Hi all quick question, my dad is my shooting, hunting partner, recently he has started or has developed arthritis in shoulder , neck region.I saw him emberrased last time at range because he couldnt handle the.270 recoil, let alone my .308. My question is has anyone ever tried a limbsaver recoil pad on any of these calibers? The .270 is a rem. 700 and the .308 is a mossberg atr 100. Thanks in advance because this is very important question.

Limbsaver should help. Also, consider Remington Managed Recoil loads
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-Recoil.asp

If you reload, Hodgdon "Youth Loads".

My 11 year old Nephew and I have both killed deer and wild pigs with Remingtons Managed recoil load in the 308 [125gr bullet]. I tested them on game before I let him use them. They work great.

I have also killed wild pigs with Federals Low Recoil load in 30-06 [170gr bullet], it worked great as well.

I think Remington makes a Managed recoil load in 270.

You could also fit a Danuser Counter Coil in the stock.

If your dad's scope has enough eye relief, then the Counter Coil that will cut the recoil by 40%.

They are available from Brownells.

The Pachmayr XLT Magnum pad is better than the Limbsaver in my opinion.

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I think Remington makes a Managed recoil load in 270.

They do. and it's not too bad either. My preference overall is starting loads with softer bullets, 130gr ballistic tips expand nicely at lower velocities. Some starting loads for 2800fps should be just the ticket for low recoil with a little more punch than the Managed Recoil loading can offer.

Having become a little recoil sensitive with age I can sympathize with your dad's plight.
It's time for a .257 Roberts or 250-3000 with a good muzzle brake and recoil pad. Except for possibly Elk, the .270 is more rifle than is needed in the lower 48.
The sound level emitted from my 6.5 X 55's muzzle brake is lower than that of many of the bigger bores on the firing line. The two 25s will be less.
That would be my approach ,and was. roger

I am a victim of a missing disk between my 5th and 6th vertabrae, same for my sister. This Arthritis problem nearly canceled my plans to begin safari hunting in 2003. I jumped to chiropractic treatment and experimented with lesser calibers than my 9.3x62mm, which was beating my neck to death! After several months of Chiro and experimenting with lesser calibers I found myself able to shoot a .30-06 very well, and backed that up with a 7x64mm.
With a lot of Chiro and a lot of practice I made the hunt in 2004, and again in 2007. In 2007 I found I could use a 9.3x62mm again, although the rifle has a heavily cast off stock. My other rifle was a .270, which killed the game too. There are many "cures" for recoil, but I would suggest that in the case of arthritis, the hunter should check out the medical routes too. I now religiously receive my chiropractic treatments, and I'll be hunting the first day of Texas deer season too!
LLS

I saw a review of a Hogue recoil reduction device that used a spring dampener but required the removal of at least 8" of stock to install. That may not be too heartbreaking on the Mossberg, but possibly on the Remington. Hope that helps.
Good shooting,
Graham

Here what I"ve done to my Rem 700 270 (and 338 RUM as well): I put a mercury recoil reducer in a combination with a limbsaver pad. Works great even with 338RUM.
About $50 for the mercury device, $30 for a 1' drill bit and about $40 for the pad. Did the same to my friend's A-bolt. ( a little bit tricky because of the rectangular cavity in the stock butt. Good luck.

Probably the only thing thats going to help him is a muzzle brake and a set of ear plugs..This really does work btw...When hunting he could just shoot without the plugs or carry as set on a string around his neck...

I know that shooting a big bore without ear protection is damaging with or without a muzzle brake..Many folks seem to think its only hearing destructive with a muzzle brake, not so..

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Probably the only thing thats going to help him is a muzzle brake and a set of ear plugs..This really does work btw...When hunting he could just shoot without the plugs or carry as set on a string around his neck...

I know that shooting a big bore without ear protection is damaging with or without a muzzle brake..Many folks seem to think its only hearing destructive with a muzzle brake, not so..

