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Picked up my CZ550 American in 9.3x62 yesterday. What a nice piece for the $$. My problem is the scope rings that came with the gun (nice touch). They're REALLY high (heavy, too). I prefer to keep the scope a little lower. Does anybody make lower rings for this animal? Thanks, R-WEST ------------------ | ||
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Brownells catalog shows Millet angle-loc rings for the CZ550, low, med and high in both the 1' and 30mm size | |||
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Thanx T.G. Got your paperwork, by the way. Pretty impressive. R-WEST | |||
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R, What gets shot 1st - the 416 or the CZ? Hehehehehehehe What's next? Did I mention that I have that 338-300 WSM that's looking for a home in Somerset? ------------------ Regards, Mark | |||
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RWest, check about ring height: the lowest one might give trouble because you get too close to the bolt handle. Medium will work fine, but be correct for scopes up to 56 mm ... ? Ignore the height issue. I thought just like you, the drop in the stock is too much, and the scope should be mounted low. After shooting and getting nice 1" groups ( first try, no real hard testing and development, also scope slipping ) I think it points nicer everytime I shoulder it ... It shoots 286 grs Lapua and PMP to the same point of impact! I will try both on game ASAP! Have fun with it! Hermann P.S.: I thought about a Win 70 .375 next, as CZ is a little bit heavy in that caliber, and the CZ in .416 would then be the next logical step. After my experiences this weekend with Win 70 and CZ 550, I might rather buy two CZ�s and perhaps lighten the .375 a little. Bolt jeweling? Hollow out bolt knob?Any suggestions? ------------------ | |||
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Thanks guys,  I was going to try talking him out of the stock rings, for my CZ that didn't come with any.  | |||
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Hey Tailgunner - Pygmy's right - the scope looks really funny sitting way up there; I bet a small bird could fly through the gap without any problems. I have a set of low Millett's on the way. I'll give them a try, and if there's a clearance problem with the bolt as aHunter mentioned, maybe try the mediums. I'd like to mount a 2-7 Redfield L.P. Widefield on there. Either way, I'm sure we can come up with a set for yours. PAWildcatter - they WERE both going to the range with me this past weekend, and use the old coin-flip method to determine which one to shoot first, but the fog/rain/wind changed my plans. We'll try again next weekend. I'm still trying to round up enough padding to put between me and the 416. As to the 338/300, I'd say that, between cwilson and myself, enough Somerset County $$ are in your pockets already. R-WEST | |||
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R-West.....Let me know how the Millets work..I might part with $50 to lower the scope .... Of course, the GAP between the scope and barrel might come in handy..I might want to stash an extra sandwich or a couple of cans of sardines there... | ||
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quote: R-WEST | ||
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RonS - Great, I didn't know you could get different height rings. I've heard the possibility of scope clearance problems with the low rings at another forum, so, here's hoping. I'd sure like to use that LP Widefield set as close to the bore c/l as possible. After 30 years of shooting with scopes mounted as low as possible, I just can't get used to these newfangled high-mounted jobbies with the monster objectives. Sandwiches/sardines, ehh Pygmy? Are you allowed to bait bears in NY? R-WEST | |||
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Bait bears...???... NAAAAW...It's just that the sardines remind me of some of my old girlfriends.. 'Sides...Baiting bears is illegal in NY... | ||
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R-West, There's always room in a gun safe somewhere for a custom Sendaro 338-300WSM!!!!!!!!!!1 Hehehehehe. ------------------ Regards, Mark | |||
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PAWildcatter - What are the specs on that 338/300 WSM again? Drop me an e-mail. R-WEST | |||
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 OOPS!! Problems. Stuck the low Milletts on last nite, and they are definitely going to interfere with the scope. Probably wouldn't be a problem on a scope that's got a little straighter eyepiece, but the Widefield I want to use has a pretty wide one, so, it's back to Brownells for a set of mediums.One thing's for sure, the Milletts are a lot lighter than the factory rings. Hey Tailgunner - I've got a set of factory CZ rings for you to try. Should I send them to you? R-WEST ------------------ | |||
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R-West If you wouldn't mind sir, I would appricate it. We'll find out how they work on the 416 Rigby Bob | |||
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They (Cz Rings) work well on the .416 my friend and whom both have cz 550 .416's use the cz rings with no dramas 200 shots bewteen the two rifles with 410 grain woodleighs at about 2600 fps. We use leupold Vari x 11 2-7x33 scopes on the .416's with no trouble to date as well. ------------------ | |||
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Tailgunner - They're on the way. PC - I have no doubt of the quality of the CZ rings - they're built like tanks. Had I known I could get them in low or medium configuration, I wouldn't be having this problem. I guess we never stop learning. R-WEST | |||
