New to the forum, I have been reading for a couple of weeks and finally got around to joining, allot of great info here.


Looking to add a Limbsaver pad and a mercury recoil reducer but I was wondering if someone could suggest which recoil reducer to pick up?

And yes before someone says "man up", the recoil is not (I have done a lot of shotgun/slug gun shooting) that bad but in order to get better with the rifle I need to shoot it more and after 20 or so rounds I am developing a flinch and that's not helpful.

Anyway can anyone recommend a brand and model?

Thank you ahead of time

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
New to the forum, I have been reading for a couple of weeks and finally got around to joining, allot of great info here.


Looking to add a Limbsaver pad and a mercury recoil reducer but I was wondering if someone could suggest which recoil reducer to pick up?

And yes before someone says "man up", the recoil is not (I have done a lot of shotgun/slug gun shooting) that bad but in order to get better with the rifle I need to shoot it more and after 20 or so rounds I am developing a flinch and that's not helpful.

Anyway can anyone recommend a brand and model?

Thank you ahead of time

Are you shooting from the bench? Is this where the trouble stems form or is this offhand shooting that is giving you trouble?

The bench can amplify recoil or at least make it seem a lot more unpleasant than shooting I the field. What I learned from an old timer when I was a stick skinny teenager shooting my .30-06 was to stick a sandbag between the butt and my shoulder whilst shooting at the bench. My bench shotiong was terrible and he noticed I was developing a flinch. he did the old hand me an unloaded rifle trick to verify and prove to me that I was flinching. After I employed his "cheat" my bench shooting tightened up and my flinch went away.

I never had any issues in the field or doing sighters at deer camp due to all the excitement. But summertime shooting was unpleasant.

What I'm saying is this may help and not cost you a thing.

Of course, if offhand shooting is bothering you, then I will defer to someone who has actually used recoil reducers.

IMO 9,3x62 do not need any recoil reducer, the rifle just should be heavy enough...

I have an FS in 9.3. It only weighs 8 lbs scoped. I put a pachmayr decelerator on mine. I must admit that it's not real enjoyable to shoot from the bench. Offhand it doesn't bother me at all.

It's funny you mention 20 shots and developing a flinch. I can only usually shoot about 15 from the bench before I'm ready to switch to a lighter caliber. No "man up" criticism from me. I'm not sure that hog back stock is the best for bench shooting. Works great offhand though.

I agree with most of what has been said. I've owned acouple of 9.3s and shot a couple more. The lightest was around 7.5lbs scoped.

I wouldn't shoot one off the bench without the sandbag behnd the butt as described in this thread. A couple of shooting jackets also works, as does simply placing some sort of pad between you and the butt.

At the risk of being called unmanly, I will say that I do the same when shooting the '06 off the bench. Guess what - I shoot better off the bench and am more relaxed when using the pad/sandbag/jacket.

By all means add a good recoil pad but DONT use the mercury thingy. The reducer adds unnecessary weight and spoils the balance.

As you already know, field use is no problem, it's only the bench. My 7.5lb 9.3 balanced well and was fine shooting at game. Off the bench - a bit of a handful, and definitely no fun after way less than 20 rounds.

UNless the bulkiness would be a detriment, you can try a thinner PAST shoulder pad. I used one for a light 338 I had and it made it comfortable off the bench but required no mods

I agree with BaxterB. A Past pad will make your time at the range more pleasant. I can shoot around 20 rounds from the bench with my 9.3x62 before I notice a bit of soreness. With my Past Pad, I can shoot all day long...even with my 300 Win Mag which kicks even harder than my 9.3.

Use a Decelerator or Limbsaver (and keep the original pad to replace if you sell). That's it. The mercury reducers mess with the balance. Then if you need to down load a little, use starting loads and lighter bullets and shoot the rifle a bit.

If you must add weight, put on a bigger scope. It will put the weight in a better place from a balance point of view.

I also use the past pad when shooting off the bench. I'd try that before putting a recoil reducer in.

Muzzle brake would work... on your ears also... may not be such a good tradeoff w/o ear plugs in the field.

Yep, thin PAST shield until you get used to the recoil.

.375 H&H recoil off the bench used to bother me. After a few hundred rounds with a Past Mag Shield I discovered that I didn't need it any more. Problem solved.

Much like exercise, it just takes some time and effort.

(PS: Man up? Everyone has a limit - and that limit is exactly that. A limit. I don't have a 585 in the safe for a reason...)

