i must reload some cartrdige for a self loader caliber 9,3x62 with barrel of 20".
I want use IMR 4064 IMR 4895 and Viht135
someone have used this powder?

No, but I use Varget Powder...

Tom

excuse white bison,
varget powder is good for my short barrel (20""),
have you measured the initial velocity of your cartridges?

Having shot the 9.3x62 for many years and tested most of the available powders at one time or another, I have found the only suitable powder to be RL-15 with H-414 a distant second.

Ray I'd like to hear some of your RL-15 loads for the 9.3x62. I too have a reloading opportunity coming up for a 20" barreled bolt action project that is not yet completed but when it is complete I want to have a bunch of loads ready to try. I was thinking of RL-15, H414, and IMR 4064 and 4350 but please clue me in. I'll be using 286 grain bullets and may do some 250 grain loads.
Sorry to the original poster, no Hijack intended!

Artorius,

Am I correct that you are loading for an autoloading 9.3x62? Kudude

If you are reloading for an autoloader, I'd google loads for 35 Whelen. You'll find Hodgdon has data for this cartridge. I'd look at their data on pressures for various powders and bullet weights, and pick a powder that is in the middle or slightly below the middle of the pressure data and use the 250gr bullet info. I'd use this info for starting loads for my 9.3 project. However, on the whole, I'd be very leery of the project. What kind of rifle?? kudude

Hi Kudude,
Voere make an autoloader in 9.3x62, and recently H&K and Browning did the same.

Artorius,
I use N135 VV, from 52-53 grs for 293grs bullets to 56-57 fo2 286 grains bullets. Not hot but not too light.

If companies are making autoloaders, I'd load a factory duplication load with a powder and bullet weight in the middle of the European load data. Clearly the companies had to design the rifle to work with the available ammo. Kudude

quote:

Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Ray I'd like to hear some of your RL-15 loads for the 9.3x62. I too have a reloading opportunity coming up for a 20" barreled bolt action project that is not yet completed but when it is complete I want to have a bunch of loads ready to try. I was thinking of RL-15, H414, and IMR 4064 and 4350 but please clue me in. I'll be using 286 grain bullets and may do some 250 grain loads.
Sorry to the original poster, no Hijack intended!

Some RL-15 data for the 9.3x62 from various sources:



My load:

Date: 4/23/2005
Cartridge: 9.3x62
Rifle: CZ 550
Barrel Length: 23.6"
Bullet: Woodleigh RN
Bullet Weight: 286 gr
Powder: RL-15
Powder Weight: 58.0 gr
Case Make: Graf
Primer: WLR
C.O.L.: 3.30"

Chrono Summary (10 shots)
Average Velocity: 2,393 fps
Average Energy: 3,636 ft lb
High Velocity: 2,410 fps
Low Velocity: 2,372 fps
Extreme Spread: 38 fps
Standard Deviation: 12 fps

-Bob F.

No intention to speak for the much esteemed Mr. Atkinson, but he does push the envelope a bit and did record some velocities of near 2700fps with 59 grains of RE15 and a 250 Ballistic Tip out of a 26 inch barrel. YMMV, work up slowly and make intelligent decisions.

THANK YOU BOB!! YOU ARE DA MAN!!

There's two months of serious, steady load work summarized here. Fiften minutes with a pen and you have a solid base to work from.

Thanks again.

Rich
DRSS

I posted this in the reloading forum, but yesterday I got 2405 from 59 grains Re 15 and the Barnes 250 TSX from my CZ American. Absolutely no pressure indications.

Varget is next to R15 in my burning rate chart.
I suspect a lot of newer powders like Varget haven't as much data as the older ones guys have been using for years...
I don't have a lot of data to submit yet, but I find Varget a fine powder in lots of cartridges...and am thinking my 9.3X62 will like it a lot, too.
Tom

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
THANK YOU BOB!! YOU ARE DA MAN!!

There's two months of serious, steady load work summarized here. Fiften minutes with a pen and you have a solid base to work from.

Thanks again.

Rich
DRSS

You're welcome! BTW: The table I posted above is a jpg file. Just right click on it and save it to your hard drive for future reference if you'd like.

-Bob F.

what I just said...in spades!!

Rich
DRSS

Has anybody shot any of the 250 gr Accubonds 'cross a chrony? Any difference 'tween it and a BT to speak of?

Any performance difference on elk sized critters with the 250gr AB's vs the 250gr BT's?

Looking at using my CZ on an elk hunt and need to start working up the load before the HEAT hits here in North Texas.
Ron

quote:

Originally posted by verhoositz:
Has anybody shot any of the 250 gr Accubonds 'cross a chrony? Any difference 'tween it and a BT to speak of?

Any performance difference on elk sized critters with the 250gr AB's vs the 250gr BT's?

