Do any of you hunt with a single-set trigger such as this one sold at Brownells?

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx...t/SINGLE-SET-TRIGGER

I really like the idea of having a trigger with the option to "set" for a super light pull, or to simply pull it backward like a normal trigger if I need to make a quick shot.

I've never used a set trigger before, and would appreciate any advice you guys might be able to offer.

Thanks.

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I've never used a set trigger before, and would appreciate any advice you guys might be able to offer.

I've never used a single set but I have a double set and love it.

Seems a single set would be THE ideal trigger for an accurate long range big game and varminting rifle, especially when it's used for close game that would see a very light trigger be a handicap in the woods and in cold weather.

Considering the versatiltiy and quality of set triggers and our fasination with gimmicks I can't understand why they've never been popular in the U.S.

I have single set triggers on three on my firearms: two rifles (.223 and 9.3x62) and a combo. I have also used double set triggers. For normal hunting, when you might not have alot of time, the direct trigger works well, if on the other hand you have a few moments, say in a stand or after varmints, having a set trigger makes accuracy a bit easier.

Just remember when set, it does not take much for it to go boom. Lots of practice is in order BEFORE you go afield.

Good shooting,

Don

I have single set trigger on my CZ550s. It's great for sight in and I did use it once on a shot on a whitetail from sticks.

ES,

Have had 4 CZ's and 3 Sakos with single set triggers. One Mauser with double set trigger
I like them. IIRC both CZ and Sako SS trigger breaks around 9 oz. If you have the opportunity, fire one off the bench a few times, then fire a rifle with a 4 to 6 lb. factory trigger, the SS trigger may just ruin your day.
As stated above, if you are stand hunting or shooting off sticks or prone off of a bag or knap sack I think the set trigger will serve you well. That is how I do most of my killing, and the single set trigger works fine. My finger never enters the trigger guard until I'm locked on and ready to fire. Nine oz. ain't much pressure. If you are spot and stalk hunting and shooting free hand or making jump shots it might not work so well.

GWB

I have been giving some thought to the Browning A Bolt Target rifle which is advertised as having "set trigger." Not sure if any other commercially produced rifles offer such a feature, but for it's intended purpose may be a good arrangement. Rifle is offered in 223 and glad to see that Browning did use an 8 twist for most using such a rifle would be using the heavier weight bullets. Not sure why, but never been a fan of the A Bolt, but believe I'll wonder down to my local gun store and do some trading.

ES,

IIRC several years ago CZ offered a package deal on what they called their Ultimate hunting rifle it was chambered only in 300 Win Mag. This had a SS trigger as I recall.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products...imate-hunting-rifle/

At that time I think it was around $3k for the combo.

Do a google search if you are interested....

Package intact:
http://www.cabelas.com/lacey-g...ifle-300-win-2.shtml

without scope:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=297011585


GWB

What you describe is what Germans call a "rückstecher" (= push back trigger), where the trigger is pushed forward to cock. I like the system very much as it doesn't change the working/feel of the trigger when used normally. On the contrary, a traditional double-set trigger, while offering a nice hair trigger when cocked (by pressing the rear tigger), has a less satisfactory single mode trigger. To illustrate, here are my Sauer 202 in .30-06/7x64 and Blaser R93 in .300 Win Mag, both with "push forward" set triggers. Beneath is my Anschütz 1710 with classic double triggers.

My CZ527 American in 223 has a SST and I love it. As someone else posted, when set it only takes a breath to fire so be vey careful and practice a lot.

I personally really like both SST's & DST's and have them on many of my rifles.

Usually German Drillings or Combo rifles have the triggers with the front trigger as a Set Trigger with the "push forward" set option.

As mentioned above though there isn't any "free lunch" with either of the these triggers.

The Single Set Triggers as noted in the first thread and on Sauer rifles today are great when in the "set" mode and to my taste too mushy with considerable take-up when used without the feature; exact same with my DST .223 Heym. Great when used with the set feature but mushy and lots of take-up without.

For those who are prone to get alot of Buck Fever a Double Set Trigger occupies alot of space inside a trigger guard and requires a concentrated effort to ensure there's not an inopportune mishap 'cause several ounces of pull and two triggers inside a confined space could tend to difficulties for those not used to them.

