want to change to the belted mag dimensions (eg you have a .243 and 7x64 barrel for example and want to use a .300 win barrel), is this possible by just using another bolt with the belted mag bolt face?

In the R93 and KR1 you change the bolt head itself, in the 202 you can't do this, so do you just buy another bolt then?

Man the 202 is sweet...but few years off for me!

I am pretty sure you would need a new barrel/bolt/magazine to make that switch. I have Sauer 202 that I bought in .300wm and on a whim decided to make it a 300wby. I believe I could also buy a Rem 7mag barrel and all would work with the same bolt and magazines.

It's a great rifle, the weight, balance, feel, smoothest action I've ever felt on any rifle. I just worked up a .300wby load for it to take my first elk in October. Dropped him with my first shot at 445 yards.

NM Elk Hunt

The one thing about it I don't like is the safety which at first seemed pretty cool. A little button you press down at the tang makes it safe with a button now extending just in front of the trigger. When you go to shoot you feel the little button, push it up to fire.

But, with it on safe the bolt is locked. So every time you want to take it off safe you have to put your finger right in front of the trigger with a loaded round. After repeating that process many times getting back in the truck on a management deer hunt it didn't seem like a smart design.

Still, I love that rifle....

-Sean

more on my sauer 202

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Kayaker, as ALF has said, if you want to move from an '06 based case head to a magnum round, you are into a whole new rifle to accomodate bolt and barrel.

Fantastic rifle otherwise.

Thanks Alf, Sean and Brian

That what I thought, although I did wonder if the new bolt, mag could be used. One odd thing...on their webiste, they group medium calibres (Mauser bolt head or close enough like the 6,5x55 and 9,3x62) and include .223 and the Mauser case heads in one group? Am I wrong, do the .223 class have a different bolt/receiver? (makes sense!)

Also, in the magnum grouping, the 8x68 (and 6.5 version) are grouped with the H&H case head cartridges, despite case head size differences...how do they over come this, or are the size difference small enough to not make a huge difference??

One last question...how do you work out length, eg if you want to get barrels for the '.308 family' and the '.30-06 family' (say my above example of a .243 and 7x64 barrel) do you need to make any major change or just barrel and magazine?

yes....the bolt into barrel system looks great!! I haven't even priced them in SA (R20 000?) but man, you could get a 9,3 (1,5-6x scope) with a .270/7x64 (3-9x scope) and have a very usuable rig that can handle everything!

Going from say a .270 to a .243 would be a barrel and magazine change only.

I was not aware that the 202 was offered in .223. Thought the smallest round was .22/250 precisely because of the head size issue.

I have a .270, I have always planned to add a 9.3x62 barrel and have a great go anywhere, do anything combo.

This one is mine and is very accurate:

Even more sadly, you cannot go from the '06/270 family to the 308/243 family without a bolt change as well. The short case barrel and bolt has one less row of locking lugs than the standard case.

According to J P Sauers' Handling and Safety Instructions the 202 can be had in what they call a mini calibre and they are the 222 and the 223. The smallest of what they call the medium is the 22-250.
They are great rifles.
Mine is an aluminium magazine tube model in 6.5x55, it weighs six and a quarter pounds. The mounts bases are integral to the tube and any Weaver style bases can be affixed directly to the tube.
The only negative is that, so far, I can't get it to outshoot a Tikka T3 in the same calibre.

kayaker, good responses so far, but having a bunch of these rifles, I can tell you there is a difference between the 202 and the 202 Takedown. I have the Takedown in three calibers, and they are all the same action/bolt. I have a 270, a 300 WM, and a 375 H&H---actually with two extra barrels--which will work on any of these rifles, a 7 mm Mag, and a 416 Rem Mag, each caliber takes a different magazine however. Notably the 202 Standard rifle (which actually can be 'taken down' quite easily with the supplied allen wrenches) has a different magazine length when compared caliber to caliber, in example, my 270 takedown has a good bit longer magazine than all of my regular 202 rifles in .270..........


I actually like the functionality of the safety, but as someone else posted, it is actually a little goofy, most of the time I instinctively push the safety on--by pushihng the button at the rear of the tang down-- instead of leaving it off after pushing it up in front of the trigger--it is incredibly smooth and silent though.......I love my sauer rifles!