Have to agree here, Ray. I always find it funny that people mention this, how the muzzle brake is going to kill your ears. Are these guys going to the range with non-braked rifles and no hearing protection as well?? I always carried plugs around my neck with my old rifle that had a brake. Only 1 time did I ever shoot it without and honestly, couldn't tell the difference.

Also, many muzzle brake systems today can be pruchased with a removable brake, so screw it on and zero/practice/load devolp, unscrew, put on the threaded cap in the field. Cause you aint gonna notice the recoil when the sights are on game anyways.

I have Pachmeyr Decelerator pads on my .300 and .338 Win. mags. They really do make a difference. I only have one rifle with a muzzle brake and that's only because it was already on the gun when I bought it. One of these days, I'll have it removed and a cap made to hide the threads.
Paul B.

I have to agree with Ray also. I am working with the wife and her .270Win. The Limbsaver helped and so did my own recoil reduction loads.
With additional help of her wearing a recoil pad, she is fine with it.
The muzzle break would be the answer but its too close to hunting season now to send it off.

Sound advice so far.

good recoil pad
muzzle break
load up a stout bullet but light weight, like the Barnes TSX, TTSX, or Accubond, all come in 110 wt and will kill any deer.

Stuff them over a min charge of a medium burning powder, like H4350, IMR4064.

My bro's rifle was downloaded at one point and I felt like I was shooting a BB gun. Your dad has a real reason to not like the recoil. My brother is a p_ssy.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Probably the only thing thats going to help him is a muzzle brake and a set of ear plugs..This really does work btw...When hunting he could just shoot without the plugs or carry as set on a string around his neck...

I know that shooting a big bore without ear protection is damaging with or without a muzzle brake..Many folks seem to think its only hearing destructive with a muzzle brake, not so..

I wear ear protection when shooting whenever I can, so the perceived problem of a brake is just not there for me.....but it is for the bystanders though.

I'd do the lot; brake, Dauser, pad and cut the recoil as much as humanly possible.

Its a physical thing not a flinching thing, we all wear ear protection, just wondering if anyone had any experience like he is going through and what they may have done to help, thanks for some of the advice, I really appreciate it. God Bless.

Blair,
Some of our hunters in Africa use muzzle brakes and we have no problem with that as long as we are pre warned..I am certain that the good Lord gave me fingers to stick in my ears at the appropreate moment and the since to position myself behind the shooter...but your right some folks can't chew gum and walk so they get banged in the eardrums.

The thing to keep in mind is that brake or no brake, the damage to your hearing is the same if your not aware of what your doing and where you are..the worst bang I ever got was from a hunter who cranked off a 30-30 about a foot from my ear, it didn't have a brake!

+ slip on limbsaver
+ shoulder pad, Filson makes a nice one, I had it swen into a shooting vest
+ reduced recoil loads are work really well

try a gas driven semi auto

+ heavier laminate stock
+ lead or mercury recoil reducer in the stock

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shoulder pad, Filson makes a nice one, I had it swen into a shooting vest

+1. I use a PAST recoil pad on the bench when doing load develop for stouter recoiling cartridges and the difference is dramatic. If he can handle one or two shots at a time at game in the field, then this may be what he needs for practice.

LWD

If you're a handloader, I'd recommend a mild load in the 270. My old "deer" load when I was younger and not as experienced was a 110gr. Sierra at about 2900fps. This roughly duplicates a 243/257 Roberts, and in my 8lb Ruger is mild enough where you can almost see the shot through the scope. It makes a great practice load and it has enough oomph for deer sized game out to about 250 yards.

I'm sorry to hear about your dad's arthritis; that would just suck to be robbed of one of your true pleasures. To that end, I don't think making the rifle heavier will do him much favor, either. It might aggravate his condition in the same manner.

If your a reloader or know one, there are all kinds of reduced loads you could try. I have done that on a couple of rifles for my young grandson and he has taken deer with them.

Without a lot of input from you on expected ranges for y'alls hunting conditions, if it's 'normal' i.e. inside of 200 most of the time, and inside of 100 often, then reduced loads are absolutley your answer.