I have a Kepplinger in a Ruger #3 varmint rifle.
It is one of if not the best triggers I have ever used.
GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTING!!!!

I had a Kepplinger single set on a Ruger #1 22ppc. Great trigger but the rifle was not even reasonably accurate. The inaccuracy had nothing to do with the trigger. The rifle and trigger are long gone.
I have a single set on a C Sharps 1885 falling block. It works great.

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Originally posted. <><:
[QUOTE]Considering the versatiltiy and quality of set triggers and our fasination with gimmicks I can't understand why they've never been popular in the U.S.

I suspect it is as much a liability issue as anything.

I know that for the common man off the street who hunts once a year and shoots at the range maybe three times a year, I sure wouldn't want him carrying any kind of set trigger in the woods where I hunt.


Think about it...how many yahoos do you see at the range, even among those who go there fairly frequently, who make you cringe when you observe their gun-handling safety?

How safe would you feel around those same folks in the woods if they had a trigger adjustable down to 2 ounces or, in some cases, a great deal less than that?

I think most gun company attorneys can visualize the effect that routinely providing such a trigger in America could elicit from a jury in a wrongful death/product liability trial.


Among rifles selling for , say, $2,500 or more, I can see them as being practical. Most folks who spend that kind of money on a rifle are serious shooters or hunters and will learn to use their equipment at least fairly well. Not all will, but most do. But on the stereotypical "common man's" hunting rifle? I'm glad they aren't popular.

I have a CZ 527 Hornet with the single set and I like it a lot for shooting from a bench.
They seem like a good idea but do not offer that much over a really good trigger for field use.

I've got a single set trigger on my heavy barreled .338-.378 Weatherby I use for long range deer shooting. I've shot lots of deer with it and set the trigger for almost every one. I think it is a Canjar and has about a 3-pound pull when not set, and a pull of a few ounces when set.

I think that for hunting they are, except in the very limited use of hunting from a tree stand, an abomination.

They are a real trap for the absent minded...did I set it? Didn't I set it? And can give risk to really unpleasant surprises in the gun being set off early.

With at best a "safe" miss and the bullet going into a safe backstop and at worst a pulled shot and the animal being gut shot.

They have no use outside of the target range IMHO.

I have had three CZ-BRNO rifles, 2x ZKK600 and 1 x ZKK601 and immediately replaced the single set with the BRNO "standard" trigger.

In my 270 Winchester ZKK600 I could shoot cloverleaf three round groups at 100 yards with that "standard" trigger.

For hunting does anyone really, practically, need any better accuracy than that?

Bottom line?

Look guys, if they were any use the Germans would have been fitting them to their ISSUE sniper rifles in WWII.

That they didn't says it all!

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
I think that for hunting they are, except in the very limited use of hunting from a tree stand, an abomination.

They are a real trap for the absent minded...did I set it? Didn't I set it? And can give risk to really unpleasant surprises in the gun being set off early.

With at best a "safe" miss and the bullet going into a safe backstop and at worst a pulled shot and the animal being gut shot.

They have no use outside of the target range IMHO.

I have had three CZ-BRNO rifles, 2x ZKK600 and 1 x ZKK601 and immediately replaced the single set with the BRNO "standard" trigger.

In my 270 Winchester ZKK600 I could shoot cloverleaf three round groups at 100 yards with that "standard" trigger.

For hunting does anyone really, practically, need any better accuracy than that?

Bottom line?

Look guys, if they were any use the Germans would have been fitting them to their ISSUE sniper rifles in WWII.

That they didn't says it all!

Well the bottom line is, just because you can shoot cloverleaf groups from a bench with no time limit and no pressure....DOES NOT mean you can do it when you're excited and shooting off sticks or out of a blind.

I don't know about you, but when I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a trophy animal....I get excited, my heart is pounding out of my chest, crosshairs might not be perfectly steady, etc...

I have made some less than ideal shots on animals because, I ended up "pulling" the shot....even with my 2 lb. "standard" trigger. I believe the probability of these less than ideal shots would be decreased with a single set trigger.

Your post did spark a question for me though: How do single-set triggers operate when it comes to being pushed forward and "set", but the shot NOT being taken? Does the trigger return to it's original position when the bolt is lifted?....or is it necessary to dry fire it?

just set the safety.

