The Remington loads are crap. The .35 Whelen is far better served with some hot handloads, and when so loaded COULD be used for buffalo if you really had too, although it's not quite as effective as a 9.3x62 (less weight/less caliber) it still SHOULD be able to do the trick. I know I'd sure as hell rather go hunt big bears with a hot loaded .35 Whelen over a .300 Magnum any day! No replacement for displacement.

"In a pinch", a 308 will work for buffalo, I have used it and several other of its class including 8x57 with military ball ammo, and my 300 H&H has killed one buff for me and several for a friend of mine...

I doubt that you would see any difference in a 250 gr. 35 Whelen or 220 gr. from a 300 magnum of anykind as far as killing power......The exception may be the 300 Wby and it may be a bit better than either of the above.

Having been there I think the 338, 9.3x62 are minimum buffalo calibers, and I would much rather have a 375 H&H, as thats where "good" bufflalo calibers start..The 416 and 404 are even better and they are great Buffalo calibers IMO.

I guess the bigger you go the better, but the 375 is certainly good enough...

I would think with a 310 gr woodleigh @ 2200 fps, it would certainly be up to the task.

Thank you Mr. Atkinson, you have answered my question, I think. From your answer and all of the rest it seems that bullet diameter is what makes the 35 whelen the killer that a 300 mag is not.

The .300WM kills quite a lot more bears in Alaska than all the .35's put together. The .300 is not my favorite, but it's one of the tree most popular cartridges up here. These cartridges are as follows:

.30-06
.300WM
.338WM

Take that logic to its proper conclusion and you'll then assume that the .44-40 WCF is a better killer than the .30-06.........

AD

Yup , and if you take Ray's logic to it's proper conclution (more use on more big animals and more popular = better killing power) , then the 30/06 is a better killer than either the .338 or the .300 Win.

EDIT - My apologies directly to sdgunslinger. My mistake. Sorry.

SmallCal

I'm not bashing Atkinson , the other Ray , or anyone else here . Just having a friendly discussion as far as I'm concerned......

In reality, the .30-06 with the heavier bullets does very well. The .300WM with the same "heavier bullets" is a big step over the .30-06. Years ago, the .30-06 was a big gun with Alaska hunters, along with the .375 H&H, and finally the .300 and .338WM (the later introduced as The Alaskan), became as popular as the .30-06.

This is from the NRA's January 2001 issue, American Hunter: "The Alaska Department of Fish & Game hunter safety staff in Anchorage tallied the big game rifles sighted at the Rabbit Creek rifle range for the 1999 hunting season. The top three cartridges were the .30-06 (21%), .300 Win. Magnum (19%), and the .338 Win. Magnum (18%). These were followed by the 7mm Rem. Magnum (9%), .375 H&H Magnum (6%), .270 (6%), .308 (4%), and .300 Wby. Magnum (4%), .45-70 (1%), .280 (1%), and a host of others, including many wildcats. Comparable data are not available for hunters who live in the bush."

Well, I used to get 2420 out of a .358 Winchester from the 20" barrel of a Browning BLR. I'd be very much surprised if you cannot get over 2500 from the same bullet out of a .35 Whelen with a 24" tube. So, I think of it this way. A .375 H&H will give 2540 or so from a 300 grain bullet and a .35 Whelen will give 2500+ with a 250 grain bullet. 5 grains less bullet weight at the same velocity. But the .35 has a smaller diameter, so its' SD is comparable. If you were using bullets of identical construction, the Whelen would pentrate as deeply as the .375, and penetration is what kills stuff like Cape Buffalo. A .300 WIN. Mag. will kill buff too, if you used the right bullet. Jack O'Connor's wife killed elephant with a .30/'06 using Hornady 220-grain solids.