5.25lb apposed to 5.50lb
Whats the felt recoil difference like between the two catridges, in two such closely ultra light weighted rifles?
figure on some S&K light steel rings&bases, leupold 6x or 2.5-8x.
so somewhere up around 6.5-6.75lb with strap&4rounds.

Try this site
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/recoil/recoil.html
As far as the cartidges go, If you were more interested in hunting I'd go w/ the 30-06. If more interesed in the target shooting, go w/ the 308. In my opinion, the two have very little recoil difference.

I would go with the 06.
Probably doesn't matter though.

It's not like I am going to shoot 220 grain loads out of a 5.5 lb rifle.

Kind of like choosing between a pretty blonde and a pretty brunette....both good choices. The .30-06 offers a bit more in the way of ballistics and slighly more recoil but would you notice either in the real world? Not likely.

06 for sure.

For me ,
It would depend on what you are using the rifle for. If the animals get very big , i would go 30,06.
I have rifles I like in both , but the only time I find that the .308 takes much of a back seat is with 180 grain bullets.
For deer black bear caribu. I think I would go .308.
But you can never go wrong with an 06.
I just think the .308 is a little easier to get a variaty of acurate loads for.
...tj3006

06 for sure in a hunting rifle. I like 180 grain and heavier bullets for hunting so the .30-06 wins in that department.

Though I am not a fan of either cartridge, I would probably go with the 06. However, it would boil down to do you want a short or long action, which one handles better? Also, how heavy of a bullet do you want to use, expected distances, and size of critter. Lou

06

But I will say I am not much of a 700 Ti fan.
I don't like the way the Titanium, tends to bind and even "sing" when the action is worked.

But that is just my preference.

I'm not sure that size of critter really has much to do with the choice as ballistically, these two loads are so similar that both will get the job done and in the hunting world the distance they shoot and their accuracy is virtually identical. It really comes down to short or long action and a couple ounces of weight and not much more.

Your signature says it all. 308 gets my vote.

I would go 308, I like short actions with light weight rifles.

i'd buy the 308, but, in the steyr ultralight.

It depends on what you want to hunt. A rifle that light will thump you pretty good. I have rifles in both calibers. I have found that the 30-06 kicks a good bit more. You wouldn't think so when you look at the ballistics, but I can tell you that my shoulder-o-meter definitely feels a difference.

Why not go with a 7mm08? It is plenty for anything in North America, except big bears, and your shoulder will thank you.

.06 I have a Ti in 3.06 with Talley light weights and a Leupold 2.5 X 8 Gretan firing pin assy and a alum. trigger guard. 6lbs 2oz

With hand loads under 1" at a 100

It's great!!

The 30.06 can do anything the 308 can. But if you dont need the heavier bullets from 180 and up, the 308 is really good.

Elk or moose - 30.06, anything smaller and the 308 will do just as fine.

I have the 700Ti in .30-06 : a perfect rifle!

Here is mine:

www.titanium-gunworks.de
www.titanium-gunworks.com

But if I would buy it again, I guess I would take the .270 Win
I am not recoil sensitive, but in such a lightweight gun, the .30-06 with 180grs and full load seems for me to be the maximum, making sense to hit your target well

But I would NEEVER buy any hunting rifle in .308, because this round does nothing better than a .30-06 or a .270 win

I really don't think it matters. Both are fine choices. Both can handle same type of game so long as the shots are less than 300 yards. If you're looking to shoot further then get a magnum.

Personally I would chose the 06 but again, it doesn't matter.

Well, in my opinion you have 4 basic category differences between these two choices:

- Ballistics
- Recoil
- Accuracy
- Action length


1) Ballistics: The 30/06 is slightly superior to the .308 Win when getting into bullet ranges of 180 grains and up. In my opinion, shooting a 180 grain bullet for moose/elk hunting in either caliber is the reason for buying either caliber in the first place, especially buying a 30/06. If I was going to shoot bullets lighter than 180 gr in either I would buy a .270 Win instead. I personally feel shooting 220 gr. bullets is best done with a .300 magnum or .300 WSM. I also personally feel a 30/06 or .308 is a bit shy for dangerous game like larger bear.

2) Recoil: The 30/06 does have greater recoil than the .308 but also performs better. If you were not looking at such a light gun the differences between the two would be negligable but because you are looking at such a light gun, I have to give the nod to the .308 here. When we buy guns, recoil is thought about but it isn't until you get on the firing line and start nailing your shoulder that the reality of owning a difficult gun to shoot sets in. If you are going to shoot 180 gr bullets from that gun, the 30/06 is going to have some snap to it. Both guns are going to kick but when shooting such a light gun, you will appreciate the lighter kick of the 308.

3) Accuracy: 308 Win. no contest. It is an extremely easy cartridge to handload for exceptional accuracy. While many argue this makes no difference hunting, these same people fail to realise the psychological advantage afforded a confident hunter who knows his rifle is a tackdriver and he knows, precisely, where his bullets are going to hit. Of course this means nothing if you don't handload and don't spend a little time shooting and tweaking your gun. If you do, 308 Win.

4) Action length: I put little emphasis on this. The biggest thing is cosmetics. Buying a short action, light, mountain-type rifle looks nice. Performance wise, I am not convinced a short action gun is going to shrink your groups. I might put emphasis on this if forced to buy a long action rifle in a short action caliber but otherwise not a big deal. It is a tie in this category for me.


For myself, I would buy the 308. Win and spend some time handloading some tackdriver rounds.


Corey

I am biased toward the .30'06, as that has been my primary hunting rifle for nearly 40 years. And I have taken much big game with it, from Antelope (300 to 400 yards) to Moose (a wee bit closer). And my primary bullet has been the Sierra 165 Gr HPBT. I have had some very nice compliments on the rifles accuracy from guys with BR .308's. Personally, I have only fired .308 rounds out of an M-60 (and once a BR fellow let me shoot his custom rifle) in the course of my military service, but I have seen alot of game taken with the round. As stated in a previous post, nothing beats the accuarcy of the arm, and your confidence in it.
Arguments can be made on both sides as far as the merits of the long action versus the short action. I see little merit there, except in the building of a custom rifle.
Large ill-tempered bears are best dealt with by something a bit more intimidating, but the black bears are more susceptible to the .308 and '06. Again, shot placement is everything. They can get a bit grumpy as well.
I have absolutely nothing against a 308, but it's like the 270. I've never had a big desire to go out and own one. I would bet if my Dad had given me a 308 those many years ago, instead of the '06, I would still be shooting the 308.

.308 win. all my .264s and .284s and .308s are all short actions

4 me between the two no doubt I'd go with the 06.

Mark D

I reload for both. The .308 is a very accurate gun to be sure, but so is the '06. The ballistics for the '06 are better. The load possibilities are much greater for the '06. If I planned to hunt anything big (elk, moose, bear) I'd go with the 30-06 for sure. They are both great guns, but the '06 would get my vote.

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