Major Caliber,
I have to cordially disagree with you, ALL RIFLES SHOULD BE CONTROL FEED!

I am not taking anything away remington or sako , but I have 2 different savage rifles a 110&112 series. Alot of my buddys shot remingtons and they will admit.Those savages have hurt there feeling at the range

I'm no Remington fan, but I will agree with one poster who said he'd never had a bolt handle come off, or a accidental discharge because of the safety etc. , neither have I, and I too have fired thousands of rounds through Rem 700s.
Sakos are way over priced for what you get. I also don't care for the stocks on most of them, especially the Sako/Tupperware joint venture, that produced the Finnlight stock. I would definitely buy the Rem first, some of the 700s are darn fine shooters, and cost half what the Sako does. Also, just a peeve of mine, but Sako needs to ditch the scope mount proposition on the 75, I've seen .22 with better mount options. That's rediculous, and most of the time the scope is way too high. They could learn a BIG lesson from Ruger on this one. My neighbor's .308 Finnlight has had the scope slip in Leupold rings several times. Leupy rings cost $50+, Sako mount and rings cost $120+, that's rediculous, and I won't pay it. By the time you buy a Finnlight, $1100, a decent scope, $250, and rings and mounts, $120, you've got over $1500 in it. For that you could have a nice custom, a Kimber, almost a Cooper, there's just too many other options available.

Savage99,

They obviously were issued the rifle for one reason, They are very accurate and very dependable. That particular sniper I was refering too is one hell of a shot at 700 meters w/ that ole' Remington.

His Remington saved alot of our boys in this conflict we are still in. That's got to say somethin' about the 700s.

Good Luck!

Reloader

If I had to have a push feed I would take the sako over the rem any day of the week.

Reloader, It's obvious you're unfamiliar with how contrcts are awarded! CHEAP is the word!

IF Uncle Sam was interested in the best, each sniper would have a custom built, fitted rifle!

Pick the Sako over the Rem every time. In the .338 I'd not choose either of them myself but to each his own. Just watch that the smoke in your eyes doesn't ruin your vision!

Guess who id wote for!!

Reloader,



The same people picked the M16! That rifle was dangerous to use in Vietnam. Then they added a forward assist. What other rifle needs a forward assist?



I know Marines who bought thier own sidearms because of the unreliable M16. One of these marines brought back a new SKS which he shoots to this day.



Keep in mind that we lost that war as well.



Now the 223, which is part of the problem, is being considered for replacement or supliment by a 6.8.



The same military picked the 7.62-51 over the 6mm International for 300 meter competiton. That did not work out well either.

The Lexus would never wear out cuz people buying them never get them offroad. Well, maybe on the lawn to wash them.
Frank

In my opinion you cannot purchase a rifle based upon the opinions of others. You must beg, borrow or beg some more from anyone you see and try their rifle out at the range. After you shoot, narrow the field and then shoot again. After a while you will get down to the rifle you really feel comfortable with. There are rifles that do work better, last longer and do out-perform others but if you aren't comfortable shooting them, they will end up in the closet wating to be sold off.
Or, you could buy one of each and narrow it down that way and then get rid of the ones you don't like.
Frank

Sound advice about trying each of then before you buy. I have both though not in your chosen calibre, 7oo PSS and 75 stainless laminated. Both are fine rifles in their own way, but out of the box the better of the two is the sako no contest.

The Remington is going to be a project piece for a rebarrel new trigger and an AI stock. The Sako is just fine as it is.

Buy the Sako. I own several of both and strongly feel that the Sako's are better made.
Shot an 6x6 Elk with my 338 M-75 last year.
Avoid leupold ringmounts and stick with the Optilock mounts and you'll be fine. The low optilock rings will fit up to a 56mm scope! I not used them myself but have heard several recommendations for Controls if you want to a lower mount system................DJ

Big Nate wrote:
"Reloader, It's obvious you're unfamiliar with how contrcts are awarded! CHEAP is the word!

IF Uncle Sam was interested in the best, each sniper would have a custom built, fitted rifle!"

You probably don't know very much about the contracts yourself. I work for the Federal goverment and deal w/ contracts on a daily basis. Cheap is certainly not their goal! If you saw how they blow our tax dollars just to get a better product, it would just make you sick. They want the best equipment for thier money. Until you have seen all of what goes into these processes, you don't have much room to speak.

