Recently picked up a Husqvarna 1600 in 358 Norma. Sweet little rifle. I built a 358 N on a P-14 action about 30 years ago and it has been a great rifle. Used 250 gr bullets almost exclusively. It has been a great killer on moose a few elk and some good sized black bears. The only problem with the old rifle is my youngest son has laid claim to it! So with the new (to me) husqvarna I again have a 358 N to shoot. I have it grouping just fine with 250 gr Hornadys. However all I have left are deer tags and the 358 Norma with 250 gr bullets is just a little much even for a big buck. Any other 358 Norma owners out there that have used 225 gr bullets on lighter game? I'm thinking 225 gr Sierras, 225 Nosler Accubonds, or 225 TSX. Anyone out there have experience with these bullets and have some pet loads?? Thanks for any input.

I have lusted after a358 norma for years read this and remembered i have 2 P14's a 303 epps and a 303-25 in the gun cupboard and a17 30/06 to none of which get used very often ,might be off to see the gunsmith i reckon.

Congrats on the Husky. I only bring the Howitzer out during elk season. I cant help you out on the lighter bullets. You could perhaps load some non-premium sierras down a little for deer. However if your going to push those 225 to near max in the Norma, I would stick to a good bullet.

I only have/use one load with the 250 Speer.

I had a Husqvarna 1652 in .358 Norma, and it was a great rifle; so great another guy wanted it badly enough to part me from it. I used the 225-grain TSX for everything in it and they under an inch and killed great without too much damage to meat. I used Reloader 15 powder, Norma cases, and Winchester WLRM primers.

Huskys are good rifles, Mausers in effect..and the 358 Norma is a real killer and IMO rates with the 375 H&H on the big mean stuff. Never have owned one but have seen it used a good deal and I was always impressed.

Well it seems that everyone agrees the 358 is quite a cartridge .Loudenboomer, I loaded up some 225 TSX's as you suggested with IMR 4350 just to get a handle on where max would be with these bullets in my rifle.(It has a short throat and will not handle loads the old P-14 358N will handle). The loads increased 1 gr at a time. The first 3 went into about 3/4 inch @ 100yds. So that has promise. Could I ask a favour of someone who has Quickload. I would like to try RL17 with the 225 Sierra and the 225 TSX bullets.Could someone run those combinations and run those bullets with IMR 4350 for comparison. Hope thats not asking too much. Thanks for all the replies.

BTT No one with Quickload have a few minutes to spare?

Sorry mate, I didn't see this post.

Can I have the following information please:

Proposed OAL,
Barrel length
Measured case water capacity( Once fired case with a primer in filled to the very top of the case mouth, please trim the case to the CIP spec and let me know what length that actually is before you do so. water weight in grains please.)

Best,

Adding to Ghubert's post, do you have any specific powder preferences?

quote:

Originally posted by snowman:
Well it seems that everyone agrees the 358 is quite a cartridge

Add me to this list.

It's main problem however is that it sits directly between two other great cartridges....the .338 Mag and the .375 H&H.... and both of these will do it all and are quite available in the USA and around the world....the .358 Norma is almost a handloading only proposition.

Magazine will allow 3.320inches max.Case holds 90 grs water. Barrel lengthe 26 in. Case length 2.510 in. As I stated above I have tried IMR 4350 with the 225 gr TSX and it is quite accurate but I have not chronographed any loads. I would like to know what Quickload suggests for IMR 4350 and RL17 with 225 TSX and 225 gr Sierra's. If there are any other powders that would be good with these combinations I would be interested in those as well. Thanks

Here is what QL gives for your conditions.



Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 225, Barnes 'TSX' 35824
Useable Case Capaci: 77.335 grain H2O = 5.021 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.320 inch = 84.33 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 96 68.40 2634 3466 44238 7406 93.4 1.347
-09.0 98 69.16 2662 3541 45691 7493 93.8 1.328
-08.0 99 69.92 2691 3617 47196 7578 94.3 1.309
-07.0 100 70.68 2719 3695 48754 7661 94.7 1.290
-06.0 101 71.44 2748 3773 50354 7742 95.2 1.272
-05.0 102 72.20 2776 3851 52042 7820 95.6 1.253
-04.0 103 72.96 2805 3931 53771 7896 96.0 1.235
-03.0 104 73.72 2834 4012 55573 7969 96.3 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 74.48 2862 4093 57437 8041 96.7 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 106 75.24 2891 4175 59369 8109 97.0 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 76.00 2919 4258 61366 8175 97.3 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 108 76.76 2948 4342 63430 8238 97.7 1.150 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 109 77.52 2976 4426 65567 8298 97.9 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 110 78.28 3005 4511 67785 8355 98.2 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 79.04 3033 4597 70088 8409 98.5 1.102 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 113 79.80 3062 4684 72481 8460 98.7 1.087 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 76.00 3049 4645 72603 8073 99.9 1.089 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 76.00 2748 3772 50543 7900 91.2 1.267

Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 225, Barnes 'TSX' 35824
Useable Case Capaci: 77.335 grain H2O = 5.021 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.320 inch = 84.33 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 90 67.50 2744 3763 45968 7889 98.5 1.303
-09.0 91 68.25 2773 3842 47465 7958 98.8 1.284
-08.0 92 69.00 2801 3921 49013 8023 99.0 1.266
-07.0 93 69.75 2830 4001 50616 8085 99.2 1.248
-06.0 94 70.50 2858 4082 52276 8143 99.4 1.230
-05.0 95 71.25 2887 4163 53993 8197 99.6 1.212
-04.0 96 72.00 2915 4245 55772 8247 99.7 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 97 72.75 2943 4327 57615 8293 99.8 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 98 73.50 2971 4410 59523 8336 99.9 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 99 74.25 2999 4493 61503 8374 100.0 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 75.00 3027 4577 63558 8408 100.0 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 101 75.75 3054 4661 65685 8438 100.0 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 102 76.50 3082 4746 67896 8466 100.0 1.098 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 103 77.25 3109 4831 70189 8493 100.0 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 78.00 3137 4916 72571 8520 100.0 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 105 78.75 3164 5002 75044 8546 100.0 1.053 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 75.00 3134 4908 75645 8046 100.0 1.057 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 75.00 2865 4101 52610 8531 97.0 1.225


Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 225, Sierra SPBT 2850
Useable Case Capaci: 81.845 grain H2O = 5.314 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.320 inch = 84.33 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 89 70.20 2768 3827 45227 8281 98.8 1.305
-09.0 90 70.98 2797 3907 46710 8351 99.0 1.286
-08.0 91 71.76 2825 3988 48243 8417 99.2 1.268
-07.0 92 72.54 2854 4069 49827 8479 99.4 1.250
-06.0 93 73.32 2882 4151 51468 8538 99.6 1.232
-05.0 94 74.10 2911 4233 53164 8592 99.7 1.214
-04.0 95 74.88 2939 4316 54920 8642 99.8 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 96 75.66 2967 4399 56736 8688 99.9 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 76.44 2996 4483 58618 8730 100.0 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 98 77.22 3024 4567 60567 8767 100.0 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 78.00 3051 4652 62585 8800 100.0 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 100 78.78 3079 4736 64677 8832 100.0 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 101 79.56 3107 4822 66845 8864 100.0 1.100 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 102 80.34 3134 4907 69093 8894 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 81.12 3161 4993 71418 8924 100.0 1.070 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 103 81.90 3189 5080 73843 8953 100.0 1.055 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 78.00 3158 4982 74665 8438 100.0 1.057 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 78.00 2890 4173 51653 8968 97.4 1.228


Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 225, Sierra SPBT 2850
Useable Case Capaci: 81.845 grain H2O = 5.314 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.320 inch = 84.33 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 96 72.00 2690 3615 45091 7898 94.4 1.328
-09.0 97 72.80 2719 3694 46605 7987 94.8 1.308
-08.0 98 73.60 2748 3774 48174 8074 95.3 1.289
-07.0 99 74.40 2778 3854 49797 8159 95.7 1.270
-06.0 100 75.20 2807 3935 51478 8241 96.1 1.252
-05.0 101 76.00 2836 4018 53213 8320 96.4 1.233
-04.0 102 76.80 2865 4100 55003 8397 96.8 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 103 77.60 2894 4184 56852 8471 97.2 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 78.40 2923 4268 58767 8542 97.5 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 106 79.20 2952 4354 60751 8610 97.8 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 80.00 2981 4440 62808 8675 98.1 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 108 80.80 3010 4526 64940 8737 98.3 1.131 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 109 81.60 3039 4614 67151 8795 98.6 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 110 82.40 3068 4702 69446 8850 98.8 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 83.20 3097 4791 71827 8902 99.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 112 84.00 3126 4880 74299 8950 99.2 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 80.00 3108 4826 74344 8501 100.0 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 80.00 2810 3945 51619 8443 92.4 1.247

Paul Thank You for that info. It would seem that RL17 will be an excellent powder for the 225 gr bullets. Thanks to all for youe comments& input. If anyone else out there has any other comments it would be good to hear from you.

quote:

It would seem that RL17 will be an excellent powder for the 225 gr bullets

Here is the order QL ranks the top few powders.

Alliant Reloder-17
Winchester 760
Hodgdon H414
Vihtavuori N550
Ramshot BigGame
SNPE Vectan SP 11
IMR 4895
Alliant Reloder-15

I'm running a 35 Wheelen Ackley Improved and have some great groups with 63.5/64/64.5 gr RL-15 and the 225gr Sierra Game King.

Good luck. Husq no good for me...lefty!! Otherwise I really like them! I'm jealous!

Snowman I've been shooting Norma's for 30 yrs and have used most bullets and quite a few different powders along the way. That being said my powder of choice is IMR 4895 under 225 NP or 280 Swifts with the Swifts being the only cartridges loaded up here at the house. I honestly can't tell the difference in hitting power with any combination I've ever used in a 358 Norma. Here's my 358(Norma Jean) at Pumice Creek last spring on the Penisula.

Waterrat,
Is that a synthetic Mannlicher stock???
Where did you get it??
I want one.

Cheers, John

Phatman,,,it's an MPI,,great stock!

You have the 225 Woodleigh, TSX or 225 Accubond that is good ones to try, Nosler comes with a 200 grain AB now in .35 cal, meant for the .358 Win, but for light load in the Mighty Norma it may be a very flat shooter deer round .

Loud-n-boomer, your Husqvarna was a 1652, mine is a 1651, do you know the difference?

quote:

Originally posted by Bukken:
Loud-n-boomer, your Husqvarna was a 1652, mine is a 1651, do you know the difference?

1?.....just a guess mind you

The difference is that my fat fingers hit the "2" key instead of the "1" key, and I did not proof read my post closely enough. Mine was a 1651 as well. What I liked about it was that it was light enough to carry all day and the recoil was very mangeable because of how well it balanced.

I have two Huskys made in 1930 and 135 respectively..They have barrel band swivels, barrel banded rear sights and they are both on Mauser 98 military actions, The 1930 rifle has a real sho nuff french walnut stock, schnalbe forend and its beautiful. The 1930 cheapened up and its has the bolt turned down for scope but neither is drilled and tapped for scope? It is butt ugly with the beech wood stock, and I had to glass it and repair the recoil splits but it shoot an inch everytime with most loads at 75 yards, I put cross bolts in it and use 9.3x62 case heads on the cross bolts and I'm going to refinish and dye the stock..It looks real nice and its a using gun. It has 14 notches in the stock and I have seen a lot of Huskys that are notched, it was Sweedish thing, fortunatly I can remove the easy enough when I refinish the stock..

Both are 9.3x62 caliber.

Thanks to everyone for their input. I've now tried 225 gr TSX, 225 Sierras and 225gr Accubonds. My rifle does not like the accubonds. The 225 gr TSX'x group under an inch with just about any load I tried with RL17 and IMR 4350.The 225 Sierra is also quite accurate. The TSX's and the Sierras group about 2- 2 1/2 inches above the 250 Hornadys @ 100yds.Max load in my rifle with RL17 still has lots of case capacity so I may try RL19 with the 225 TSX. I'm thinking the TSX may be my bullet of choice for everything as I have had excellent performance with the TSX in other calibres.