Do a search for Seafires reduced loads for 270, he is by far the most knowledgeable poster here IMO on reduced loads--at least as far as someone who actually posts about them. He recommends some bullets that work well at the reduced velocities as well, and discusses ranges etc.
I don't need to shoot reduced loads, but did so many times when firelapping barrels. It is incredinle how mild the 270 can be, literally like shooting a 22 rimfire. I am a big fan of the Decelrator pads also, but it isn't even needed if shooting the Blue Dot loads that Seafire has worked up in a 270.

Good Luck to you and your Dad!

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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:

Have to agree here, Ray. I always find it funny that people mention this, how the muzzle brake is going to kill your ears. Are these guys going to the range with non-braked rifles and no hearing protection as well??

Ear damage is done by db pressure. A brake is much louder than a regular barrel.

Shooting a brake at the range isn't a problem. Ear protection worn. Problem is hunting in the bush. Shooting with a brake at game in heavy bush is too loud. Can seriously damage hearing in one trip.

Put a Limsaver on my .270. Very good product.

Its kind of being beat to death but on my 270WSM I did the limbsaver and mercury recoil reducer. Kicks just about the same as my buddies 300WM with a brake. Before I could shoot about 20 rounds and I was done. Now I can shoot much more in one outing.

I am loading 48.0 grains of H414 under a Nosler 130 grain Solid base for an old friend with all kinds of pain issues. Shooting form will help a lot, try lightly putting tension on the rifle between the hands,either by pushing them together or pulling them apart, this makes sure the left hand will actually control recoil a bit.

I have a slipped disc in my neck so I´m off the big guns for now. In order to give my neck a total rest I put a silencer on my 6,5x55 and it totally killed the recoil.

If a silencer is legal where you live I´d go for it -ugly as hell but functional.

Boha almost cried when I told him of the silencer on that beautiful gun...

I have both neck and shoulder problems, so can relate somewhat to him. I'd try reduced recoil loads first (either handloads or off the shelf), then a Decelerator or Kick-Eez, or Limbsaver pad. Then the mercury reducer, and lastly a muzzle brake.

The only thing I personally didn't try was the mercury system - didn't think about it.

I've since gone back to full power loads with a Limbsaver and muzzle brake. My 300WSM now has less felt recoil than my 243.

Mike

Macho posturing aside, recoil serves no good purpose! I've got muzzle-brakes on most of my rifles. I particularly like the BOSS system on my 7mm Mag and my .270 because it improves accuracy for a given load and can be swapped for the compensator dingus without moving the aimpoint if Idon't want to use ear protection. I've also tried the Rem. managed recoil ammo this fall and it shoots very well in all of my guns. I've switched to it in my Ti Rem 700 in 7mm08. I'm toying with the idea of the mercury system in my light wt. 30'06.

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Originally posted by sydsdaddy

Hi all quick question, my dad is my shooting, hunting partner, recently he has started or has developed arthritis in shoulder , neck region.I saw him emberrased last time at range because he couldnt handle the.270 recoil, let alone my .308. My question is has anyone ever tried a limbsaver recoil pad on any of these calibers? The .270 is a rem. 700 and the .308 is a mossberg atr 100. Thanks in advance because this is very important question.

I sympathize with those who have become recoil sensitive to the point that it has limited their ability to use firearms above a certain caliber.

Have you tried some of the less recoiling calibers such as the 7x57, 6.5x55 or 250 Savage? Some times rifles in those calibers can be gotten cheaper than to have muzzlebrakes and recoil-absorbing tubes and pads added on to whatever rifle you have on hand.

I wish your Dad well and hope that he has many more hunting years ahead for him, and you.

Namibiahunter

My father-in-law is 80, he has a Ruger in .416 Rigby that has a mercury reducer in the butt stock, and a muzzle brake, also.

Several of us shot it, and our conclusion was the recoil was brought down to about that of an '06, FWIW.