GWB

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:
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Well the bottom line is, just because you can shoot cloverleaf groups from a bench with no time limit and no pressure....DOES NOT mean you can do it when you're excited and shooting off sticks or out of a blind.

I don't know about you, but when I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a trophy animal....I get excited, my heart is pounding out of my chest, crosshairs might not be perfectly steady, etc...

I have made some less than ideal shots on animals because, I ended up "pulling" the shot....even with my 2 lb. "standard" trigger. I believe the probability of these less than ideal shots would be decreased with a single set trigger.

Your post did spark a question for me though: How do single-set triggers operate when it comes to being pushed forward and "set", but the shot NOT being taken? Does the trigger return to it's original position when the bolt is lifted?....or is it necessary to dry fire it?

I have at the moment a large number of rifles without set triggers....and about a dozen or so WITH various kinds of set triggers. I believe from many years of experience with both kinds that you will have far more bad shots caused in the field by set triggers than by the regular ones.

The reasons are exactly the ones you quoted...racing pulse, heaving lungs, nervous anxiety, all the physical manifestations of excitement.

Set triggers perform best when the shooter has everything under control physically and emotionally. When his thoughts are racing, breathing is rapid, and his muscles and nerves are twitching, then accidental, or not fully controlled contact with the trigger can set the shot off, whether intended or not.


I like about a 3 pound pull in the field AND on the target range because that last bit of pressure on the trigger actually helps me steady my shots.

The only exceptions for me are 300-meter free rifle shooting offhand, and benchrest shooting from a Ransom rest. For that 300-meter offhand I use 14-15 lb S&L free rifles with double-set triggers set at several ounces (NOT as light as they will go). It is still all part of me controlling the rifle, not trying to creep up on it and catch it unawares before it can move .

For comperition benchrest, I used two ounce or slightly lighter Jewell triggers...they are not set triggers, but they are very light and a person has to exercise the same care with them as he would with set triggers.


As to unsetting triggers once they are set, that varies with the makes and kinds of set triggers and safeties. Sellers of set-triggers and/or rifles equipped with them all provide clear, detailed instructions on how to unset them when the chamber is still loaded with a live round.

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Your post did spark a question for me though: How do single-set triggers operate when it comes to being pushed forward and "set", but the shot NOT being taken? Does the trigger return to it's original position when the bolt is lifted?....or is it necessary to dry fire it?

That's part of the problem. In some rifles just the action of lifting the bolt, because of the "jar" can cause the trigger to discharge.

I had a Mauser 98 pre-WWI 'scoped sporter that did just that when you went to apply the "flag" safety.

I trained using the British Army No4 and later went on to the No4(T). Some forty plus years ago. These were typical British double pull triggers.

Any racing pulse, heaving lungs and nervous anxiety pretty quickly got "trained out" of you by your instructors!

There's more "stress" from any deer with a Sergeant Instructor at you shoulder looking through an aim corrector in "dry fire" practice!

Which IMHO give many advantages.

I have been using a Kanjar Single Stage Set Trigger for over 40 years, and have never had a problem with it. Never had an accidental discharge, and the safety can be applied without fear, trigger set or not. I don't know if they are still in business, but we put them in a ton of Ruger 77's back in the early 70's. Never had a complaint. Use it at the range or from a set up hunting stand, and they are perfect. I don't believe I would use it "set" while out hunting on a walk about though.

Jerry

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
I have been using a Kanjar Single Stage Set Trigger for over 40 years, and have never had a problem with it. Never had an accidental discharge, and the safety can be applied without fear, trigger set or not. I don't know if they are still in business, but we put them in a ton of Ruger 77's back in the early 70's. Never had a complaint. Use it at the range or from a set up hunting stand, and they are perfect. I don't believe I would use it "set" while out hunting on a walk about though.

Jerry

And with any luck, you won't ever have a problem with them, Jerry. From what little I know of you, I suspect you'd be one of the safest folks to use one.

I have, however seen too many ADs with them at the range and in the woods to recommend them to anyone for hunting.

There is an old saying that applies perfectly to all shooters, but perhaps especially to those with set triggers in the hunting field...

