I saw a post about the 375 Taylor and one response brought something to mind. The response went:

"The 375 Taylor is a outstanding wildcat that almost duplicates a 375 H&H" I would have added in a regular action rifle. And since Ray left, no one says anything negative about it.

But do you notice all of the howls about the the short magnums being pieces of crap because they don't match the 300 Win mag in a short action?

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But do you notice all of the howls about the the short magnums being pieces of crap because they don't match the 300 Win mag in a short action?

Hadn't noticed that, but anyone who thinks you can't beat one of those WSM/SAUM think=gs with a the '06 length carteidges is whistlin' Dixie. With handloaded ammo, that is.

I am convinced that the factories will be cooling down those WSM's pretty soon. I base this opinion on all the complaints there have been about overloaded factory ammo in those calibers!

Ray left?

I noticed his lack of posts. Any idea why he left?

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Originally posted by z1r:
Ray left?

I noticed his lack of posts. Any idea why he left?

If you have time you can read this thread -- this is a "farewell" post of sorts:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I have posted on AR since its inseption almost, as I have always felt that I had the experience with guns and hunting to be helpful to those who might need it...but that has changed to become a mean spirited exchange of antagonist who have set themselves up to judge others, without the facts, and demanding that I answer their questions which I have no intention of doing on the internet since some have suggested legal action..therefore I feel my usefullness and desire to share has expired and I need to devote that time someplace where it can be productive and positive.....

Note that I have cut most of that particular post as it deals with a booking agent/client dispute more than with his departure.

Thanks. But I'm sorry I asked.

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Originally posted by z1r:
Thanks. But I'm sorry I asked.

A bit of a mess, I'm afraid.

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But do you notice all of the howls about the the short magnums being pieces of crap because they don't match the 300 Win mag in a short action?

Well.....not exactly an apples to apples comparison. In all respects the .375 Taylor compares to the .375 H&H factiory loadings.....and in a "commonly found" action length. Shorter is not the issue here.....commonly found is more of the truth.

Further the .300 WSM is not a match for the .300 Win Mag in the heavier bullet loadings....and the short action length really isn't an advantage since there is no shortage of magnum actions today. There is still a shortage of .375 and .300 length M-70 actions.

The WSMs needed to offer something of an advantage.....and just didn't...

The .375 Taylor clearly does...therein lies the difference.

I have always found it hard to improve on the ballistics of the .375H&H. It seems that pumping up the speed doesn't make any cleaner kills, just more recoil. If I were to want more recoil I would look towards the 416's for the extra oomph. Most of the improvements on the H&H have been with case design, currently there are no less than four beltless cartridges aiming at the old H&H. The 375 taylor, 376 Steyer, 9.3 x64 brennke, and the 9.3 x 66 Sako. Unfortunately, none really make the animal on the other end any deader.

John

I don't like the short mags very well , but I am not going to call them a pos, hell there is no question they are good rounds all,
I just think it trying to fix somthing that aint broke, what do we need them for ?
as for the .375 taylor its a wildcat no body is spending tons of money trying to tell me how wonderfull it is, and if you have a model 70 in say 7mm mag and want to go hunt grizly, a .375 taylor barel might be a great option...tj3006

Doesn't the Taylor match the H&H with higher pressure?

I think there is a benefit to lower operating pressure cartridges. Especially if one is hunting hot climates.

I had seriously considered building a 416 Taylor, but instead opted for the old Rigby.

On the other side of the coin, I just bought a CZ Model 3 in 300WSM. But I don't plan on reloading it to the full 65000 operating pressure. I bought that gun because of the rifle. It could have been in any caliber and it would have gone home with me. I basically look at the cartridge as an inbetween the 30-06 and the 300 WM. I think that is a pretty good middle child. Shoot anything with a 165, 180, 200, or even 220gr 308 cal bullet in the right spot and it will die from any of the above cartridges. Do we need all these? Nope, but it's nice to have choices.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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But do you notice all of the howls about the the short magnums being pieces of crap because they don't match the 300 Win mag in a short action?

Well.....not exactly an apples to apples comparison. In all respects the .375 Taylor compares to the .375 H&H factiory loadings.....and in a "commonly found" action length. Shorter is not the issue here.....commonly found is more of the truth.

Further the .300 WSM is not a match for the .300 Win Mag in the heavier bullet loadings....and the short action length really isn't an advantage since there is no shortage of magnum actions today. There is still a shortage of .375 and .300 length M-70 actions.

The WSMs needed to offer something of an advantage.....and just didn't...

The .375 Taylor clearly does...therein lies the difference.

I agree, for the average shooter that wants to step up to a 375 in a common action, the Taylor is the way to go. For someone wanting to improve on that, I think the Dakota is probably the best alternative but I rarely see anything about it mentioned.

I like my 416 taylor if the 375 works as well it could be a fine rifle for the shorter action.
its all a function of money anyway.
and the short mags are still pointless to me.

If the 375 Taylor comes as close to the 375 H&H as my 416 Taylor does to the 416 Remington, it should be a very good wildcat. Wish I hadn't read this topic. I'm starting to think about the Ruger MK II in 300 Winchester, that has a barrel that might need replacing, as a good candidate for conversion.