Friend of mine is looking at a new Savage Mod. 112, in 300RUM, stainless synthetic, with factory muzzlebrake, and Leupold rings. (No scope)

A guy bought for a Western hunt, and didnt need it.

I saw the rifle, and must say, that it is a handsome, well balanced rifle, never fired, and he can get it for $525.00 out the door.

Anybody have this rifle, and if yes, how does she shoot??...Thanks in advance, as always..sakofan..

Oh yeah, it's a ADL..Damn!!

[ 09-05-2003, 03:54: Message edited by: sakofan ]

savage99..please define, "myriad of problems"
No, I'm not kidding. It's a nice looking rifle.
I'm the first to say, that I hate the look of some Savages. Especially, the laminated wood.
But, this rifle looks nice with clean lines..sakofan..Thanks for your response..

sakofan,

If you think a Savage 110-12 etc is a nice looking rifle I don't think that we can communicate with each other.

I will just relate one of the reasons that I returned the rifle. When I fired it with the factory Winchester 150 gr Powerpoint ammunition the bolt was very hard to lift on every shot so I stopped shooting the rifle. I wrote in my letter to Savage that "initial bolt lift was hard". To illustrate this I measured fired cases and also sent them unprimed brass. The head size rose .0025" to .003" on the fired bases just ahead of the extractor groove.

I also provided chronograph data that showed the velocity of the 150 gr 270 WSM factory load to be 3223 fps instrumental. This by the way is what Weatherby says their 7mm Mag does and is way over the published velocity of that factory load.

Savages response was not to answer that complaint but instead to change the extractor and polish the chamber!

Sakofan: i have a model 112 in 25-06. it is a great shooting rifle. i will say though, that $525 is pretty competitive with other brands. CDNN has Browning A-Bolts as well as Winchester Model 70 Classics both in the stainless synthetic version at $500. by the way......i thought an "ADL" was a Remington.

CDNN: 800-588-9500

Savage 99: i don't understand how the velocity of the round gets interpretted as a rifle issue. sounds more like an amunition or maybe a chronograph issue. also, did the action Savage took fix the problem with the rifle?

[ 09-05-2003, 16:50: Message edited by: bill smith ]

Although I'm not an expert, case head growth at the web of .003" would definitely get my attention. Looking at some ballistics tables quickly, I would say the ammo seems overloaded. I wouldn't be surprised that the bolt was hard to open. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, as you are the one who shot the rifle, but I'd look at the ammo first. Did you shoot any other ammo in this rifle?
I understand about Savage not responding. I had a Weatherby .270 Ultra light (Howa) rifle that I bought at a gunshow. It was beautiful. When I went to mount a scope the one piece base, when tightened at the rear, was off the action by nearly 1/8" in the front. (I'm not kidding, I save some pics of it). I sent it to W'by and they didn't even bother to mount the two different bases I included with the rifle and sent it back saying it was within specs. No more W'by's for me.

i had one incident with Savage that really turned me cold. i was trying to determine the maximum overall cartridge length that i could load for a model 99. i called them to ask what was the longest cartridge the rotary clip would accept. they simply refused to answer the question. they just kept saying that the clip was within SAAMI specifications.

now then.....i already realize that i could have discovered this answer on my own, which i did and it was pretty darn easy. but the point is that Savage refused to tell me the dimension on the product that they had manufactured. prettty poor customer service i'd say.

I tried to get by in the last post with a clear discription of a concern but it's just not easy to understand to others.

So here is some more information. When I first got this new rifle I looked thru the bore with my Wally Siebert bore scope after wiping it out with a clean patch. The tops of the lands were black in color, not just dark. A thread from a patch caught on the lands also. This was one of the complaints given in writing to Savage. They never answered it nor did they do anything about it.

Now if I had complained that the extraction was difficult when the bolt was opened then polishing the chamber and maybe changing the extractor might be appropiate but it had nothing at all to do with my complaint. My real concern was that the gun just would not group well and that it was may have been caused by a defective barrel. But Savage never even looked at that at least as far as I can tell.

The first rounds fired were with the factory loads mentioned above. It's obvious that the factory loads are too hot but I wanted Savage to know this and to address the dark lands. They did not. I did shoot the rifle soon thereafter with handloads when the dies came. There was no special pressure problems at all with my worked up handloads. The accuracy however with my handloads was only 1.5 MOA at best. The Winchester factory load shot into about an inch at 100 yds.

The complaint also mentioned that the stock was touching the barrel on the left side and of course there was a big space on the right. This was not corrected at all by Savage.

In summary they did nothing that was asked. Now this is a very cheap gun and not a lot can be expected. Therefore I admit that it's all my fault for buying one in the first place.

A rifle that is not pretty but it's looks are understandable is the Ultra Light Arms M 20 or whatever the number is. The rifle is not that artful but a machinest can look at it and understand why each form is there and why.

Sounds like more Savage bashing.Too bad your friend didn't buy that Savage !!! I have the same exact rifle and it is a tack driver. I'm still in the load development stage, but my best load so far has been .449 MOA . I can live with that, although I'm not done yet. I've found no difference in velocity with brake open or closed, and also no difference in POI with brake open or closed.

bowhuntr

[ 09-17-2003, 07:46: Message edited by: bowhuntrrl ]

It's not bashing when the facts are presented. Yesterday a friend who bought a new Savage 12 in 243 commented that the rifle will not stay sighted in. That the plastic stock keeps walking to the left, like mine did, and the rifle shoots left or right.

I have a Savage 116 300WinMg SS/Synthetic fluted barrel w/muzzle brake and drop box magazine that shoots some stuff and not others. Since I don't reload anymore I won't take the time wring every last subMOA group out of it but it does shoot Hornady 180 gr SST's in 3/4" groups even though the overall barrel length of 22"s has 2"s of brake out on the end. I bought it to use as a pig sticker and hunt other swamp monsters in NE Texas so I ain't worried about esthetics since it is butt ugly to begin with ... just will it shoot straight after I use it to paddle the boat and beat the dogs with...that I can clean up at the car wash... and it has so far! My wife just hates it when I clean my muddy guns in her kitchen sink.
Ron

Verhoositz...Peggy just doesn't want you or your ugly rifle in her house period! Just keep sending the check to the bank and all will be well.

[ 09-18-2003, 07:53: Message edited by: Harry ]

Harry...how well you remember!!! She Sings the Same Song now going on 36 years come December...you'd think I'd at least learn the lyrics !!! NOOOO !!! ... at least we've quit pulling each others hair out during most of the arguments. I'm going to take a lesson from her father I think. Everybody just THOUGHT he was hard of hearing 'cause he wore hearing aids in both ears ...but I swear he never put batteries in them. I told PV the other day as we started into it again that she sounded just like her mother...yadda yadda nananananana Yadda Yadda ...and that REALLY struck a nerve. Oh well I'm too old to start over....or maybe NOT!
Ron