Ever own one or even see one in person? Seems like a nice gun for under $2K NIB. Ray

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Originally posted by custombolt:
Ever own one or even see one in person? Seems like a nice gun for under $2K NIB. Ray

While I'm sure that they wouldn't make a gun that wouldn't shoot - it just seems like another gun that is part of the "anything but a 98" philosophy Mauser seems to have embraced since ww2.

I mean if the serbians/zastava can make a $500 mauser that actually works and sells, I would like to see what Mauser could do for around 2K.

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I got one recently in caliber 8x57. Seems to shoot pretty decent, and so far I like it.

Thanks Ron. Not a bad group with he 8mm. Anyone know if any retailers have them on the shelf here in Pennsylvania?

Isn't that a push feed?

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Originally posted by custombolt:
Thanks Ron. Not a bad group with he 8mm. Anyone know if any retailers have them on the shelf here in Pennsylvania?

Eurooptic has them in stock. Williamsport area.

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Originally posted by mmassey338:
Isn't that a push feed?

Yess it is a real and modern rifle.
Finally even Mauser has seen the light, and found out, that PF Works better, smoother and is hundred times safer, than the old rough and unrealiable CRF.

One day, in a distant future, even old Americans will become so knowledable, that they find out, that the World has moowed on since Ford T

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Eurooptic has them in stock. Williamsport area.[/QUOTE] Thanks just the same. I had called them yesterday. They don't have a store but would allow me to handle one by appointment. I had hoped they would have a 9.3X62 on hand. Back order only. Might take a run up some day. I prefer a CRF. But, if it is of nice quality and has a slick action, might take one home. All my rifles are .308 cal. or under. Ray

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Originally posted by jørgen:
Yess it is a real and modern rifle.
Finally even Mauser has seen the light , and found out, that PF Works better, smoother and is hundred times safer, than the old rough and unrealiable CRF.

One day, in a distant future, even old Americans will become so knowledable, that they find out, that the World has moowed on since Ford T

By this standard Mauser has seen the light ever since they stopped making the 98 design after WW2.

The problem here is that I can't remember if this is the 7th or 8th different PF design that "...Works better, smoother and is hundred times safer..." that Mauser has put out after they dumped that POS mod 98!.

When are they going to get their superior design right?

So many are using CRF guns that are unsafe and unreliable, Mauser owes it to the shooting public to correct that horrible mistake made in 1898!

Hopefully the 8th time's the charm...

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Mauser still makes a CRF 98. Might take some real pulling of strings to get one in the U.S. They aren't offered here. But, I heard they are $15,000 plus. If I decided to hunt dangerous game, I sure wouldn't take a PF. Don't DG-PH's call those tomato stakes?

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Originally posted by custombolt:
Mauser still makes a CRF 98.

As far as I know the "new" 98 Mausers are not actually made by Mauser - Prechtl makes them, and Mauser just adds the rollmark.

Essentially a high priced custom gun made for them by an outside vendor.

On the website purely for PR purposes. They would prefer to sell you their M03 and M12 models.

Wearing my tinfoil hat, I would say that the reason they are so high priced and hard to get is because Mauser does not really want to be in the Mod 98 selling business...

http://www.mauser.com/Rifles.61.0.html?&L=1

There's a M98 Listed there..

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Originally posted by Deon:
http://www.mauser.com/Rifles.61.0.html?&L=1

There's a M98 Listed there..

They are also listed here:
http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/P...n/Prechtl_M98_Magnum

Exactly the same as the one listed here:
http://www.mauser.com/M-98-Magnum.79.0.html?&L=1

Look at the sight fittings and stock design...

In fact, if you go here:
http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/Prechtl/de/Downloads/
And download this PDF brochure:
Prechtl M98 Bolt Rifles (English). pdf

Scroll down to the second page, and the picture that shows their colour case hardened action.
Then zoom in on the pic, and you can see a Mauser rollmark on the barrel right in front of the receiver ring.

Mauser only pretends to make the model 98...


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TwoZero. I should have guessed that the action was supplied by Prechtl. I saw a Verney-Carron built on a Prechtl action. A real jewel.

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Originally posted by custombolt:

Eurooptic has them in stock. Williamsport area.[/QUOTE] Thanks just the same. I had called them yesterday. They don't have a store but would allow me to handle one by appointment. I had hoped they would have a 9.3X62 on hand. Back order only. Might take a run up some day. I prefer a CRF. But, if it is of nice quality and has a slick action, might take one home. All my rifles are .308 cal. or under. Ray[/QUOTE]

This fellow has M12s 9.3s with sights in stock.

http://www.canyonsportingarms.com/

Yes, Tip and his son Josh are Canyon are great to deal with as well.

Yes, I have handled and shot both, the Mauser M-12 and Sauer 101.
The M-12 was in 30-06 and .270 Win. and Sauer was in 30-06 and .308 Win. as I recall.
If I also remember correctly, both Mausers had wood stocks that both felt good and looked really nice. The Sauers had synthetic stocks which also felt good. The rifles were some of the first ones in the U.S. and were being sighted in with new Leupold scopes on top to be sent out to some gun-rag writers.
Both models handled very nicely.

I agree, Canyon Sporting Armsare good people to do business with!
Mauser makes a very good product!

I have not handled one yet but the extractor and dual spring loaded ejectors look very much like the bolt of a Model 100 or Model 88 Winchester.

Thanks. So far, sounds good. I emailed Canyon SA for a list of what they have in stock.

I just received my copy of SCI's magazine and there is a piece in there about the rifle.

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Originally posted by LJS:
I just received my copy of SCI's magazine and there is a piece in there about the rifle.

Thanks. My copy should be here soon.

