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Different .300 magnums - motivate your choice. The .300 Winchester Short Magnum vs the .300 Remington Short Ultra Magnum vs 300 Ruger Compact Magnum. The .300 Remington Ultra Magnum vs the .300 Wby vs the .30-378 Wby. Older .300 Magnums ... the .300 Win Mag vs .300 H&H vs the 308 Norma Magnum. Hornady's new short-magnum cartridges (Rugers) are the first to add short barrels to a list of reasons to buy another rifle. Hornady's special proprietary powders are producing higher velocities in a shorter barrel, loads listed for the RCM are for a 20" barrel, since that is the selling point Ruger is working from. Frankly the 300 RCM looks better with a 24" barrel, however the velocities reported by Hornady will be near impossible for the handloader to reproduce. Here is a view on the RCM's .... http://www.rifleshootermag.com...S_0108_01/index.html Is a more compact package really that important by virtue of having a shorter action and barrel? Would a light weight magnum of 6.5 pounds in terms of increased recoil bother you? Would you like the capability to load heavier and thus longer bullets? What is the basis of choosing between the short magnums of Winchester, Remington and Ruger? What is the basis of choosing between the longer & faster Magnums - Rem Ultra Mag, .300 Wby Mag and a .30-378 Wby? The norm today in .300 Magnums is the .300 Win Mag, whilst the 300 H&H has faded and 308 Norma Magnum has been discontinued. If you have to start all over, which .300 cal magnum would you pick and why? It would be interesting to hear different views as to what people like or prefer. Warrior | ||
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I've got/had them all,save the RCM. Gimme the 7WSM. | |||
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I wonder if there is an animal that the 30 cal mags has killed that has not been equally killed by a 30-06? | |||
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I use Mauser actioned .300H&H and plan to make no changes. Switching to different mag or adding another would just be waste of money. If I didn't already own one and wanted 7,62 I would buy .30-06 or .300WinMag. | |||
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I have shot them all extensively over the years including the new .300 Ultra Mag that I shot for a buddy that wanted an Elk load developed. I would stick with the .300 Winny, with no looking back. The 180 grain North Fork or Nosler Partition at 3100 fps and the 200 grainers at 2950 fps will do all I want a 300 to do. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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300 Weatherby Magnum .... are there any others? Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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The 300WSM out Agg'd all the others,though I've exceptional examples of all,save the 30-378(POS TRG-S). Of the belted breed,the 300Super/30-8mmRemMag is my favorite...if only due to Nostalgic Magic. Gimme the 7WSM. | |||
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Joe D'Alessandro, Editor of RealGuns says .... "My WSM chambered rifles are a challenge to load, particularly under hunting stress, and they all feed like....sand on ice. The Ruger, with approximately the same fore and aft magazine well cartridge clearance, is easy to feed and bolt close is slick." The Ruger cases are somewhat slimmer than the WSM cases - comparing it to WSM's show a few differences; the RCM has a gradual taper on the main body as opposed to the parallel build of the Winchester. Also, the RCM cartridges are not rebated rim designs. This means that they offer improved feeding reliability compared to the WSM and SAUM short magnums. To its credit the RCM cases are the best designed and most reliable of the short magnum cartridges. Perhaps we can get a comment on the feeding issue as well. Warrior | |||
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Round pegs reliably go into round holes. Joe wouldn't know his ass from his head...for starters. Someone plagued with same,should be asking questions,not "answering" them. I sorta dig shooting Speed/Precision drills anyhow. | |||
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It's one of Roy's best,alongside the 340...but most folks can't shoot them well enough to get the goody. | |||
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The .300 Win Mag is king....and for many reasons....ammo availability and price are among them! It's also widely chambered... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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"King" of what? | |||
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All of my WSM rifles feed as smooth as glass. It just takes the right Smith to do it. | |||
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curremtly have winchester 70's in 300 h+h and 300 unltra mag (unfired)---- don't think I need another. | |||