I was simply stating that the Remington is far more value dollar for dollar compared to the Sako. They are both very fine rifles but, the Remington is priced much better and you get the same quality and dependability.

Seems like everything here turns into a Ford vs. Chevy debate.

Good Luck and God Bless!

Reloader

I have a Sako, Ruger 77(early gun), Remington 700 and Winchester Classic all in 338. The Sako is nice but no more accurate than the Remington. I've been listening to the Remington extractor argument for over 20 years and I remember one gunsmith say he had had more problems with the Sako extractors than the Remingtons. If they are going to fail they usually fail early.
Ray is right about DGR and controlled feed but for general use buy what you can get a good deal on. I just bought a Tikka in 338 for $350 because the owner had won it at a dinner. I haven't shot it so I can't say about it. It's going to hurt though. It's LIGHT.

Well Reloader I guess the time I spent in the service (6 years) using the stuff that the tax payers had to buy was no education! I didn't say any of it was worth the money spent. It was implied that the issued equipment was of high quality. If you do work in the DOD contracting for these goods then either we as tax payers should be able to check up on these agreements at will and dump the contracts or people at your end need to find a better way to get quality stuff in the stock system!

I'm not out to personally dig on you but I have seen and used the stuff that's being bought. It isn't all quality. Far from it from what I saw.

Now we hear that G.I.'s are again spending thier own cash to get ballistic vests and camelbacks. Nothings new, it's been the same all along. One of my good friends was able to get in on some destruction tests while serving. He had some good things to say about some equipment, but also said there were many times the contracts were awarded to a company that did'nt outscore the competitors! I know there are many stories to tell and not all are bad. Thing is if you look at what is available to civilians and compare it to what's mil surplus you find yourself shopping places that aren't selling GI stuff when looking for the best. It may be a good value.

Back to Remingtons vs Whatever. The question was what to buy but limited in choices. Value wise the Savage is probably the best value. I can't get myself to buy one, but from what I hear they are good for the money. I've tried two Remingtons and was dissapointed with them both. I almost was convinced they'd changed thier ways with the VLS, VLSS varmint rifles. I actually picked a few up and looked them over. Then it dawned on me I could get a Kimber Longmaster for nearly the same amount. Value is judged differently by different folks I suppose.

We all have opinions or these boards would be awfully dull!

Hey Doc,
You know that Sako is better than nice. The way that stock just fits, the rifle just points, and that wundhammer swell on the grip fits your hand just like Cindy Crawford's hooters would (before she had the kid). You know if the house was on fire you'd grab that Sako first, and then think about waking up the family.
JCN

BigNate,
I'm with you on this one, and not just because I'd trade my mother for another Sako. When I was a private the M-16 was a lightweight piece of shit (although that three pronged flash hider was handy for opening cases of C-rats). By the time I was a Lieutenant Colonel the M-16 was a heavy piece of shit, except for the M-4's which were, once again, light pieces of shit.
Remington 700's make great sniper rifles. Just buy a Rem 700, add $3,500.00, and it is almost as good as a Sako TRG 22 out of the box. Our boys are doing a great job with the M-24's because they are intelligent, well trained, highly motivated, bad guy killing American soldiers.
JCN

I wonder how many people that say that Remingtons are just as good as Sako's have owned a few of each in order to form a valid opinion. I have and it seems totally obvious that the Sako's are much better made......DJ

I've got both brands and a Savage, but none in that caliber. They all work very well but the Savage and the Remington's all tried my patience, took lot's of work and quite a bit of money. My Sako put the third round out of the gun into the X-ring at 100 yds. My first three shot group was 5/8" and it wasn't my last. POI is always the same as the time before , different weight bullets shoot so close to the same point you could hunt with them without adjustment. I like my Sako best but Remingtons have served me well over the years.
Jeff

Out of those two I have to say the Sako....there my favourites of the PF's although I do not own one, they feel great to shoulder.

Both good rifles. I've seen good and bad in both makes as far as accuracy goes. If it was my purchase, I would go with the Sako because of past experiences. In my opinion, a better quality firearm for the money.