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| Silen30 - The serial numbers I got off a "thread" for the recal Tikka's were: 419140 thru 461951 (42811 barrels). I haven't gotten through to Beretta to confirm the numbers. Riley |
| Posts: 32 | Location: MO | Registered: 15 January 2004 |
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| The number to call is:800 503 8869......but rumor has it they are stopping the recall as just being too damaging to the bottom line. They are now going to send out "lanyard kits" that consist of a long string that ties to the trigger so that shooters can continue to use their beloved Sako 75 rifles in complete safty. Its about 25 feet long and looks kinda like a long shoelace but its blue and has the "Sako" logo along it every one foot. You also get a free Sako patch that can double as a wound dressing should you be so foolish as to not use the lanyard. FNMauser |
| Posts: 170 | Location: Kentucky U.S.A. " The land that is dark with blood" | Registered: 31 May 2004 |
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| Good one Mauser. A bit disappointing finding out after just receiving the rifle. After I wrote this post I read one thing off another site that said a lot of the serial numbers in the list given by Riley are not affected.
Beretta would not give me a call back yesterday, and the person at "catalog request" said she had never heard anything about the recall. |
| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| I called and left my serial number and they never called back. But mine is a older one in the 200,000 range serial number so I "guess" its ok since I've apparently been proof testing it all this summer. I won't sell it (.223 Varmint SS) but I really don't like the way the action has split and gave way in these blow ups. If the only trouble is the barrel steel how come the action seems to not be able to contain or control the rifle from blowing up at all? I would like to see one of the "bad barrels" taken off and put on a nice FN or older Sako action and then see how that action looked after the barrel gave way. There is more here than meets the eye and the reason Berretta is playing it quiet is that any real investigation will turn up that the 75 ss action is flawed and weak and that would mean a total recall of a huge number of guns. So now they are going to hope that this silent recall and some good barrel steel from now on will cover for for a weak design receiver/action. Well.........good luck.........just my two cents worth. FNMauser |
| Posts: 170 | Location: Kentucky U.S.A. " The land that is dark with blood" | Registered: 31 May 2004 |
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| I am a metallurgist with a large research company, and I have personally seen evidence of a bad batch of stainless used for things other than barrels. I also know what part of the problem was, and I would like to know if there is any way possible that this batch was from the same batch. The parts also failed in the same sort of way as these barrels did.
I would like to know if the receivers were made from the same steel as the barrels. Anyone know? |
| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| I was actually contacted back the morning they reopenned after the holiday. My S/N number starts with 441*** and is not part of the recall. They say the recalls do not have consecutive S/Ns and that everyone who purchased a rifle after Feb of 2004 must call.
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| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| Nice to know that there's another metallurgist here.Beretta should get their act together "she never heard anything about the recall" but "everyone...must call". Can't say about the receivers except that they are cast so probably not the same batch.I also don't know exactly how the barrels are made ,rotoforged or just machined .I'm very curious about the whole story. |
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| Hey mete. We are a dying breed. We have been trying to hire a good physical metallurgist here at ATK Thiokol, but it has been tough to find a good one. Of course it is Thiokol so they want a PhD with a high GPA throughout school. Anyway, from what I understand their barrels are rotoforged. My gunsmith as well as many others know a lot about the metals world and he says you can't go wrong with buton rifling with respect to "bad" steel. He says while pulling a button, impurities or the wrong microstructure causes an increase in the force necessary to pull the button. Thought that was interesting. I think I will stick with Broughton 5C and lilja when rebuilding my rifles.
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| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| Rotoforged ?? The problem is that free machining grades of steel are not recommended for things like welding and cold working . That means do you get things like micro cracks when you rotoforge or button rifle ?I certainly want answers , I'm very frustrated !!! |
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| You know, that is something I should know and don't. I sure hope it does not come down to cut rifle barrels being the optimum and proper rifling method because the few companies that are out there that cut rifle barrels either take too long or are difficult to deal with. You know who you should talk to on this one? Call up Mike Rock of Rockcreek Barrels. He is a Ph.D. Metallurgist, is a down to earth sort of guy, and really, really knows his stuff when it comes to barrel steel, barrel forming, failures in barrel steels, etc. Tell him "Cameron from Thiokol says you really know your stuff and that Cameron knew you could help me out". Bar non, he will answer your question faster than anyone. He does research for the government on barrel metallurgical issues. Now, he may not speak highly of me or he may. I don't know. I tried doing some research on locating some higher temp material for use in rifle barrels, and a couple materials I found were extremely difficult to get (the manufactures did not tell me this, but they did tell Mike when he called them) so he was not as excited to talk to me after this.
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| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| I don't want to know what can be done I want to know what SAKO does.Crucible mentions 'cut to length' ready for drilling which would imply drilling not rotoforged where you start out with about a 12" length.While Crucible limits sulphur I wonder if they also use rare earth metals in their recipe. BTW for those concerned about low temperature brittleness of stainless they mention theirs is good to -40 which is far too cold for me to hunt or target shoot !! |
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| I don't know my friend. I suppose you will have to call berretta for yourself and ask if they rotoforge or not. I have had 5 or 6 big gun guys tell me sako and tikka barrels are rotoforged. That is good enough for me. If you didn't already know, most of the gun manufacturers use the rotoforge process (except for savage which button rifles, and it is possible that remington bottons as well).
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| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| Has Beretta/Sako ever posted anything about this Recall on thier web page? I have tired to find out about it offically for a friend vi thier web page and talking to local dealers.No Luck. Which brings me to this Thanks for all the info thats been posted here.Even though I can't find nothing offical about it,I think my friend is a-ok as his isn't stainless and was bought several years ago.
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| Posts: 205 | Location: East Tennessee | Registered: 19 July 2002 |
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| Tiny, Yah, there is absolutely no worries for your friend about this recall. this was for STAINLESS barrels made after Feb 2004, and it affects a few tikka T3 and new sako rifles. Tell him to have a ball and go for it. I called the recall center and they were very helpful in calling back, but mine is a T3 purchased after Feb 2004, so my guess is that is why they were so helpful to get back to me. and NO, Beretta did not post thison their web site, and yes that is a shame. Everyone makes an occasional mistake, especially one like this on very rare occasion. They just needed to fess up and move on.
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| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| Just an update on the Tikka. I have not had time to reload for it yet, but I have spent a bit of time making the short action into a long action. I have cut back the bolt stop and taken out the magazine spacer, adjusted the magazine lips to allow for sliding the shells back straight to the back, polished any rough spots in the magazine, and made it so the spring sits .3" farther back than it did. Works as slick as can be. I can seat either the 180 grain nosler BTs or accubonds to the lands, and the junction of the boat tail on both bullets are just barely below the neck/shoulder junction of the case. I kept putting shells into the magazine and chambering the rounds to make sure everything was smooth, and it was perfectly smooth every time when I was completed (50 or 60 rounds without trouble). I love the fact that a shell will chamber smoothly and flawlessly whether I load from the magazine or just by dropping a shell in the port (not using the magazine). I have spent my extra time loading for a custom 300 win mag I had rebarreled with a broughton 1-11" twist 5C barrel, but I will get to the tikka.
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| Posts: 395 | Location: Tremonton, UT | Registered: 20 April 2004 |
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| By the way, Beretta said they contacted all people in possession of the recalls (there were not a ton of them) whether it be individuals or dealers. If someone was not contacted, it was the dealer's fault who sold them the rifle. It is still a real shame they did not advertise it on their web site though.
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