ok people here is my question,hope i dont seem too dense because i fairlly new to the rifle scene,ok here goes-i have the following rifles
280 rem
7mmwsm
338 win mag
ok the question is i found a deal on a remington model 700 in 7mm remington ultra mag.
i am starting to reload,would like to eventually maybe do some distance shooting,but my question is would i gain anything over the rifles i have,by getting this rifle?appreciate any input,thanxs

You will never go wrong buying a new anything

Define distance shooting and its purpose...such will help in your quest.

No.

well i was hoping maybe for the 1000 yard mark but would be estactic if i get a decent group at 600-750 yards,maybe a deer at that far just to shut up father in law that IT CAN BE DONE!

Yes the 7Rum will give you a little more velocity and shoot a little flater. Doesn't mean it will group at 600-750 yds much less 1000. You want a rifle to group spend the $$ on the barrel and work over your current action.

Ream out a 7mag to a 7STW needs no action work (assuming it can handle the longer case) and it gives up nothing to the RUM.

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
No.

I concurr and for this reason.....
incredibly few shooters can use all the potential in the 7 WSM.....and while the 7-RUM is more on paper the only person that can use it is a rare shooter in deed.....maybe you're among them but I know that I'm not....

If I was to go to extreme long range shooting I'd have a custom built just for that job.....and ultimate speed wouldn't be the prime criteria.

Most of my magnums are gone now.....I just didn't get anything more from them even though they shot a bit faster.

Your current battery can be improved by smaller calibers and a .375 H&H.....but when it comes to .284-.338....you have it covered well and nothing in that range you already have will benifit much at all.

Look to a .264 or .25-06, or .375 H&H

You're missing a .30-06
Seriously, I doubt the 7RUM will do anything that can't be done with the 7m/m Rem mag or 7WSM. As stated in another post, spend your money on a good barrel and action work if you want long range potential. Something in 308 or 30-06 is about as large as one should go for 1000 yard shooting. Any .308" based calibre offers a plethora of bullets, plus plenty of long range specific bullets.

i thank you all for your information.
you verified what i thought.stick with what i have and get better with it.but i agree with vapodog,i do need a small calibre.would like to have a 375H&H.but still unsure about the small calibre,was thinking about 223 or 22-250,not the 264 or 25-06,but yah gave me more food for thought!and possiblly more toys for the safe!
thanxs again people.
still more replies welcome tho!

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Originally posted by tuffteddyb:
ok people here is my question,hope i dont seem too dense because i fairlly new to the rifle scene,ok here goes-i have the following rifles
280 rem
7mmwsm
338 win mag
ok the question is i found a deal on a remington model 700 in 7mm remington ultra mag.
i am starting to reload,would like to eventually maybe do some distance shooting,but my question is would i gain anything over the rifles i have,by getting this rifle?appreciate any input,thanxs

With a .280 Rem., .338 Win. Mag. and trade in your 7 WSM for a 22-250, you've got all your bases covered on this continent.

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Originally posted by tuffteddyb:
well i was hoping maybe for the 1000 yard mark but would be estactic if i get a decent group at 600-750 yards,maybe a deer at that far just to shut up father in law that IT CAN BE DONE!

Your 7mm WSM will shoot that far, can you? Instead of spending your money on a new rifle, if you really want to shoot 1/2 MOA consistently at long range, you need to send the rifle you already have off to a good gunsmith (not a general run of the mill gun plumber).

$600 will get you an action truing and rebarrel from one of several places. I'm happy with Pac-Nor. Pac-Nor will also rebarrel to wildcats that will fit your rifle action.

Now add stock work. Depending on what you have and what you need, pillar bedding, glass bedding, etc. Or, my choice, ~$550 for a McMillan model.

Finally, you need really good glass. Normal hunting grade scopes don't have the clarity you need for 800+ yard shots in varying light conditions. Depending on what you specifically need, expect to spend ~$800 - ~$1600. Don't skimp on the scope because you can't hit what you can't see.

Withmy 7mm Mag I shot to 600 yds accurately
It is no RUM either.

One can never have too many different 7mm caliber rifles of various case sizes...........

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about the small calibre,was thinking about 223 or 22-250

I have discovered that the .243 with 55 grain B'Tips will stand toe to toe with the 22-250 and with 100 grain bullets stomp deer into the ground all day long. It's one sweet and low recoil gun.....you might give up on the bigger bores all together.....