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Punch the H&H 300Super. Thank me later. | |||
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I have loaded for and shot most of them, my two preferences are the .300H&H and the .308Norma, hands down. | |||
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I'd take a 300Whizzum over both and the 7Whizzum long before it. | |||
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Most of them have there place. When I was wanting to build up a lighter rifle went with the WSM because the action weighed 5 ounces less. But either the Wby or the RUM have their place if you must shoot really long ranges. Even though I started out with the Win Mag years ago just have no use for it now. Nothing wrong with it, just that the WSM makes a lighter rifle and the Wby and RUM hit harder at longer distances. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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At what distance would you holster a WSM,in favor of something H&H or Ultra based? Use your imagination...you are certainly gonna need it. | |||
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AND here's busheler again. Once again exhibiting his need for the industrial sized mobile extractor. Better get some manteca, this is going to be the most difficult case yet. | |||
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Pardon my having a clue,while you sit on the sidelines with your PomPom's. Perhaps someday....nawwwwwwwwww. | |||
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larry's been drinking again, please excuse him. Or tell the moderators and have him banned. Rich | |||
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Agreed and for the reasons stated. (Where the devil did this bushelofbullshit come from...?) "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Obama's anus. | |||
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The Group Tattle,is an Instant CLASSIC! It'd be better with pictures,because tears never aren't funny. Pop some pixels girls,as only you can! | |||
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I have a 300 H&H and 300 Wby. Both are great rounds. Have no need for wannabe magnums like the WSM or RCM. | |||
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Precision interests me,so I'm smitten by default. I wish I had your willpower to refrain such things...but alas,I'm powerless. | |||
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I bought a Browning .300WSM several years ago and really like it. Haven't used my .300WinMag since. The WSM is a shorter lighter rifle and has less recoil. Hard to figure but it's true. There is also a pretty good article in this months Shooting Times about the short magnums and their performance in different barrel lengths versus the Win Mag. | |||
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I'd not go over 24" in a 300Winny build. | |||
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My biggest regret? A Sendero 300 RUM I bought in 2002 (or maybe it was 2003). However, it has a killed a sh!tload of animals - some at great distances. If you want something in that range, get a 300 Weatherby (I looked at one a few weeks before I bought the RUM). Starting now, would get a 300 win mag or 300 H&H. Can't wrong with a 300 win mag, ever. The 30-378 is overkill. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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If you listen to or follow busheler's info/advice, I'm going to send the mobile extractor to your house b/c you are desperately in need of having your head pulled out of your ass. I have offered him the services of my industrial sized mobile extractor, but he has been in the "dark" for so long that I think maybe only an exorcism--if that--will work. He's the poster child for a modern day hua victim and is too stupid to realize it. | |||
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I've yet to kill anything "too dead",though I'm still trying. My Sendero beef is the stock's ergos and they do a great job of magnifying felt recoil values in l/a's. My 300Ultra beef is throat length/mag confines,in SAAMI configuration. I'd prefer the 300Ultra case shortened in approximation to the Dakota,while retaining the .532" head. Then I'd neck it to 7mm.(grin) | |||
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Just a little observation: In a side-by-side comparison with the .300 WSM, we find that Remington's case is 1⁄8-inch shorter in body and in overall length. Remington's case also features a 30-degree shoulder rather than a 35-degree shoulder; the result being that the case has 7.5 percent less volume than the WSM. Nonetheless, Remington is claiming virtually the same nominal velocities for their short version - i.e., 2,960 fps for a 180 gr. bullet versus 2,970 fps for the WSM. I bet there is difference in pressure though.  As an aside: The more I look at the .308 Win cartridge case design, the more I like it as a short-cased cartridge - it takes a middle road; not exaggerated or squashed in anyway, and it does its job in a exemplary way - served the military in particular very well. By comparison the WSM case looks overly fat with its rebated rim.  .308 Winchester (Left) .300 WSM (Middle) .223 Remington (Right) Warrior | |||