Looking at using my CZ on an elk hunt and need to start working up the load before the HEAT hits here in North Texas.
Ron

The 250 Accubond is going to be my elk bullet in my CZ this year. Just ordered a chrony F1. Should be posting results this summer. I'm planning on 2400 fps for light recoil and 300 yard max.

Try Ramshot Big Game. John Barsness gave this load out in Handloader I think it was a while back. My own experience with it has been extremely good with higher velocity than Reloader 15 and MOA (for 3 shots) accuracy.
Graf case
Fed 210 primer
65gr. Ramshot Big Game
286gr. Nosler Partition
Average velocity taken several times over a wide range of conditions 2425fpr out of a 22 inch barrel. SD single digets for all individual trials and less than 15fps over all combined data.

I also have had some luck with Varget and 232gr. Norma Oryx bullets. I don't think I will use them as they have a considerably high POI than the 286gr. Noslers and not nearly as accurate.

The load here was 63.5gr of Varget for about 2650fps. I am thinking about backing this down and seeing if at a lower velocity I can get a 232gr. load to hit at the same POI at 100 as my 286gr. load.

Snelstrom,
I am not sure what Befus means when he said that I push the envelope, my loads are about the same as the list Fawcett posted. What he does not take into account is that I am a fan of 26" barrels. Trust me when I tell you the 9.3x62 is one caliber that really benifits from a long barrel.

My loads are:
286 gr. Nosler 58 grs. of RL-15 2520 FPS (10 shot average)

320 gr. Woodleigh 56.5 grs of RL-15 2392 FPS (10 shot av.)in my latest rifle.

300 Gr. Swift 58 grs. of RL-15 2450 FPS (10 av.)

I don't recall the load that Befus refers to but several loads gave me 2700 FPS with 250 gr. bullets without signs of undue pressure. Also I might refer you to Nick Harveys reloading manual wherein he gets 2650 FPS with 258 gr. bullets.

If you really want to see a 9.3x62 cook, then load the GS Customs 230 gr. monolithic hollow point with H414 or RL-15 and it will shoot through an elk,Kudu, or Eland from any direction most of the time, and its fast, fast, fast..

Like Befus says always start 10% below any quoted load for any rifle, and work up to your guns max. I have seen 9.3s and other calibers vary as much as 75 FPS difference, all things equal. There are fast barrels and slow barrels.
Also, I use good Mauser, or FN actions. Many of the old European/English rifles out there might be a tad soft, or so I have been told, but that has not been my experience with the ones I have owned.

quote:

I don't recall the load that Befus refers to but several loads gave me 2700 FPS with 250 gr. bullets without signs of undue pressure.

This is believable.......and we know that often these loads can exceed 70,000 PSI.....please work up cautiously!.....as always!

I load 59 gr RL15 with a 286 NP and it only goes 2415 fps in my CZ. The best load is the one above by HunterMontana 65 grains of Big Game with a 286 North Fork goes 2470 in mine and will pulverize a bear. I have also had great luck with this powder in the .338-06 as well. Ray- you might want to try some of this, H414 is pretty sorry in my 9.3x62 don't know what the velocity was, couldn't get it to shoot good enough to care. I have passed the Big Game load to several here and it has always been stellar so far.

I've also read John Barsness' articles (and his postings on the 24 Hour Campfire forums) about the 9.3x62. As HunterMontana stated above, John is a big fan of Ramshot Big Game in the 9.3x62. I believe John is a serious reloader and hunter and his recommendations carry a lot of weight with me. RL-15 has worked very well for me and I just haven't gotten around to trying Ramshot Big Game in my 9.3x62.

However, let's not lose sight of the fact that a good 9.3mm 286 gr bullet, whether it's going 2350, 2400, 2450, or 2475 fps, is going to knock the snot out of most anything. (Given decent shot placement, of course.) Heck, Kynoch's 9.3x62 ammo back in the 1930s had a factory spec velocity of 2250 fps with a 286 gr bullet and I bet that ammo put a lot of game "in the salt". Get a good 286 gr bullet like a Nosler Partition, a Woodleigh, or a North Fork (to name just a few) going 2350-2450 fps in an accurate handload then go hunting and be happy!

Cheers!
-Bob F.

70,000 PSI, I don't think so Vapodog, all of these loads on these posts are listed in several reloading manuals. Sure approach with caution, but c'mon that 70,000 a little far fetched. Also remember that most velocities here are probably taken in 22 to perhaps 24 inch barrels. I load my 9.3x62 to the 50,000 PSI and I find that OK.???? I did state that perhaps some old European rifles should not be loaded this hot but I have not found it so in the ones I have owned. Same can be said in spades for the great 7x57.

Examp: Nick Harvey Reloading Manual list loads in the 2650 FPS with 258 gr. bullets out of a 22" barrel as I recall, so 2700 FPS is very doable in my 26" barrel based on that.

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As I recall several said the same thing about 95 grs. of IMR-4831 in the .404 Jefferys, yet those that protested loudly are now using that load. A load I got from Cameron Hopkins I might add.

