Hey you over there!
I am new on this forum, and i am wondering if you can help me. I am using my .308 for hunting capercallie with my dog. The shots are often at close range, so I am looking for velocities arond 2100 (150 grs bullet). My question is:
-could I use any of IMR 3031,4064 or 4895 to get down to these velocities, WITHOUT the use of any filler? If so, I am also grateful for data. Please help, the Swede!

Try 18.5 gr of blue dot, should be in the 1800 fps range and very accurate. There is no need for filler, and you can work up to 22.5 grs of blue dot, but I find 18.5 to have the best accuracy. It'll also work with 165 gr bullets.

Probably but if you can get it, try Blue Dot. A search here should find some loads.

Thank you Paul H and tiggertate. I will try to get a hold on some blue dot, it sounds very interesting!

I would shoot the Norma Jachtmatch, or the Lapua trainer ammunition

Aleko

Your using a .308 to hunt chickens?

If I could find a .22 Hornet barrel for my R93, it would be the way to go. Sadly, Blaser no longer pruduce them. Instead of going for the .222 Rem, I "download my .308 instead. The fact that we have an increasing amount of bear makes the choise even easier! I dont wanna face a bear equipped with a .22...
Having witnessed a lot of "lost" birds in the Winter, when the distances stretch to 150+ metres, with shots taken of various .22-calibers, I KNOW that the larger diameter kills better!

You could get a 6,5x55 in the R93

Aleko

Even though the 6.5 is our "nationalcaliber", I prefer the .308.
In MY opinion it does everything a 6.5 can do, only better.
And should we get restrictions against lead in bullets, the .308 takes another step ahead from the other.
But this is just my opinion...

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Originally posted by asti:
Even though the 6.5 is our "nationalcaliber", I prefer the .308.
In MY opinion it does everything a 6.5 can do, only better.
And should we get restrictions against lead in bullets, the .308 takes another step ahead from the other.
But this is just my opinion...

Hej asti

I agree with most of what you said, but it applies to our "real" national calibre, the .358 Norma Mag! Does everything the .308 can (and with a flatter trajectory), but it is a lot bigger hammer in case we ever get stuck with the damned lead ban!

jpb

Good point on the .308. Forgot about that 2007? I wounder if Lapua subsonic .308 would stabilize out of the Blaser ?

Aleko

Okie, the .358 is great too! If I go hunting for big game only, I use the 9,3-barrel. It has not let me down yet, and I dont think it will either!
As long as the one behind the paddle does what he is supposed to, I think it good for most game...
The Lapua subsonic? Is that a factory load? I havent heard of it. Will soon try the Blue dot behind 110 gr and 150 gr. The one with best accuracy gets to follow to the forest!
If only the weekend could end (!?!?) so I can get my hands on the powder...

308 Win 4317340 FMJBT 320 311 304 297 291 279 100 m 106 0 -372 -1 022 -3 205
7.62x51 Subsonic 13,0 g / 200 gr 666 631 600 573 549 507 150 m 230 248 0 -526 -2 461 320 *
B416 0 9 34 75 131 286 200 m 362
Here is the data for the Lapua subsonic ammo in .308. I have used it out of several .308s with excellent results

Aleko

jpb. The one thing I have against larger calibres such as the .358, is that if I want to shoot at long distance, I dont wanna worry about recoil. The more I worry, the worse I shoot, and I believe that goes for just about anyone.
If that wasnt a problem for me, I would only have one rifle/barrel. However, as it is, the .308 is just about what I can manage, without even considering recoil. And it makes a hell of a difference when you´re shooting at 250-300 m.
With the 9,3, I dont have to worry because the targets are pretty big! (moose, roebuck,boar or bear)
Happy Midsummer to you all!

Hej asti

I agree with you about the recoil!

However, one can get used to it with practice. Nevertheless, the need to shoot a rifle from odd positions or lying down is why I have no rifles bigger than .358 Norma and .375 H&H. They are the biggest I can shoot before *I* start worrying about recoil!

mvh,

jpb