Gentlemen



I am looking for the best all round bullet for the 300 win mag. It must be somewhat fast so about 180 grn.

The bullet is for Euro game and medium African plaines game. Not big stuff.



I am thinking



Nosler AccuBond



Swift Sciroccco



Barnes Triple-Shock X-Bulle



http://www.shortmags.org/shortmags/ref_data/bulletguide.htm#winchester



What do you think I have no experience with any of then I just have experience with Swift A-Frame in .338 LM and they do not rip enough IMO. I would like some sharp edges.



Cheers,



Andr�

For me, when in doubt load a 180 Nosler Partition and go hunting.

Jeff

I would opt for the 180 gr woodleigh especially designed for 300 win mag speeds.

Bum

Do you have any pictures of expanded .30 cal Nosler partitions ? and if at what velocity.
I know it is a good bullet No argument.

I am starting my friend of with 165 grn CDP bullets 970 m/sec But I fear that they might give too much trauma and exit

I would like to hand load some ammo for him at some point but have little experience in that caliber.

Cheers,

Andr�

PC

I use the 235 grn Woodleigfh PP for my .375H&H 880 m/sec

I might take that bullet in to consideration.
Thank you.

Cheers,

Andr�

Nosler Partition.

Problem is that you include both European and African (plains) game into the equation. In Africa, I would go for the Barnes as plains game includes such a wide variety - from dik-dik to zebra/hartebeest/oryx. The Barnes has worked really well for me in that environment.

In Europe, I doubt I'd go for the Barnes. It is more of a penetration affair, and whereas that might be great for eventually killing game, you'll spend some time looking for your animals. With the game available in Europe (from roe to red), I'd think I'd choose the 180 grs AccuBond. It will stick together well, and will expand quite a bit more than the pure penetration bullets. Other than pigs, European game is not really that tough, and the AccuBonds penetrate almost as well as the Partitions do.

If you just want a single bullet for it all, a Swift A-Frame would not be a bad choice - but you seem not to like those too much.
- mike

For my .300 Win mag the magic bullets are the 180 and 200 grain North Forks and the same size in Nosler Partition. All other bullets take a back seat in accuracy, and after many Deer, Elk, Caribou and a Brown Bear with that rifle their performence is unquestionable. Good shooting.

I guess I have to recommend the Nosler 180 grain partition.

Actually, for the game you list, most any good 180 grain bullet will work. I have shot game with 180 grain Speer and Sierra bullets with fine success. But, most of the time I just load up 180 grain Nosler Partitions and hunt most anything I want with them.

I shot a nice 6X6 bull elk last fall with a 180 grain Nosler fired from my 300 Wby Mag. The shot was about 250 yards. The bullet entered the right shoulder and was found under the hide on the left shoulder. I weighed it and it retained 68% of its original weight. The bull never moved from that spot, just went down for the count.

I don't see how you could go wrong with the proven partitions in a 300 mag of any sort.

R F

The 180 gr. Nosler Partition is the bullet by which all others are judged...It has never failed me...

I use the 200 gr. Nosler exclusively in my 300 H&H and its an even better choice IMO...It kills like lightening up close or way out there...I recommended it to Jim Brockman of Brockman Guns for his African trip. He was extremely pleased with it on the small and large animals...

200 grain Nosler Accubond on top of a charge of H1000

Andr�,

I have used a flock of the different .308"/180 bullets, and if you want more ripping I would use the Winchester FailSafe bullet.

jim dodd

200gr Partition @2800-2900fps (feet per second). I have no experience with African game but this combo works very well on NA game up to and including elk. IMO the .300/200gr combo is just like the 30-06/180gr. It don't get no better.

I would, without a seconds doubt, say the 180gr Trophy Bonded BearClaw!







Look at the beauty at the very left. That's the 180gr BearClaw fired from a 300 Win Mag. Sure looks gooooood to me!



The penetration in wet paper was 33 cm (13 inches) and the impact velocity was about 930 m/s (3051 ft/s).

Rikard, what are the other bullets in the picture?

I don't think you'd go wrong with any of the three you listed. they're all very capable bullets, and will pretty much perform about the same. except that the Barnes will probably out-penetrate the other two, if that is essential for your purposes.

#1: 168 Triple Shock, it is a newer bullet so give it a chance. These bullets perform on par with the partition and trophy bonded or better. ONLY 12 grains less wt than the other 180's but the bullet is just as long.

#2: 180 partition
#3: 180 A-Frame
#4: 180 Trophy bonded BClaw

Honestly, you cannot go wrong with any of those.

I kind of think of the Speer Grand Slams as sort of a super Hornady interlock. A couple things I like about this sort of bullet is 1) they dont seperate into two like the partition, and 2) the fluted tips cause a nice tight mushroom that causes significant damage and yet wont limit the penetration as much as a "pancaked" mushroom like found in a North fork or a Accubond. Not to put any of those down mind you, just sharing my viewpoint.

I really think Speer was on the right track with their Deep Shock bullets, and from the description of the "New" Grand Slam I have my suspicions that they may be one and the same bullet.

If you want to see a mushroom that will tear some things up take a look at some pics of the Hornady XTP pistol bullets, what you will see there is more or less the second stage of expansion of all fluted tip bullets. Each one of the flutes become like a little knife blade..

If Speer or Hornady were to make one of those bullets in the bonded variety, that would be one whale of a hunting bullet. Until then the GS seems to be the closest thing to it.

Jon A,

They are from left:

1. 180gr BearClaw (300 Win Mag, impact vel. 3050 fps)
2. 156gr Norma Softpoint (7x57R, impact vel. 2560 fps)
3. 180gr Norma Softpoint (300 Win Mag, impact vel. 3000 fps)
4. 180gr Norma Oryx (300 Win Mag, impact vel. 3035 fps)

It's pretty obvious why I don't use the Norma Softpoint for hunting with my 300 Win Mag...

Thanks, Rikard.

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yet wont limit the penetration as much as a "pancaked" mushroom like found in a North fork or a Accubond.

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I've seen a lot of recovered Accubonds but never one that's been "pancaked." Have any pictures?

Gentlemen

Thank you for all the great input on the matter.
I think that 180grn Nosler partition or nosler AccuBond is the way to go.

Cheers,

Andr