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Some folks do not like old threads being brought back. So, I started a new one. There was a thread about what would be your next medium bore. In the true med bore range the 358 STA has held my eye since youth. But there are not a lot of rifles out there. I have 3 375 Rugers. Before we knew about the 358 STA l, we whispered about the 7mm STW as the cartridge that should have been what the 7 Rem Mag became in 62. I have joined a lease in W.Ky with soybean fields that would make Keith Jarrett proud. The 7mm came back in my mind. I like the 375/8mm Rem based cartridges B.C. from a pure ascetic stand point I love long straight cartridges. I just won the auction on GB on a Model 70 Classic SS action and barrel that has been duracoted. The rifle sets in a dark green Brown Percision Stock. The barrel is 26 inches. Now, the question is 168 or 175 Long Range Accubond? What say the body politic. | ||
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funny I was looking at some 70$ a box 7mm STW ammo today. 160 is a favorite in the 7 mag so that 168 wouldn't be a bad choice in the STW. | |||
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Try both and see. Not much difference in weight between them. Very popular cartridge here. I have built quite a few rifles for the 7mm STW,and all have shot extremely well. Actions of choice are Remington 700, various Sako and some Weatherby Mk V. | |||
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You're going to love it! I now have a Rem 700 and Weatherby Mark V chambered in 7mm STW. Now I just need to catch up and get myself a 375 Ruger...CDNN Sports has a Lefty one for $599....  "Let me start off with two words: Made in America" | |||
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I agree the Model 700 action is the most popular action for not only the 7mm STW but cartridge customizing bolt action rifles. Everybody who calls themselves a gunsmith works on the Model 700. The Model 70, not so many people are working with. I could have got in cheaper w a Model 700, but I like the Model 70. Really all Masuer 98 type actions. There were a few Winchester, Repeating Arms, custom shop Modrl 70 STWs in various styles that was made. Between the Model 700 and 870, one wonders how Remington ever went bankrupt. | |||
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there is no wonder about it. they sucked the life and every dollar possible from the business by making sub standard guns and trying for maximum dollars at the retail end. | |||
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Assuming that whitetails are your target I'd opt first for the 150 grain Accubond LR. It will be flatter to the greatest yardage that you should be shooting at a deer, will carry ample energy that far, and will kick a tad less. Also, the 168 and 175 LR's may require a tighter twist than your barrel (depending, of course) in order to maintain their stability out to extended ranges. | |||
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Well, the seller has never sent me the cost of shipping or where to send payment. I have emailed him through Gunbroker we will see. | |||
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I built a similar rifle for a friend a couple years ago in 7mm Dakota. Well balanced cartridge close to the STW in performance. He used the 175 ELDX and had excellent results on a good sized bull elk on the far side of 600 yards. Tight behind the shoulder and it made 30 yards before tipping over. Shoot straight, shoot often. Matt | |||
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Praise the All Mighty and pass the Accubonds. My FFL dealer and the seller were having issues, but all has been resolved. I have a VX5 3x15 with fire dot just waiting. I have always used Leupold Dove Tail Mounts. Would I gain anything with Tally? I think I could get a little lower scope mount with Talley. | |||
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I have to say that I like the cartridge and everything you're saying (although I don't own one). I'm opting for the 175 LR AB's since I've seen how they perform in other rifles (Mine is a 28 Nosler). Your taste in optics is good too. I just bought the same scope for another rifle of mine and need to track down yet another. Have fun! Zeke | |||
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Guys i have been on this site a long time, and have shot a bunch of rifles, I am jumping in here to tell you of a rifle i owned a few years back and sold it. It was a stock model 70 Classic wood and blue steel. I have never seen a more accurate big game rifle in any Caliber. I once Put 3 160 grain Accubonds into .17 at 100 and followed it up with .22. A couple of weeks later with witnesses i called the shot and Vaporized a plastic thumb tac that was holding my Target at 100 yards. No Bull. Probably should have kept it, but i dont think i have ever shot a buck farther than maybe 250 yards. So i like .308 .257 Roberts 7x57, better. Thats just me though. powder was RL25 and Federal Match mag primers. 3225 for velocity ! | |||
