what calibers have you witnessed a kill on a deer.Have you ever shot the RUM or seen a deer killed with one.I think youre just geussing on all the BS you posted about the RUM.

Mr. Big,

Don't you know Smallfry knows everything

I also am a big fan of the Ultramar. I do however only use it on bigger animals and only with premium bullets. I feel it gives you a small advantage when you make a poor shot.

I had a great example in South Africa this year. My PH and my self had a very big Hartebeest located. It was bedded down on the edge of a Heard of about 50 animals. It was a funny situation it was a very windy day 30-40 kts, every other animal was out of the wind except the Hartebeest that where all on the top of the hill right out in the wind. We got set up about 150 yds from the heard. I was set up in a seated position. I could not shot him bedded because of the terrain. We waited 20-30 minutes and agreed I would shot when he stood up. I figured he would stand still for a moment. But he did not; as soon as he stood up he turned away from us turning to my right. I last saw my crosshairs just to the left of his rump as he was turning away from me and to the right. I squeezed the trigger and hit him just behind the ribs. The bullet went just under the ribs broke his left shoulder and the bullet cam to rest just under the skin on the left shoulder. In other words it traveled the length of his body broke a couple ribs going in and his left shoulder. The bullet hit no vitals.

The animal ran 10 yards and stopped broad sided facing the right. It actually confused the PH a little. He was not sure it was the same animal. The only thing that convinced him was the size of the horns. It was really a big animal. I put the second shot through both shoulders and he still ran 75 yds before he expired. The PH had never seen a Hartebeest react that way. He thought my first shot was much better. I told him it was a raking shot down the left side. I did think it went through the boiler room.

I credit the 3100 FPS with a 200 gr. Partition out of the 300 RUM, for not losing an animal and a $650.00 trophy fee. Maybe I should not have made the shot, but I did. It was the largest Hartebeest I had ever seen and I really wanted to bring him home.

Let me add that Ray, the PH, really hates Hartebeest. They are tough animals and he and clients have lost a couple during the year with poor shots. He finds them very tough especially when shot poorly. He has seen dozens of Hartebeest shot with lots of different calibers, and swears he has never seen one stopped with a shot that hit no vitals.

The first shot retained 120 grains, the second shot exited. And I know have a 26.5" Cape Hartebeest in my Trophy Room.

I also shot a Record book Eland at 194 Yds. Left Shoulder broke, top of the Heart and both lungs, broke the right shoulder and just broke the skin on the right shoulder. He dropped as if he was spined. Bullet retained 128 gr.

I have shot over 30 African Animals with three different Rifles. I will guarantee that the 300 RUM will be with me this year again. I liked it so much I order a HS Precision rifle in 300 RUM.

Attached are some pictures of the animals and bullets.

26.5 " Hartebeest



200 gr. Partition from Hartebeest



38" Cape Eland



200 gr. Partition from Eland



[ 03-23-2003, 04:39: Message edited by: tradewinds ]

I dont know him from Adam,just thought the way he was talking he had some eye witness account of a deer hit in the boiler room with the RUM that got away.

thats what this thing was made for no doubt.awesome pictures.you can imagine what it does to whitetail.

Mr. Big,

I have mostly used 30/06 on Deer and larger including African animals. It has always performed well, if the bullets are placed well. I was looking for a flatter shooting gun with heavier bullet weights.

I have been using a 270/300 WSM the last year and really like the SM concept. I am having a 270 WSM built for my light gun.

What Bullet type do you use?

I used the 180 gr Scirocco Factory Ammo, I think 3150 FPS on a Pronghorn/Mule Deer Hunt in Alberta. I shot both Animals at shorter ranges than expected around 100-125 yds. The bullets both blew apart at those velocities. Of course the animals expired very quickly, but would rather have a bullet that stays together.

mr. big... I am not sure why you are so butt-hurt over the fact that I said that RUMs probably kill like a 270 or other 300 mags. I have never shot a RUM or seen a deer shot by one. I have never seen a deer shot by many calibers... let me give you an example... the 308 norma magnum. But I have shot and seen shot deer with greater and lesser calibers than the 308 norma. My point is? I dont give two shits about an increase in 200 odd feet per second on a deer rifle, because at nondiscriptive ranges they all slow down, pass, or decel on each other. A 300 will soon become a 30-30, a 30-06 will soon become a 30-40 as examples. I dont hunt at the muzzle with a chronograph attached to my rifle.
Quite frankly all of your chatter points to your own short commings, I got over and accepted your opinion long ago.

tradewinds.....what caliber of rifle did you use the Scirocco with....Iam going muledeer hunting with either my 300 win mag., or my 300 RUM, and I was going to load some 180gr. Scirocco's...I love them at the range, and have heard great reports in the field as well about the Swift ammo...sakofan....

if you misjudge the distance by 50 yards at 350 the extra 300 fps will mean a kill instead of a miss or worse yet a wounded animal.

I use the 180 Balistic Tip on Deer.The largest weighing 240 on the hoof and the shot was from 20 ft high shooting straight down between his shoulders.I would say the bullet blew up I dont know there was one huge hole going in and 4 smaller ones coming out underneath between his legs.the one I shot going straight away at 90 yards I found the base of the bullet between his front legs with no lead attached.The others were classic lung heart shots and the 180NBT always made a softball size hole going out.

The one I shot with a 150 Partition was about 175 yards and bullet performance was closer to what most people like but it didnt just fall like all the rest.

[ 03-23-2003, 19:05: Message edited by: mr.big ]

Sakofan,

300 RUM, Again it killed the animals rather drastically. However the Scirocco broke into pieces. The bullets never hit any major bones. I would think they may do better at lower velocities. But the Scirocco was advertised as being made for the RUM.

I'm not sure who said the scirocco was a good bullet for the Ultra Mags, but they are full of BS. I've posted these pictures before, but check out:
http://www.contender-g2.com/bulletcp1.jpg
The one on the right is the 150 grain Scirocco, fired out of a 7mm Mag into water. The others are a 160 gr. Failsafe, a 140 grain Failsafe, and a 140 grain Partition, all fired from a 7mm STW into water.
The Scirocco is a accurate bullet but its terminal performance leaves something to be desired.

Those of you at this thread are probably the most knowledgable on the rum.Concerning factory ammo-does the bonded scirocco or the core lokt psp shrapnelize/destroy more tissue at close range?Please give your experience and/or knowledge.