RAE59, can you tell me about the bolt knob? Is it plastic? Screwed on? Do you like it, and do you have any close up pictures of it?

I must admit, as much as I like the rifle, that bolt knob just doesn't do it for me.

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..Prechtl makes them, and Mauser just adds the rollmark.
Essentially a high priced custom gun made for them by an outside vendor.

Early period Rigby had the same type arrangement for several decades.
[ie; had MauserWerke make & ship their bespoke magnum Mauser bolt rifles]

Paul Roberts of Rigby, used a Spanish SxS maker[Arrizabalaga] and marked
them with both names.

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Originally posted by jørgen:
Finally even Mauser has seen the light, and found out, that PF Works better,
smoother and is hundred times safer, than the old rough and unrealiable CRF.

Mauser was producing both PF and CRF during WW2.
Not because CRF was inferior for a repeater bolt rifle ,but because
rapid/auto fire design assault rifles were the new design/technology coming into play on the battlefield.

Assault rifles being fab. from stampings, rather than extensive machining and hand fit/finish of a forging.

High rate of fire & less costly manufacturing being the preferred advantages offered.
The accepted trade-Off being, no CRF function.

Just another push feed action. Not a Mauser in my book.

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Originally posted by Savage_99:
Just another push feed action. Not a Mauser in my book.

+1. M12 has many limitations compared to their excellent M03 models eg barrels cannot be easily exchanged, as they are not screwed-in but instead have a 'sweated-on /push-fit' mechanism performed during manufacture.

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Originally posted by Savage_99:
Just another push feed action. Not a Mauser in my book.

No not the famous CRF-M98, but the M12 is definitely still a Mauser.
Mauser has made more designs than just the M98 in the last 100+ yrs,
and continues to do so.
Mauser made a [WW1] Pushfeed anti-tank bolt action.

Mauser T-Gewehr 1918 "push feed"
It is actually a single shot so the extractor type and feed designation is moot.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
Mauser T-Gewehr 1918 "push feed"
It is actually a single shot so the extractor type and feed designation is moot.

The Interarms & FN Mauser are also available in singleshot-push feed,
I am confident some still specifically appreciate them
for the grip offered by the M98 extractor - and for the M98 ejector.

The fact still remains,
that the name 'Mauser' refers to much more than just the M98 design.

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Originally posted by Lee Woiteshek:
RAE59, can you tell me about the bolt knob? Is it plastic? Screwed on? Do you like it, and do you have any close up pictures of it?

I must admit, as much as I like the rifle, that bolt knob just doesn't do it for me.

Lee all I did was handle and shoot the rifles after Mr. Tip sighted them in initially. He then asked me if I wanted to shoot them, to which I said "hell yes". There was nothing unusual about the bolt that I noticed other than than maybe a Euro design, so no I can't tell you anything about the bolt except that it did it's job as it was suppose to. I am pretty sure I would have noticed a "plastic" knob though. I was told that the M-12 and 101 were designed to somewhat (repeat; somewhat) compete with the mass produced/manufactured rifles of the world so I doubt the bolt knob, as you say, is screwed on. That would add cost.
I have to admit I was concentrating on my shooting a little more than the nitty-gritty details of the rifles.
(I didn't want to look bad in front of Tip)

Thanks everyone for your replies, both pro and con. The design is not a preferred one with no CRF and the sweated on barrel issue possibly dissolving any idea of a re-bore (off the top of my head say- a 338-06). But, I still like the looks and overall design of the gun. So, if I can break away from the office I'm going to take a 2 hour drive Friday morning and fondle a couple-see what I think.

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Originally posted by Rae59:
Yes, I have handled and shot both, the Mauser M-12 and Sauer 101.
The M-12 was in 30-06 and .270 Win. and Sauer was in 30-06 and .308 Win. as I recall.
If I also remember correctly, both Mausers had wood stocks that both felt good and looked really nice. The Sauers had synthetic stocks which also felt good. The rifles were some of the first ones in the U.S. and were being sighted in with new Leupold scopes on top to be sent out to some gun-rag writers.
Both models handled very nicely.

What about the M12 actions? Nice and snug, no slop? I ask just in case the guy I'm seeing on Friday won't allow me to cycle a new one. Thanks.

Not on the M-12s I shot and I seriously doubt any of them. They are German you know.

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Originally posted by custombolt:

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Originally posted by Rae59:
Yes, I have handled and shot both, the Mauser M-12 and Sauer 101.
The M-12 was in 30-06 and .270 Win. and Sauer was in 30-06 and .308 Win. as I recall.
If I also remember correctly, both Mausers had wood stocks that both felt good and looked really nice. The Sauers had synthetic stocks which also felt good. The rifles were some of the first ones in the U.S. and were being sighted in with new Leupold scopes on top to be sent out to some gun-rag writers.
Both models handled very nicely.

What about the M12 actions? Nice and snug, no slop? I ask just in case the guy I'm seeing on Friday won't allow me to cycle a new one. Thanks.

Sehr gut. Danke.

Bitte. Gute glu"ck haben.

Savage,
I own both FN/98 Mausers and the Mauser M O3. My Mauser is a Mauser! It is a well made, accurate rifle.
As a matter of fact the rifles that come out of that factory in Germany, Mauser/Sauer/Blaser, are some of the most accurate rifles I've ever seen. Most of which are not Mauser 98 actions.

It's time to get past the old debate about "control vs. push" feed.

No one likes Change! However change happens.

Eh. What the hell. Bought one in '06 with a wood stock today. Bolt feel is very nice. The magazine is molded plastic not metal. No big deal. Balance and feel is almost toy-like and it feels lighter than 6.75 pounds. Thanks for the input everybody. Ray

Hope you enjoy the new rifle!

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Hope you enjoy the new rifle!

Thanks.