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Mr. Roberts : No issues here my 270s are more than accurate. I have littered the sub forums with my love of them recently. Most probably cuss when they see my post on them. I also have not shot a deer or any other game past 150 yards. Most have been right off the barrel. All have been off the end of the barrel save 4. I love rifles and cartridges. I have a love affair with long cartridges. Maybe it is because I married a beautiful, but short woman. I want to have one of everything. With this lease, I can honestly justify, but do not need, a true flat shooting magnum. The 7mm STW was the cartridge we all dreamed about in my neck of the woods. I can know afford one, and I bought one. That class of cartridge is checked off my list. I could hunt 90 percent of the world with a 30/06 or 270 Win. However, I ask what is the fun in that. I have shot beaver with a 458 Lott. Not everyone needs or should be me, but I hope this explains me. No, I have little use for the 6.5 Creedmore crazy. Now, the 26 Nosler. Wait! my wife might see this. Everyone have a Merry Christmas. Rest, Drink a little more than lightly, Eat a lot, love your family. Trust me they may not be around much longer. Hunt if you can. At least, get some shooting in. | |||
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I don't think you gain anything with Talley's. I am a big fan of Leupy dual dove tails. I also like the Burris rings with the plastic inserts in Weaver style bases. Love those inserts never a scope ring mark again. As far as bullet, weight...if you have 7 STW use the 175 LR AB. High BCs are almost always better than a 75 fps in velocity. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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AL Heym Make sure you Find some federal magnum primers ! They added 120 fps, over any other primer i tried ! | |||
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Thank you for the recommendation. I will buy a box of 1000 this weekend. | |||
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I use Fed 215's in just about any case with ≈80 gr volume and above or Rem 9 1/2 Magnum's, with ball powder's especially...they just seem to be more consistent. They will increase the velo usually, but the amount varies with many factors. Best way to decide is to try the same load and vary the primers while chrono'ing. Velo can vary which will also change accuracy. One test I did way back with a 22 cal extremely accurate varminter/benchrester went from a bughole 5 shot group to 1 1/2" just by changing the primer. Definitely opened my eyes. The 7mm STW and 28 Nosler are two peas in a pod with almost the same case volume and performance difference hard to pin point, apples to apples...one belted and one slick-sided...BOTH excellent weapons. Good Hunting and Merry all   | |||
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The seller called and the rifle shipped today. Maybe by Saturday. | |||
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Very cool. I probably should have gotten a STW or at least the 7mm Weatherby when I went for the Model 70 Laredo in 7mm Rem Mag. It is heck of a rifle, and was ahead of its time, but it also hard to wring the true magnum velocity out of it. Then I looked at a couple of STW M70 Laredo's but I said I am not getting more things that I have to go get more dies and brass for. Primarily because I had been on a big campaign to reduce stuff. But the STW has to be fun. | |||
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I have a couple of 7MM Rem mags with which one I have hunted with quite a bit. I was looking for while for a little heavier gun to feel comfortable with at longer shots. Most of my guns are carry guns and set up to not weigh me down. The down side is they are more difficult to hold steady. Been reloading for 50 years and began searching for a cartridge with capabilities that I was looking for. I looked at the 7MM STW however what I found out is that i cold duplicate the performance with a 7MM Weatherby. I looked around for about a year for a deal on a Weatherby Accumark. Finally located a nice one for about $1,200.00. Max loaded it with MRP behind either a 160 Partition or Accubond and it spits them out at about 3240 FPS (Oheler 35). Mounted a new Leopold VX5 on the rifle and could not be more pleased. Shoots into 1/2" with either bullet. I am still a partition fan and I am not a 1000 yd. guy. Probably 500 at the most and typically under 400. This set up worked perfect for what I was looking for. Heavy but not too heavy. Basically light recoil due to the weight and a good projectile at a desired velocity. EZ | |||
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I strongly considered the 7mm Weatherby. A deputy has one on a Weatherby rifle. I agree with you about the ballistics of the two cartridges. The Weatherby may be a more balanced or better designed case. I do not like the lines of the Weatherby rifle. Simply a style thing. I am one of those guys who thinks a 30/06 and 7 Rem Mag are within a 100fps of one another with same weight bullets. I just am old fashioned and like long, straighter cases. May be it is because my wife is 5’2. I bought a box of 100, 168 grain Long Range Accubonds; a pound of Retumbo; and a Magneto Speed bayonet style chrono. This is going to be fun. The 168 BC is slightly better than a 30 caliber 190 grain from Nosler according to Nosler and Doppler verified. The tracking number says the rifle may be here by the 3rd. I would use normal 175 Accubonds, if I just had to shoot a Moose with her. Moose are what the 375s are for. Her name is Scarlett. I am going to have a hard time choosing what to take to Bulgaria next year. | |||
