I'm looking at an early 70's Winchester mod70 in 300 H&H mag. Appears unfired with box, manuals, rings etc. Very nice wood and red pad. Asking price is $990.

Is this a good price?

In my opinion, no. Not even close.

It's hard for me to think of a push feeder as being collectible, especially from that era. Most had ugly wood.

And, a 300 Holland in a pushfeeder isn't something that I'd find utility in.

If I was offered that gun at $400, I'd not buy it.

I agree with Stokes on this one.


Im a Winchester fan but I wouldnt even and never have looked at any bolt action made by winchester between 1965 and whenever they brought back the classic action.If you look hard you could probably find a pre 64 in that price range in the .300 H&H, but it wont be in as good of shape.


Cal30

No, perhaps half that if new, unfired (almost impossible to verify) with all original packaging.

Push-feed post-'64s are not desirable, especially at that price point.

George

I can't tell from the pictures if CRF or push feed. Description from the hang tag is:

Model 70 Sporter Magnum Engine Turned Anti-bind bolt 3 position bolt

Winchesters were all push feed after 1964 until what, 1990 or 1991 or so when the Classics came out?

A 70's in 300 H&H? They brought out the 300 Win Mag in 1963...did they even make the 300 H&H in the 70's ?

According to the seller, it's early 70's vintage. I don't have a serial #

Forget about it and move on. Not anywhere near worth that much money.

The warranty return card is address to US Repeating Arms Corp. which I believe wasn't formed until 1981

Open the box and confirm the extractor. You may have a pre-64 that has been in hiding.
If so. buy it.\
Frank

It's posted for sale on a local gun forum. I'm just viewing the photos in the posting. I have not actually seen the gun. From my research and the photos it appears to be a mid to late 80's XTR Magnum model but the hang tag definetly says 300 H&H magnum caliber.

Is it a great price? Yes, for the seller, if he can get it.

Push feed Winchesters may be nice, accurate rifles but they are in the toilet as far as prices go.

In my neck of the woods used push feed Winchesters are worth a lot less than a comparable Remington 700.

I have a push-feed M70a, in 7mm Rem. Mag. It's very accurate - especially for $250, including the scope. That's what Winchesters back then. I wouldn't recommend buying one now. For $990 you can find an excellent pre-64 on GunBroker or GunsAmerica.

I contacted the owner and he says it's a CRF.

Wapiti22


It maybe a crf, if it is the guy you are dealing with does not not know alot about them.

Especially the year it came from 1970-ish? That era would not be a crf.

I would suggest you request pics and then transfer them here and let a couple of us give a suggestion from there.

It does still suggest a premium price for something it is not (a Classic).


Like I said if you are set on a real classic in the .300H&H you will find one for what he is asking, In a pre64 Winchester if that is what you really want Id hold out for it...

Trust me if you look long enough you will find what you want.

I am a Newton fan and finding correct examples of them is really hard.But they are out there just gotta keep looking all the time.

Let us know what happens

Cal30

A new, in the box, push-feed M70 in 300 H&H? I'd buy that rifle for about $425-$450. It has to work as well as a 700, and it IS a 300 H&H...

Rich

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It has to work as well as a 700, and it IS a 300 H&H...

It would be as acceptable as a 700 in the same chambering.


Although I would purchase a 721 before the pushfeed model 70.


Just my opinion and taste on the subject.


Cal30

If the serial # begins with a G it's a push feed.

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Originally posted by craigster:
If the serial # begins with a G it's a push feed.

You are mistaken.

After filling out forms with the SN on my CRF M70 in.375 H&H a zillon times in the past few months, I can tell you most assuredly, the first letter in the serial number is a "G".

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Originally posted by Duckear:

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Originally posted by craigster:
If the serial # begins with a G it's a push feed.

You are mistaken.

After filling out forms with the SN on my CRF M70 in.375 H&H a zillon times in the past few months, I can tell you most assuredly, the first letter in the serial number is a "G".

When was your rifle made? Winchester used the G prefix on M70s from '69 to '91. "Post '64s" began at the end of '64. Serial #s were skipped, production in '64 began at 700000.

Model 70 classics also have G-prefix serial numbers, or at least did when introduced. I do not know the current numbering scheme.

Having not seen the rifle, I won't guess as to what it is.

I will say, though, that anyone who expects to find an older factory original .300 H&H of either Winchester or Remington make in nice condition for $400 or $450 is smoking some powerful stuff unless they are awfully, awfully lucky.

Try more like $675 and up, sometimes WAY UP.