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Originally posted by cobra:
With a .280 Rem., .338 Win. Mag. and trade in your 7 WSM for a 22-250, you've got all your bases covered on this continent.

This is a good idea. FWIW. the 223 is no slouch either, and both will easily reach the 1,000 yard mark given the right twist and bullet.

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Originally posted by tuffteddyb:
...600-750 yards,maybe a deer at that far just to shut up father in law that IT CAN BE DONE!

Perhaps you would find better company at longranghunting.com? Oh, and don't forget to carry along some paperboard and a Sharpie to document that far off kill for the FIL.

vapodog
i NEVER even thought of a 243!
cool idea with endless amounts of possibilities,good for gophers to bears.
45 to 100 grain bullets.
probablly unlimited amounts of reloading data too!
i like it.
now only problem is talking the wife into it...
but it is easier to beg forgiveness than it is to get permission tho...correct???

1000 yd. Rifles aren't Hunting Rifles !. Their heavier specialized long range caliber efficient

target masters . Want to shoot long range ?, then purchase an entry F Class Rifle or Top of the Line

model in caliber of your choosing . P S You must hunt small bears if your using a .243 !.

About shutting the Father in Law up , why bother they just find something else to bitch about later !.

After all You stole his Daughter didn't you !. Smile enjoy the time with the In Laws , all the while

knowing if all things turn out right ; You'll be laughing last !!!.


Almost forgot about that 600-750 yd. Deer shot , I'm simply going to say this .

A good friend who I've hunted with for over 40 years and is a Fair shot , hit a coyote last year

at near 800 yd. With a 30/378 . It only took him 5 shots to do it ! . No wind doping flags fly in the field

and someone isn't spotting for you either !. Unless your an accomplished Sniper with proper equipment


keep realistic when hunting and know your limitations !.

ok,another queston doc224/375,so if i want to TRY a 1000yard shot,i HAVE to purchase a specialized rifle?
why wont a 243 with decent bullets and moderate range kill a big bear?seen them drop moose between 100 and 200 yards.havent personally done it.
also i wouldnt even attempt shooting at gome at 400Plus yards unless i could do it consistentlly at the range.i admit i new at the shooting game but i do keep within my limits.
appreciate your input tho thanxs!

One or two things to consider regarding a 223, they are cheaper to load for and when properly 'silenced' are incredibly quiet! They also come in small rifles and the 'silencer' only adds about 100mm to its length (the rest of it is overbarrel). This translates into lots and lots of quiet shooting! Just a thought.

Spend the money on a rangefinder. If you've already got that, make sure you have a nice scope. You can't spend $500 to square your action and rebarrel, then put a Tasco on top of it all. That ain't right!

Yes. If you got the 7mm RUM you could ditch the 7mm WSM. Then if you went to use the "Power Level 1" ammunition you could ditch the 280 Remington as well.

So now you've got rid of two rifles that will pretty much shoot anything and everything on the planet let alone North America.

Get rid of all the bits and pieces associated with the 280 Rem and the 7mm WSM and buy two top quality 'scopes.

Spend what's left on taking your son, wife, significant other, neighbour hunting.

Or just get rid of the 7mm WSM anyway before Winchester discontinue the ammunition and you can't give them away at any price!

7mms are excelent !
I have a 7X57 and a 7mm STW. if my Stw was not superbly accurate, i would trade it for a 7mm Rem mag.
All this talk of faster & faster cartridges
tends to irk me.
If you are a great shot, and that means you have done lots of shooting at different ranges,
or have had training from the military or a police swat team or somthing, you should keep your shots to 300 yards more or less.
and that holds true no matter the cartridge or scope you are using.
Now as for your next rifle, my recomendation is to get somthing that is easy and inexpensive to load for and shoot.
Look at anything based on the .308 case.
The .308 it self is an excelent choice.
If you want to shoot varmints then by all means get yourself a 22-250 or a .223.
Personaly I have no intrest invarmints.
The .243 sugjestion is a great one. varmints through deer. Little recoil fairly small charges of powder mean more rounds from a can.
If you are new forget about proving anything to anybody. Learn to shoot well.
Of course deer can be taken at 700 yards.
I am sure if I had enough chances sonner or later i could do it.
I poped a coke can at 80 yards with a 38 special once.
Possible does not make it a good idea.
...tj3006