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Originally posted by igorrock:
IMO 9,3x62 do not need any recoil reducer, the rifle just should be heavy enough...

+1

bench recoil is indeed a bit heavier because your body doesn't move as much to absorb it. if that is your problem try putting a sandbag beween the rife and you

It sounds like you still need to install the Limbsaver. Go ahead and do that. I suspect that the Limbsaver alone will solve your problem. You will feel the Limbsaver absorbing the sharpness of any recoil.

Before doing a lot of shooting, remember to test yourself with dry-firing. It is important to reestablish a proper sight-picture and expectation for that rifle. The two biggest problems with recoil are NOISE and your own memory of noise-linked-with-shock.

ENjoy your shooting.
I've never owned a 9.3 but it is a venerable old round. Very similar in class to the 338WM and 375H&H, just a bit smoother. I have had a couple of 338s that weighed 7.5 lb including the scope. It always surprised me with its 'jump', almost like my 416s, but with a Limbsaver even my 115lb wife could shoot it. There was lots of "bark and shake" but no real bite.

Agree Limbsaver or Decelerator. I wouldn't add a mercury recoil reducer unless your rifle is too muzzle heavy. If it is, call Harlan Satrang at Triple River Gunsmithing, he puts in the mercury recoil reducers and builds most of the CZ 550s coming out of the CZ Custom shop.

My Sako 375 is the most accurate rifle I own, and I shoot it better than even my heavy barrel 308. Consistently will give me 3/8" groups with the Speer 285 gr SP and Nosler 300 grainers..

That being said, it wasn't always that way.. and when I first got it, I developed a nasty flinch after about the fourth round..

My problem was, I was shooting way too fast, concentrating on load development, and not my technique. I would shoot 20 rounds in a half hour.

Now I make sure I have plenty of time when I head out to the range. Now it takes me a good hour and a half to fire just 5 shots.. Advantages: cold barrel, and no anticipation of the recoil... your shoulder has time to "forget"..

And before you ask, my load is 77grains of Winchester 760, Federal Mag primers, and RP brass.

When I'm shooting any of the bigger (for me, anyway) calibers from the bench, or even the 300 W'by, I use TWO Past recoil pads. I'm too old to care if anyone calls me a sissy - I'm concerned with staying relaxed and concentrating on proper technique.
That said, the Decelerator really does make a difference on the rifles on which I use it.

I have used a Vais brake on a couple guns and found they were the least offensive noise wise. They work well also.

Get a Lead Sled. You strap the gun in Add a few bags of lead shot to the pan and the Lead Sled takes the recoil.
No mods to the gun.
Leo

Limbsaver also make a strap on shoulder that I have a couple of, I like them for any caliber off of the bench short of varmint rounds. FS

I don't know, strap ons, two maxi-pads, ... I don't like where this is going lol

Skip the recoil reducers, skip the lead sled, skip the sandbag. Make some reduced loads to practice with. Make also some dummies with fired primers and no powder. Mix them in with the live ammo so you don't know the loading order. I always wondered if I was man enough to handle a 458 Lott so I got one to find out. The answer was no. At least the answer was no two years ago. Now I can shoot the damn thing. No big deal. At least not now.

Muzzlebreak wouldn't really work on the CZ Full Stock. Metal cap pretty much goes all the way out to the end of barrel. Does on mine anyway.

I used to shoot mine with a Leadsled while developing loads. Now that's over just shoot it as is.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member

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Originally posted by dampatents:
Muzzle brake would work... on your ears also... may not be such a good tradeoff w/o ear plugs in the field.

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Originally posted by 44magLeo:
Get a Lead Sled. You strap the gun in Add a few bags of lead shot to the pan and the Lead Sled takes the recoil.
No mods to the gun.
Leo

What Leo said.

I have used these with good results
http://www.mercuryrecoil.com/suppressors/index.htm

I have the same rifle and had an Edmunds recoil reducer put in in 2004. It was a cylinder with a weight and spring inside. It only only added about 5 oz to the rifle, but threw off the balance. I was glad to have it at the time, because I was just getting accustomed to the recoil.

I think I will leave it in the rifle. I have a new load of 60 grains of RL-17 behind a 286 grain Nosler Partition, seated to the groove. I can shoot it just fine the way it is set up now.

PS: I shot a lot of mild loads with H-4895 behind the cheapest bullets I could find.

Sounds like the stock shape doesn't suit your style of shooting.

Adding a recoil reducer may make the rifle seem a lot worse by changing the balance if you are going to hunt with it.