I suspect the gun COULD be a push-feed Model 70 which was part of some special run or another, made for some organization or major dealer. And if it is, it will undoubtedly have some little bit of collector value already, and maybe will have a lot more in the indeterminate future. As times got tough for Winchester, they jumped through lots of hoops trying to sell guns.

Or, it could be just some piece of scam put together from parts.

One never knows until they look at it and then do some research. Sometimes one stumbles across real oddities which later turn out to have been great buys or potential buys. It never pays to pass up such stuff without considerable thought & study.

This M70 XTR sold for $626.00.. I almost bought 1 at close out but didn't.

http://www.gunauction.com/Sear....cfm?ItemNum=9549243

And great buys like that do come along every once in a while. But I sure wouldn't count on finding one for $400-$450. It could happen, but not when you're actually looking for one the great majority of the time. It's one of those "carpe diem" things....

I would also not expect to find a nice Pre 64 in 300 H&H on Gunbroker for under $1500.

Bottom rifle is my winchester push feed 300 H+H from the early 80's -- I think 1982. Nothing wrong with it at all -- shoots great. I paid $400, for it then. Notice the pretty nice wood.I actually prefer push feed to CRF.

I am positive you guys would love to buy it for $400 to $500 --- but that would not buy mine!

The serial number is G1901XXX which best I can find puts it late 80' or even early 90's

Didn't the Winchester Custom Shop make a limited run of CRFs in the late 80s/early 90s, right before they introduced the Classics?

U.S. Repeating Arms did make a limited run of Model 70's in .300 H&H Magnum. I believe it was in the late 80's/early 90's time period. These guns had either special checkering or perhaps it was special wood. The run was very limited. Shortly after that they made the .300 H&H in regular production. I believe it was the XTR Model 70. These were all push feed guns. A friend of mine ordered one new from me, and he still has it. It caused the worst wound channel I have seen on a White-tailed deer, but that is another story. Some years later I was talking to Bruno Pardee, who at the time was in charge of the Custom Department at U.S. Reapeating Arms, he mentioned that they only made afew hundred regular production Model 70's in .300 H&H during the above time frame.

$990 is far too much for a push feed M-70......but I disagree with folks on this point....the push feed Winchesters are very fine guns.....far too much value is placed on the CRF feature.

The seller acknowledeged that it is a push feed. It has very nice wood and the serial # puts it at late 80'.

The new Model 70's are the best Winchester has ever built. I have tried the pre-64's, the push feeds in the 1970's and 1980's, the CRF's made in New Haven and now the CRF's made by FN in South Carolina.

I have owned about 40 of these over the years.

By far, the new ones are the most accurate and reliable out of the box of any I have shot.

I sent a couple to Hill Country Rifles to "accurize" and they shoot 1/2" groups with a variety of factory ammo.

Best of all, you can buy the new ones for under $1000 all day long.

Don't waste your money on old guns. The new ones (Winchester, Savage, Remington, CZ and others) are better made and more accurate.

The same goes for optics. I upgraded from 15 year old Leupolds recently to the new ones - amazing difference. Old optics are a hinderance. Sell the old ones on Ebay or ARbay and buy new.

At that price level, think about a brand spanking new FN M70. Might have to go with .300WIN or .300WSM magnum, though.

Is Winchester currently producing a 300 H&H?

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Originally posted by wapiti22:
Is Winchester currently producing a 300 H&H?

no

Maybe with enough encouragement they will someday.

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Originally posted by Bo Rich:
U.S. Repeating Arms did make a limited run of Model 70's in .300 H&H Magnum. I believe it was in the late 80's/early 90's time period. These guns had either special checkering or perhaps it was special wood. The run was very limited. Shortly after that they made the .300 H&H in regular production. I believe it was the XTR Model 70. These were all push feed guns. A friend of mine ordered one new from me, and he still has it. It caused the worst wound channel I have seen on a White-tailed deer, but that is another story. Some years later I was talking to Bruno Pardee, who at the time was in charge of the Custom Department at U.S. Reapeating Arms, he mentioned that they only made afew hundred regular production Model 70's in .300 H&H during the above time frame.

Bo,
I was told that it was a very limited production in 300 HH. I was also told that it was an updated stock. Really did not matter to me as I always wanted a gun in that chambering. Mine is an XTR and it really is a nice shooting gun. I think the push feeds are smoother cycling than the CRF guns.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
$990 is far too much for a push feed M-70......but I disagree with folks on this point....the push feed Winchesters are very fine guns.....far too much value is placed on the CRF feature.

I was once a CRF snob. However, I have found great value in some PF Winchesters lately.

(It was a 12 step program, I'm still recovering).