Good shooting--Don

Fish,
Did you notice any difference in accuracy between the regular 202 and the takedown ?

Andre, no difference in accuracy that I could discern. After working up a load for each of them, all 4 of my .270's shoot sub MOA. I've got two that I had Serengeti restock, one of the lightweight synthetics and the Takedown.

The takedown has a slightly longer barrel and is a good bit heavier by the way. I took it to Kansas this year and shot a decent buck at about 280 yards, had just put the rifle back together that morning, and apparently impact point hadn't shifted much, the bullet went right where I was looking. I still think of you often when enjoying my Sauers, I really appreciate you turning me on to them.

Regards--Don

Well gang, I just unpacked my gear from my recent hunting trip, including my guns, and what a blow in the head. My most favorite rifle, and absolutely the most beautiful gunstock I have ever owned, on my Sauer 202 Takedown was shattered through the wrist. Air Tran and TSA screwing me mutually IMO. The rifle was packed in a soft case inside of a pelican double rifle case, as tough of a system as I can think of.

I include TSA in my hosing due to the fact that the case had been open after the initial inspection upon check in and my signature of the 'firearms declaration' that goes inside of the case. The reason I know this is that my wood stocked 202 Takedown was inside of the soft case inside the pelican case, and the Synthetic Sauer 202, my other rifle for the trip was inside the pelican case, but not in a soft case as well. When I just opened the case the rifles had been swapped around, the wood stock alone in the pelican case, and the synthetic inside of the soft case. I don't really know if it would have mattered, but my wood stocked rifle definitely took a beating during it's transit. It was dinged up quite a bit, and of course the crack through the wrist. I don't know how I'll ever get another buttstock only from Sauer over here in the states, it is a nightmare just to get a barrel (which I can't seem to do but every blue moon) or extra magazine, much less a new buttstock. I will call Air Tran later to see if it's just a lost cause, which I assume it is, but maybe my homeowners insurance could give me some relief????, I'm a life member of the NRA, maybe I'll shoot them an e-mail

Right now I think I'll just cry a little bit.....

Accra bond will make you a new stock.

Well Fish, just put it down to the price of freedom! I have repeatedly asked the question: "Why does the TSA need to open a rifle case when they know that a rifle is in there?" The X-Rays show it, and it has been declared, and certified unloaded, so what's the big deal? I am sorry you got screwed, but it agravates me that people can have zero responsibility for their actions, on the grounds of national security.
Peter.

Peter my sentiments exactly! I am amazed at some of the stuff that gets stirred around in my baggage when TSA 'inspects'

LD, who is accrabond? I've had a few 202's restocked by Serengeti, so I know they can do it, is that who you refer to with accrabond??

Thanks guys--Don

A little facts about the nice and wellmanufactured Sauer 202 rifles.

202 (normal not TD)
Standard reciewer:
222 and 223 special bolt and magazines
22-250 and normaly 243 special bolt with 1 row of lugs and shortened magazine
308 standard bolt with 2 rows of lugs and shortened magazine
6.5X55 up to 9.3x62 with normal caseheaddiameter. standard bolt with 2 rows of lugs, 2 or 3 diferent magazines crimps according to caliber.
THIS STANDARD RECIEVER IS NOT CAPABLE OF HANDELING ANY TYPES OF MAGNUM CALIBERS, OR CALIBERS WITH CASEDIAMETERS EXCEDING 30.06 TYPE

Magnum reciever:
handels Magnum calibers with length up to 375HH length and casediameter up to belted magnums, all on the same bolt, Magazine might vary according to caliber.
MAGNUM RECIVERS DOES NOT ACCEPT STANDARDCALIBERS


202 TD
is supplied in both long-standar and magnumcalibers
2 types of bolts and calibercoresponding magazines.


According to the safety, it is a discussed construction.
It is smooth and silent
It lacks the oportunaty to unload in a safe position.
It is extremly fast(you just put your finger(or a branch) inside the triggerguard, and pulls up/backwards, an in one mowement you both remove the safety and fires )

Can anyone tell me the difference between the 200 and 202 series Sauers? Externally, they look the same.
Thanks.

The 202 is a 2nd generation 200. The safety is moved from inside the trigger bow to the tang, the action is sculpted a little more but conceptually they are the same gun. The barrels interchange so I think the bolts may also. Magazines are the same.