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I am a H&H man by preference. I killed my first (and only to date, sigh...) Bull Elk over 350 with one shot a bit over 300 yards nearly thirty years ago with a borrowed Remington. Rich DRSS | |||
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This post is kinda like asking which moderately priced 4 door sedan... Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, Bucik Chrysler, Dodge, Subaru or Volkswagen oh wait...why don't we ask which 4 door luxury sedan Lexus, Affinity, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Cadillac, Volvo Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I guess 300 Win Mag- I can get ammo almost anywhere. Of the one's listed -- I have not owned the RSAUM, RCM, WSM. (and have owned others not mentioned) Currently left in the stable .300 RUM and .308 Norma . All others sold/traded/gifted-- Feel kinda lame in the pedestrian choice-- but I am getting more practical- if not wiser as I age- Looks like my next thirty will be-- a pistol-grip, take-down, BLR with an additional built .458 Win Mag front end. (ammo almost anywhere-- one gun for travel, relatively fast action from the left hand side-- not too much cash out lay) feel like I'm kinda losing my adventurous streak with all this practicality stuff--  )(but I am building a 408 Chey-Tac- as an act of defiance to practicality  )DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Of the 30 cal short mags the WSM's is the only one that will last. It was the first and performs the best. I cant comment on the RCM's as I have not owned any, but the WSM's and RSAUM's feed like crap. They also have to be loaded to the gills to reach advertised velocity. Factory ammo for the short mags is also loaded very hot. Of the long magnums I will and have chosen the 300 ultra. More velocity than the rest and without having to deal with a belted case. I cant think of a single argument for another 30 cal long mag over the 300 ultra. As Busheler mentioned mag confines are a problem with the 300 ultra, but this is easily fixed with a custom reamer if so inclined. Remington would have made the perfect 30 cal case if they had only used the 338 ultra case for its 30 cal version. | |||
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300 APEX? Extreme Custom Gunsmithing LLC, ecg@wheatstate.com | |||
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I have one too, a well made custom rifle, a very accurate one as well, in fact the most accurate one in a battery of 7 rifles between me and my son. My 300 H&H was however not because of choice of caliber, but because of the superb workmanship by Ozzie Penzhorn, not even knowing it would be such a shooter. Often we hear comments by some that belted magnums do not feed so well as as non belted ones, but they forget that the case is tapered and that makes all the difference in a belted cartridge. Performance is not just related to a single aspect such as velocity. This is what Graig Boddington has to say .... " This one you can put in the bank: That long, sloping case may not be efficient, but it feeds like a dream. We don’t talk about it much, but the reality is smooth feeding is often an issue with our perfectly designed and incredibly efficient short, fat cases. The longer .30s feed better, but none of them feed like the .300 H&H. That tapered case literally falls into the chamber and falls right out during extraction. If you want to experience the ultimate in smooth feeding, try a .300 H&H. Is there hope for the H&H. Realistically, not much. And perhaps there shouldn’t be. After all, we have enough fast .30s without resurrecting the .300 H&H. Why not bring back the .30 Newton as well? On the other hand, the .300 H&H was extremely popular for many years, and its attributes are genuine: performance, accuracy, smooth feeding. It’s also a traditional choice, and nostalgia counts with many of us. What future it has is primarily as a handloader’s cartridge. There are factory loads, and good ones in Winchester Supreme and Federal Premium, and there’s now a new load from Hornady. That’s the good news."  Left to right: .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 H&H, .300 Weatherby Magnum. The 300 H&H really excells when loaded with 200 gr bullets of premium grade. Its longer neck facilitates going up to 220 gr bullets. One can upscale, when needed. Data Source: Nosler 6th Cartridge ------ Bullet Weight --- Powder --- Charge--- MV in Fps 300 H&H --------- 180 gr ----------RL22 ------- 71 gr ----- 3,023 fps 300 Win Mag ---- 180 gr --------- IMR 4831 ---73 gr ---- 3,160 fps 300 H&H --------- 200 gr --------- RL25 ------- 69.5 gr --- 2,847 fps Warrior | |||
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