"There are two kinds of shooters:

1. Those who have had an AD (Accidental Discharge of their firearm).

. Those who are going to have an AD."

When it happens to anyone, ,hopefully the rifle will always be pointed in a safe direction and the worst that will result will be a missed animal.

Hi,

First post here on AR.

Personally, I have a CZ in .223 with a single set trigger, and I don't like it as much as I should. Probably because the unset trigger is creepy and heavy.

Having said that, probably a trigger job would make a world of difference.

One of the gun scribes here in Aus (Nick Harvey) said that when shooting from the bench using and not using the set trigger could change the POI by nearly a MOA. He had no real explanation, but surmised it might be the difference in release .....

I have a Canjar on a 220 Swift and Kepplinger on a 30-06. The Swift is for PDs and I always have the time to focus on it. The 30-06 not so much. I don't use it for all the reasons Albert Canuck and enfieldspares said above. I think it's a liability for big game unless (1) it's all you ever use so the muscle memory is there to overcome the adrenalin and (2) you hunt from a blind. It is handy at the range for load work-ups.

Set triggers are common in Europe and I am not aware of any rash of errant discharges. That said, a great deal of hunting is done out of stands with defined fields of fire, often alone.

With the single stage triggers available today, I'm not sure set triggers are needed.

I tried one yesterday for the first time.

A single set trigger that is.

I never even used the hair trigger mechanism as the trigger in regular mode works fine for me.

It is on a new previously unfired 1970s ZKK

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Originally posted by JonP:
Set triggers are common in Europe and I am not aware of any rash of errant discharges. That said, a great deal of hunting is done out of stands with defined fields of fire, often alone.

With the single stage triggers available today, I'm not sure set triggers are needed.

I can see some merit for a driven game hunt but like you said, the better triggers of today work just as well.

I had a single set on a 22 hornet years ago it was ok can't really say I would need one or want one now

I was looking at a CZ 550 the other day and that rifle made me forget about building a custom rifle using a Stiller action and custom barrel. The build quality and robustness of the rifle was superb.

I did not like the SET trigger though. It is something that could be activated in brush and its placement is too far out in the middle of the trigger guard during activation. When squeezing a trigger, the finger should be as far back a possible and close to the rest of the hand. This gives greater leverage to squeeze and better control.

If I bought a CZ, the first thing I would do is replace the SET trigger with a good quality Timney.

I'm about to find out as I have just bought a CZ 550 American 9.3x62 Kevlar. I doubt I'll use it in the field much but, sounds like it may be helpful from the bench. I'll be taking it to the range next week and will let you know. That said, if I don't like it, like ar corey, I'll have my smith install a Timney. He just put one in one of my older Rem 25-06 and they are crisp triggers with virtually no play. IMHO, Timney makes a great trigger for hunting rifles.

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Originally posted by Hublocker:
I tried one yesterday for the first time.

A single set trigger that is.

I never even used the hair trigger mechanism as the trigger in regular mode works fine for me.

It is on a new previously unfired 1970s ZKK

I too like the Brno single set trigger which can be adjusted for weight or adjusted so it is not used. The main trigger is also adjustable and is usually light and crisp on its own. Those with small hands may find the trigger position a little too far forward in the bow. It is an unconventional looking trigger but no complaints from me in its use.

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Originally posted by Biggs300:
I'm about to find out as I have just bought a CZ 550 American 9.3x62 Kevlar. I doubt I'll use it in the field much but, sounds like it may be helpful from the bench. I'll be taking it to the range next week and will let you know. That said, if I don't like it, like ar corey, I'll have my smith install a Timney. He just put one in one of my older Rem 25-06 and they are crisp triggers with virtually no play. IMHO, Timney makes a great trigger for hunting rifles.

We can't get the Kevlar's in Canada. I was looking at the 7mm Rem. Mag medium or the 30-06 carbine. They don't make enough of them to supply Canada.

Fantastic rifle though. Built with all the great features of a German custom like a Sauer yet 1/3 of the price. Definately THE best value in a rifle and something that will last many decades.

Only problem I have is can't get one in 338 Win. Mag without spending $3000 + on the safari custom model. Might have to buy a plain jane 30-06 and re-barrel to 338-06.

9.3 is another option.