I use 58 grs. and that is a load in many reloading sources, and as to the fellow that uses 59 then I can only say that I have gone a grain or two over most reloading manuals without poping a primer yet as they always have a safty buffer to keep away from law suits.

But whatever blows your dress up. I have yet to blow a gun up and have only stuck a bolt about twice in my lifetime.

All your expertise is fine and dandy, but I still believe that due to the variousness in guns and calibers it is best to chronograph, measure case head expansion, look for the signs of extractor cut, which is 99% of the time your first clue, back off from that a grain or two and reload and fire your chosen load as many times as the brass will stand it. When I do this I am pretty sure what I have.

Guess thats what makes a horse race Alf.

/

I thought this might be of interest.

-Bob F.

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Update: Handloads That Work
by John Barsness
Handloader Magazine, October 2004 - No. 231

9.3x62mm Mauser
At one time almost unknown in North America, this fine, old German "medium" is gaining respect wherever big game is hunted. With any bullet weight, RL-15 is a great choice. Try around 65.0 grains with 232-grain Norma bullets (if you can find them) for about 2,700 fps, 63.0 grains with 250s for 2,600+ and 59.0 grains with 286s for about 2,400 fps.

Ramshot Big Game is outstanding with the classic 286-grain bullets. Try around 65.0 grains for close to 2,500 fps in most rifles.
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BFaucett
If I were to try to work up to those loads where would be a safe place to start?
Gut feeling tells me start 3to5 grains under and work up, what do you think?
My 9.3x62 is just about ready at the "smiths" and I'd like to start loading some stuff for it for when it gets back home. It is a Zastava action (no Charles Daly marking) with a 20" lightweight barrel on it.

Cut back 10 percent and go fron there.

Alf,
Did you know that Kryptonite has the same properties as Jardinite?

quote:

Originally posted by Snellstrom:
BFaucett
If I were to try to work up to those loads where would be a safe place to start?
Gut feeling tells me start 3to5 grains under and work up, what do you think?
My 9.3x62 is just about ready at the "smiths" and I'd like to start loading some stuff for it for when it gets back home. It is a Zastava action (no Charles Daly marking) with a 20" lightweight barrel on it.

Snellstrom,

Ray's advice about backing off 10% is good, safe relaoding practice. That said, when I put together the table I posted above, I saw that a variety of credible sources were listing around 58.0 grains (57.5-58.5) of RL-15 as the load for 286 gr bullets. That looked like a pattern to me. So, on my first try I just used 58.0 grs of RL-15 with first a 285 gr Prvi Partizan bullet and then a 286 gr Woodleigh. Both loads worked like a charm. The Prvi load was a little slow so I bumped the charge 1 grain to 59.0 grs of RL-15 for right at 2400 fps. 58.0 grs with the Woodleigh is right at 2400 fps (my load data listed above).

So, I'd drop the charge 2 or 3 grains and then work back up. Assuming you're using RL-15 with a 286 gr bullet (and that you have a chronograph) when you get to approx 2400 fps (22-24" barrel) you're set.

I don't try to push the 9.3x62 beyond 2400 fps with a 286 gr bullet. If I want to push a bullet of around 270-300 grs faster than 2400 fps, then I can use my .375 H&H for that.


BTW, here's a couple of articles that you may enjoy:

The 9.3x62 Mauser
http://www.african-hunter.com/the_9_3_x_62_mauser.htm

The 9x57 Mauser
http://www.african-hunter.com/9x57_mauser.htm


Cheers!
-Bob F.

No point in pushing for velocity with the 9.3x62. That said, 59 grains of RL15 is not a hot load with a 286, much less a 250 grain bullet. It only chronos 2415 with a 286 Nosler. It won't chrono anywhere near 2700 with a 250 in mine. I'm lucky to pick up 100 fps with 250's so just stick with 286's. I'd agree with Ray that the load is 50000 psi, although I haven't hooked up the pressure trace to it and probably won't as it just barely pops past 2400 fps. Several, including John Barsness have reported 2650 or so with 250's as well at normal pressure, not near 70000 psi.

I got 2,405 fps over the Oehler with 59 grains Re 15 and the Barnes 250-grain TSX in Lapua brass with WLR primers. I'm going to step it up just a bit. Fortunately, this fine bullet is nicely accurate in the CZ 550.

has any-one tried the woodleigh ppsp 250gr, i want to try these on sambar deer and have picked up some rl-15 and adi 2208 (varget) to try. rifle is a sako 75.

cheers cc

A lot of 9.3x64 results from 9.3x62s.

I tried the 9.3x64 and was not at all impressed, at best it only got me an extra 100 FPS, no matter how I loaded it. Not to say its not a great caliber but it had more recoil it seemed to me, it was a pain to locate brass, and it took a bit more grinding to make it feed, not a terrible problem but the 9.3x62 is such a fine little caliber that just does its job in spades, on Dik Dik to Elephant.