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I used to own a 70 Classic in 7mm STW. I used US 869 and got good groups using 160 grain Accubonds. Nice cartridge and shines at long ranges. Good luck. | |||
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I have shot a 7mm STW for several years now and consider it an exceptional chambering for all Deer and anything else in North America. My rifle is a Model 70 Lerado with a heavy Boss barrel. I put a 6.5 X 20 Ziess scope on it and it is a ragged hole shooter when the trigger puller does his part. I really bought it to shoot 140 grain bullets real fast but my barrel told me real quick it likes only 160 grainers. My load is H-1000 powder, Fed 215M primers. Recently I played with RL-33 powder and it shows promise also. It is a real bean field shooter for me, my son and grandsons. Too heavey for mountains. Good Shooting. phurley | |||
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Rifle is in KY. Due to my schedule I will not be able to pick it up tell next week. When I do she will be scoped and ready to rock! | |||
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The rifle is here and wears a beautiful Leupold crown. If anyone wants picks pm me iPhone number or email. If it does not ice. I will take her on a date Saturday. | |||
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Have a 7STW that was built almost immediately after Layne Simpson's article came out in Shooting Times. Basically a left-hand Rem 700. Rifle has performed excellently here in Colorado. Have had some complain (always complainers) about its recoil, but no problem for me. Accuracy varied quite a bit, but primary bullet for this was a 160gr Nosler partition. Kills very well. Isn't my only rifle (heaven forbid), but seem to always be pulled out for long range deer and normal range elk. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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I did shoot it last Saturday just 20 rounds to start and play with. Recoil mild. You cannot watch impact thru scope like a 270, but mild. It is nothing like a 375 Ruger. I can’t wait to get some time to really get work it. | |||
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I've been shooting the STW since the beginning, and although it varies I'm sitting with 4 right now. Between the 168 and 175 ABLR take whatever shoots. With mag box constraints it might be neither. Don't overlook the 150. You may find that they fly flatter and drift less than they are "supposed to". Don't try to figure it out; it'll drive you crazy. How far are you planning on shooting? Guys fall into the trap of gearing up for longest concievable ranges that could be shot while over-looking what will probably be shot. If you are shooting 1000 the 175 ABLR and 180 Berger VLD are good hunting choices. If you're not, a 160 Accu-bond is a heck of a forgiving 0-700 yard bullet in an STW. It always seems to shoot too. | |||
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First, I always wanted a 7mm STW. I found one set up how I wanted that I could afford. There are bean fields in this lease that maxes out at 700 yards most common I have only been on it since last year, but 300-400 seems most likely. I from math stand point like the 168 grain weight. I wish Nosler would make a 168 grain regular Accubond. If it works great. If not I think Nosler makes a 175 grain regular accubonds. | |||
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Heck, I think everyone should have STW or two. What I'm referring to is a trend of people to push into the most lightly constructed, special purpose bullets when they might be better off without them. That's fine for very long ranges, and there comes point when they are the only viable choice at greatly reduced velocities. That point is farther than you can see in your location. That makes the choice between a bullet that is ideal for farther than you can see and many fine hunting bullets that are ideal for what you're probably going to do. As far as I know they don't make a 175 7mm Accubond. | |||
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I bet you are right. I bet it is a partition. I am going from memory. I am one of those guys that prefer the Accubond to Partion. Both are more than fine. | |||
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If you built it right after the article came out, then you remember there being NO BRASS available ANYWHERE. I had to buy factory 8mm ammo and pull the bullets just to get the brass to feed my gun. I currently have a L/H 700 and a R/H Sako, but my first one was on a Weatherby action. It shot like crap. | |||
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With my first STW I formed tbe brass out of 300 H&H to get going. Hard to believe now; but at the time 300 H&H was easy to get. I probably have more brass than I'll ever use, but if I were ever stuck Id make it out of .300 Weatherby. Its like the world has gone upside down: | |||
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Had a unique source for some brass at the time. Did not have much, but enough to get started. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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