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| I've only shot a 25-06 one time and it was a ruger.Killed the white tail doe on the spot. I own both rugers and savage rifles and like both. Savage barrels are better but I would rate ruger much higher in quality overall. The action on a ruger is much tighter. |
| | | Posts: 427 | Location: Ticonderoga NY | Registered: 19 March 2004 | 
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| I've had a couple of Mini 14's, and I have an M77 VLE in .308 Win. and RSM in .375 H&H. The VLE has no problems holding 3/4" groups at 100 yards with 168 grain Ballistic Silvertips. The RSM averages about 2.5" at 200 yards, with a 1-4X20 VX-II scope in factory rings from the bench, with Rem. 270 gr. round nose ammo. I've very pleased with the accuracy of the Magnum rifles. My friends and I have no problem holding 4" groups offhand with the Magnum at 200 yards. |
| | | Posts: 546 | Location: Oklahoma City, OK | Registered: 29 November 2002 |
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| I have had 9 ruger model 77s mostly mark ones .I have Ruger 77 in 264 win mag a stainless all weather that shoots 3/8" groups with Lapula 155 gr mega tip bullets at 200 yards.My 338 win mag stainless all weather shoots 3/4" groups at 200 yards.Thats pretty good.My cousin had custon model 700 that would not shoot 2" groups at 200 yards.Thats good shooting with the Rugers with only 3x9 scopes on 9 power.These 264 win mags can shoot better than I shoot any other rifle except my Weatherby 338-378 Accumark which cost 3 times as much!!! |
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| My experience with Rugers has been good. They are probably not as accurate from the bench as a Remington or Savage. They usually give good hunting grade accuracy and are quite rugged. If you do get a lemon they have a reputation of being hard to tune. I've never had this problem with my 5 M77s. |
| | | Posts: 3174 | Location: Warren, PA | Registered: 08 August 2002 |
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| I've owned about a dozen of the M-77's, and none of them were "bad" shooters. The worst of the lot was an issued Mk I 77V in 308, which wouldn't do better than 2" at 100 yards with Federal Match 168's. After a glass bed/free float, that figure was cut in half.
More recently, a heavy-barreled stainless 22-250 shot everything I tried from 50-60 grains into sub-1". A Mark II/77R in 6.5 x 55 laid Speer 140's into sub-1", and would do 1.25" to 1.5" with about everything tried. My 77CR in 223--even with its stubby whip 16.5" barrel--shoots at or under 1.25" at 200 yards (55 grain BalTips @ 2900 FPS). I rate that as SUPERB, considering its light weight. |
| | | Posts: 299 | Location: Yucaipa CA | Registered: 21 December 2002 |
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| 4" groups at 200 yards, OFFHAND ?????? No trouble??
My hat is off to you, sir. |
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| Rancher
I can understand your skeptiscism, but I can gaurantee you that I can shoot two inch groups, offhand, all the way out to five hundred yards with any of my rifles. What people fail to realize is that its not the inability to hold the rifle steady, or a bad trigger squeeze, or the inaccuracy of the rifle that causes large groups, its just when you get cocky and fire more than one shot.
I don't think there are more than a couple of men alive that can shoot a 4 inch group at 200 yards offhand. I base that on having seem some record setting silhoutte shooters and I don't believe they could shoot a 4 inch group at 200 yards.
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| | | Posts: 32 | Location: between Alzada and Yaak | Registered: 24 August 2003 |
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| I beleive that's the same guy that has all the "one hole" rifles!!! If you only shoot one time you should have one hole!! I don't own the best rifles in the world and I'm definitely not the best rifleman in the world, but that kind of shooting prowess would have to be "seen" to be beleived!!!
As far as the choice of chamberings go.....you're downtown!!! The 25-06 is the most versatile chambering of all rifledom!!! varmints to deer to big muthas......hard to beat a 25-06!!!! GHD.(pastor at the church of GHD, 25-06) |
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I can understand your skeptiscism, but I can gaurantee you that I can shoot two inch groups, offhand, all the way out to five hundred yards with any of my rifles. What people fail to realize is that its not the inability to hold the rifle steady, or a bad trigger squeeze, or the inaccuracy of the rifle that causes large groups, its just when you get cocky and fire more than one shot.
I don't think there are more than a couple of men alive that can shoot a 4 inch group at 200 yards offhand. I base that on having seem some record setting silhoutte shooters and I don't believe they could shoot a 4 inch group at 200 yards.
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Are you talking iron sights, or scope? |
| | | Posts: 546 | Location: Oklahoma City, OK | Registered: 29 November 2002 |
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| 2" groups at 500 yards offhand???? Come on, give us a break, we've shot a few rifles in our day and don't need the BS!
I thought we were trying to be serious.
Ever see Bob Munden shoot on the show American Shooter? He's one hell of a shot with almost anything. But, I guess he better look for a new job, cause this guy can wipe his butt! |
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| The first half of that post was pure sarcasm- Anyone can shoot a two inch group at any range, even with an old stevens 12 gauge shotgun with a slug, if they just shoot one shot.
The second half was serious- I doubt if there are very many men, if indeed there are ANY that can shoot a four inch group at 200 yards, offhand with a hunting type rifle, scope or iron sights.
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| | | Posts: 32 | Location: between Alzada and Yaak | Registered: 24 August 2003 |
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| Boduchar: agreed!
I must be sort of a sheltered type.
I've only ever once actually spotted for a current world champion silhouette shooter.
I have, however, often been on the line with the world champion, with a former Olympic gold medal rifleman and with current and former US national champions. I'm on a first-name basis with many US national record holders in silhouette...and I've watched many of those records set.
I've NEVER seen anyone who can consistently hold 2 moa offhand, irons or scopes.
Not one.
I've seen 2 moa groups -- and I know a couple of people who can probably shoot 2 moa 'most' of the time -- but nobody I've ever seen can do it 'without problems', regularly...or with the kind of equipment being discussed here. |
| | | Posts: 23 | Location: Texas | Registered: 20 March 2004 |
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| Urodoji,
I don't mean to start a fight, but if you and your friends all have no problem holding 4" groups at 200 yards offhand, then either (a) all of you are named David Tubb or (b) you are a liar.
Is your name David Tubb? |
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I don't mean to start a fight, but if you and your friends all have no problem holding 4" groups at 200 yards offhand, then either (a) all of you are named David Tubb or (b) you are a liar.
Is your name David Tubb?
I noticed a gap between internet shooters and those at the Western Washington area ranges:
1) A 1" group at the range would gather a crowd of onlookers asking how it was done, even the guys there every day with target rifles wanted to know. I only saw it done twice in 10 years.
2)A 1" group on the internet will garner advice on how to solve your problem.
I was frustrated for 10 years with my 60 rifles, as a one inch group eluded me. Then in the fall of 2002, I got a rifle that has a best all time group of .46", and a worst all time group [all loads, all bullets, all wind conditions] of 1.4".
I should say that my second rifle to break the 1" barrel is a Ruger #1 in .223 that gets 1" 5 shot groups at 100m half the time. It shoots straight when hot and is slow to foul, like a hand lapped custom barrel that has been stress relieved. I would guess that Ruger paid $10 for that barrel, and I won the lottery [figurativly].
Now the internet talk seems less like BS and more possible.
This week end I got my fourth rifle to break the 1" barrier: a Marlin 17V 17HMR. It was a lousy weekend. I am jaded.
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