Has anyone installed these rings and bases on their Sauer202? Because they come with this epoxy and instuctions say to put it on the bottom half of the rings, does anyone know anything about that, because I have never installed rings with anything on them. And does this epoxy come off if you want to change the scope? The name is (UHU Endfest 300). The caliber is a 7mm Rem mag.
Thank you
Elmer

It is quite a common practice to epoxy scopes to rings in Continental Europe. It produces a pretty bomb proof mount - assuming the remainder of the mount (e.g. base to receiver) is sound. BUT,,, don't expect the scope to come out of the rings unmarred! The traditional remedy for that has been to have the scope refinished, but that can get a bit pricey, in particular if it is a high class European scope...

Personally, I think there are better alternatives to epoxying a scope into rings, and that this approach is really only warranted if you want to mount a scope on the hardest kickers. I certainly don't include a 7mm Rem Mag on a comparatively heavy rifle into that category.

I use liquid gasket material, and it prevents scope slippage just fine. If you remove the scope, the gasket material will come off with a bit of rubbing alcohol. Don't use too much as it will ooze out under the rings when you tightem them (remove with q-tip).

There are a ton of other options from rosin to something called "liquid tape", everybody has their own favourite.

- mike

Use a little resin instead, the stuff used on the bows for violins..

It´s all just a matter of increasing the friction just a little bit between the rings and the scope..

Best regards Chris

Another problem with EAW scope mounts, is that rings are made for 26/30 mm. scopes; if you install a 1 inch/25.4 mm. diameter scope, rings will not fit correctly, unless you put a sort of gauge, like a 0.6 mm. steel/copper/bronze band around the scope. Anyway EAW are, IMO, excellent scope mounts.

Here's my 202 with swingout EAW mount. I only glued the bases, not the rings. This is my 3rd. EAW mount, none ever moved and all return to zero.

I have EAW mounts with rings on my 338WM and didn't use any glue on the rings. After some 500 rounds the scope hasn't moved so I don't think you will have a problem with your 7mm.
Like mho said, if you use the glue there is a good chance that the finish on your scope will be damaged when you remove the scope from the rings in future.

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Originally posted by dutchgus:
I have EAW mounts with rings on my 338WM and didn't use any glue on the rings. After some 500 rounds the scope hasn't moved so I don't think you will have a problem with your 7mm.
Like mho said, if you use the glue there is a good chance that the finish on your scope will be damaged when you remove the scope from the rings in future.

Is there anyway to remove the scope from the rings without damage to the scope finish?

Elmer,

Good advice from all above on this issue. I wouldn't consider a 7mm Rem. Mag. such a thumper as to require drastic measures to hold the bits & pieces together.

Uhu Endfest 300 is an Industrial Grade German Adhesive, if you use it; the scope & rings will become pretty permananetly adhered together.

If you to decide to use it - please ensure the scope recticle is sqaure with the rings & receiver before it sets or the x-hair will be forever tilted!

I have never seen a scope removed from a set of rings where an adhesive was used come out unscathed - it will leave permanent marks that are not removeable on both the inside of the rings and on the scope tube.

Yes, Martha; I've seen German Gunsmiths remove scopes that have been "glued" into their rings with both torches and Industrial Strentgth Hot-Air Guns. Neither are considered my idea of a good way to treat a valuable scope.....your choice.

Elmer, while I have it on good authourity--see post by Andre Mertens, I would really, really go to Talley mounts. I have several 202'a with them, including a 375 H&H, and have had no issue with scope movement, and don't use any rosin or anything else for that matter. They detach simply, and return to zero has been flawless.

Also, IMO, they make a much cleaner setup.

Sounds like you already have the EAW's though, so if I were you, I'd mount em up without the epoxy, and get shooting!

Good luck--Don

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
Elmer, while I have it on good authourity--see post by Andre Mertens, I would really, really go to Talley mounts. I have several 202'a with them, including a 375 H&H, and have had no issue with scope movement, and don't use any rosin or anything else for that matter. They detach simply, and return to zero has been flawless.

Also, IMO, they make a much cleaner setup.

Sounds like you already have the EAW's though, so if I were you, I'd mount em up without the epoxy, and get shooting!

Good luck--Don

Yes I have the EAW made for the sauer202 they fit perfectly so I'm just checking on how to set them up properly.
Elmer

elmer, sounds like a good plan, they are indeed great quality rings!

Good Shooting--Don

I too have a Sauer 202 (9.3x62mm) with Talley rings and bases, I opted for the Talley´s instead of the EAW´s, which I already had on another rifle, a Steyer in .300Wm, because of the cleaner look and the lower mounting height they allowed.

I have the EAW´s on the .300Wm for more than 10 years, and the scope, although heavy, 700gr, has not moved at all, and has always returned to zero.
The rings do not have any kind of glue or anything on them, but they do leave ring marks on the scope tube.

I found that the Talley rings really "bite" the scope tube, it did not move, at all, after some 150 rounds, and my gun is 7.15 lbs, as you say return to zero has been flawless.

Fish, in your experience is there a way to avoid "ring marks" on the scope tube with the Talley rings?

Cheer´s

I use the UHU 300 also for installation of my Titanium Scope Mounts: it works pretty good, but use Aceton for cleaning before glueing!

It comes also off, using a hair dryer and heat the parts and than take a piece of wood and bump it gainst it: it will go off. Glue pieces can be removed by using oil and some kind of steel-wool, rubbing off.

BUT I have tested my scope mount bases on a .375H&H without glueing and it still works pretty fine even after a couple of hundred rounds, with heavy scope and hard loads...





Those scope mounts will fit different bolt action guns all with just one scope on it. Adjustment is just made once and than you could change the scope like with lenses on a SLR-camera: Saving money and beeing more flexibel...

source: www.titanium-gunworks.de

Klaus

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Originally posted by Nsiro:
Fish, in your experience is there a way to avoid "ring marks" on the scope tube with the Talley rings?

Cheer´s

Nsiro, I don't know if I've just been lucky, but I must have 20 scopes on rifles in Talley rings, maybe a few more than that. I have ocassionally relieved the underside of the ring where the split is rejoined so to speak, when I felt that particular ring had a real knife edge there, it made no difference in holding ability by the way. Other than doing this once in a while, I just take my time and mount the rings per instructions, and of the 30 or 40 times I've had a scope out of these rings, I've only had 1 or 2 that a mark was left on. I don't take scopes in and out of their rings frequently, but I certainly move them fore and aft from time to time, and do have them out of the rings once in a while, and just have had great results.

Good luck--Don