If you are just shooting from a bench then make it as comfortable as possible with whatever you can get your hands on.

I have a light 9.3x62 and I have no problems shooting it off hand, standing up or prone. Perceived recoil is a lot worse while I'm sitting down or with a short eye relief scope.

Mag-Na-Port is helpful as it doesn't increase noise (at shooter's level, at least)and keeps recoil in a straight line, allowing fast repeat shots. I use one on my Blaser 93 in 9,3x62 for drive hunting (all running shots) and it has proved very helpful in shooting pairs of Wild Boars).

I bought the PAST magnum recoil pad when I was recovering from a broken collar bone several years ago. It has helped tame the recoil on my rifles and it is what I use when shooting from the bench when working up loads for rifles. I could careless if someone questioned my manhood when I use it.
They don't alter the looks of your gun in anyway and they really help reduce the recoil. I have even go so far as to install a limbsaver recoil pad on my 45-70 and use the PAST magnum pad when i'm shooting the 450gr loads at 1850fps. That load tends to be unpleasant in a 7lb rifle from the bench.

When he was alive, my FIL put a Dead Mule mercury tube in the buttstock of his (now my) CZ American 9.3x62. Made the damned thing weigh ten lbs and utterly wrecked the balance.

It weighs a pound and is sitting in the gun locker. To compensate I guess one would have to add a pound to the forestock making for an 11 lb 9.3 which is ridiculous.

So, first I'd make sure the stock is the right fit or mess with it until it fits. Second, 250s at a moderate speed give only a tad more than a 3006 in terms of recoil which is pretty reasonable to begin with.

You may also consider restocking into synthetic such as a Micky.

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Unlike Europe, our lawmakers want hunters to go deaf and disturb everyone they can with each shot.



With NFA paperwork and a $200 tax (and a wait that is now approaching over one year) you can own a suppressor IF you live in a state that allows them.

When shooting from the bench I sit and hold the rifle with my back erect, I rest my hand on a support high enough or just use my shooting sticks in front of the stool I am sitting on. I do this because I have no bench in a field shooting situation and I always rest the gun in my hand even when using a shooting stick or any rest. Recoil will be less of a problem if you try this.

Shoot 3 shot groups as you rarely will get 3 shots at any game, 5 shot groups are for bench rest shooters using rat calibers

Ok, I'll answer the OP's question.

I'm almost 68 years old, 6'1" tall, and weigh 210 lbs. I still work out three days a week and I can curl 100 lbs ten times and bench press my weight 15 times. So what? So according to some on these internet threads, I'm a wus because I don't man-up to recoil, and several of my rifles and shotguns have muzzle brakes and in-stock recoil reducers.

I like to shoot, but I don't like recoil. I shoot at least 100 12 ga shotgun shells at Skeet and Trap just about every Wednesday evening all year. I shoot half a box of shells through my .300 Weatherby each week, two or three weeks a month all year, with half of those shots at the 400m gong from a prone position.

So to keep my shooting enjoyable, I've done several things to some of my rifles and shotguns to eliminate as much recoil as possible.

First, I put 1" Limbsaver pads on them.

Next, I had KDF muzzle brakes installed on my .300 Weatherby and .375 RUM.

I also had the barrel of my BT-99 Trap gun Angle Ported and the barrels of my Citori Trap and Skeet gun Pro Ported.

And finally, I installed either a mechanical or mercury recoil reducer in each of those rifles and shotguns and in my Rem 870 12 ga field shotgun.

I know that I have a Edwards 4" Mechanical Reducer in my .300 Bee, and a Beretta Mechanical reducer in the .375 RUM. I can't remember which reducers I put in my shotguns...I think Edwards in the Brownings and a Breako in the 870. The reduction in recoil was noticeable after each of them was installed.

I don't know which is better, mechanical or mercury. They both add weight to the stock and, in principal, use inertia to absorb some of the recoil. I did not notice the additional weight of the reducers affecting the balance of any of the shotguns or rifles.

These modifications have eliminated most of the recoil pain out of shooting these guns, and I think they have made me a better shooter. With them, I have shot multiple 100 straights in both Trap and Skeet competitions, and can regularly shoot moa or better groups with both my .300 Weatherby and my .375 RUM.

I think the OP has moved on from this thread. He's already killed a nice hog with said rifle and posted the story on the hog forum. He's also asking about deer bullets on this thread. It seems he's just out hunting with his new rifle.