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Okay, after doing some thinking (now I have a headache), I determined that, perhaps, a scope with smaller eyepiece would work with the low Milletts. Some rummaging around in the scope inventory produced a 2-7 Leupold VX II, which had a smaller eyepiece than the test scope I'd put on there in the first place, so, I stuck the Leupold on there and voila` (hmmm, wonder how you get the ` over the letter you're trying to accent?), it works. The Widefield I was hoping to use will definitely not work, but, the Leupy isn't a bad choice, so, the problem may be solved. Now, if the winds will just stay below the 25 - 30 MPH range we've been seeing for the past few days, I may actually get a chance to try the 550 out. The CZ rings are definitely husky. While packaging them up to ship to Tailgunner, I compared the weight to the Milletts on our certified postal scale. CZ's = 6.4 oz; Milletts = 3.4 oz. Not earth shattering, but, there's definitely a LOT more meat in the CZ's. R-WEST | |||
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I have a 550FS in 7x64 (Don't ask, I have always done weird stuff) and I was saving for some rings, and I went into a gun shop that kind of specializes in CZ rifles. They had Warne rings for 19mm CZ rifle bases. These are the rings that are permanently attached and are not blued but have some kind of baked on finish. I have a pair for my Marlin 444 that are Weaver compatable. Very well made and cost $34.00. I will test next week. | |||
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Okay. Learned a few things today. The wind died down enough that I could actually try the 9.3x62 out. I discovered that the MILLETTS ARE JUNK!!! The mating lug that the CZ rings have fit tightly into the notch at the rear mounting location. The Milletts have a little sissy-pants tab that doesn't fit very tight, and, the rings walked all over the place. And, yes, the rings were TIGHT. The recoil of the 9.3 x 62 isn't that vicious, of course I was also shooting a 416 RMAG (quit smirking PAWildcatter) at the same time, so, maybe it just didn't SEEM that wicked. In any event, the Milletts have been relegated to the, well, I don't know where they landed, but, they're not on the CZ anymore. Okay, I guess we call CZ and try to get some lows or mediums from them. I understand Talley also makes rings for the CZ, and, they only cost as much as a night on the town with the missus, so, I guess she's out of luck. R-WEST | |||
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Ahem.. Okay, took a couple Valium, so, can report on the CZ itself. Before the scope started walking, I got two groups (53.5 I4895/WLR primers/270 Speers in Lapua brass) in the 1.2" range, then it started scattering shots everywhere. The factory adjusted trigger is slightly less than awful. There was at least 1/4" of creep, and the pull was way above what my gauge can register. In the "set" position, it was a few ounces, at most, but, you can still feel the creep. Being used to the Rem 700/Win 70 triggers, I just couldn't get it worked out. The Owner's manual actually has trigger adjustment instructions (must not be very many lawyers in Czechoslovakia), so, I took 'er apart. The action is pillar bedded, and there are two recoil lugs - one integral to the action, and one attached to the barrel. Anyway, back to the trigger - I was able to get it set to about 4# and relatively crisp. Wasted a pile of time and bullets, powder, etc.., because of those #&@*!!%($#(@& rings (oops, need a few more Valium), so, I hope to provide a better report once the proper rings are on there. Would I buy another CZ? In a heartbeat!! The quality of the innards of that thing is at least the equal of any brand name rifle out there, at a good bit less money. If I'd left the high, built like a tank CZ (they left today, Tailgunner) rings on there, I'd probably be sitting here gloating at everybody right now. So how do you like that 7x64, mikethebear (welcome, by the way)? I'm thinking, maybe one of those, or, perhaps a 6.5x55, with the proper rings, of course, not those *$*@*#)_$@( Milletts.
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Dave Talley makes rings for the CZ's.I use Talley rings on most of my rifles.Very good quality,and strong. 1geejay www.shooting-hunting.com | ||
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R-West Contact CZ-USA and see if they will trade rings with you. I will return your 'hi' rings to you, as soon as they arrive, if you desire. Bob | |||
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Tailgunner - No return needed. Those things are so high I can't imagine ever having a scope which would be big enough to need them. You'll see what I mean when they get there. I'm going to try a set of Talleys like 1GEEJAY suggested. 1GEEJAY - Do you have any idea where I might find the Talleys? R-WEST [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 04-29-2002).] | |||
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I don't have expirience with the 550 but I had a similar problem with my CZ 527 American. The supplied rings were Millet mediums and I was mounting a Leupold 2-7 Compact. The rings came in Millet original packaging so I called Millet and they swapped me even up for low rings. For a really sleek mount, how about Conetrol? They make DapTar bases for the CZ and their projectionless rings. $100 though but it would be neat on ly 527. | |||
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You could also try out Warne medium highs. I've got a pair of QD rings on my CZ550 in 375 H&H. Was just this day out on the shooting-range and put a few rounds through the rifle off-hand for practice. The rings hold up very well. I have a Leupold 1-4x20 on the rifle and the height of the mount suits me. [This message has been edited by Wachtel (edited 05-01-2002).] | |||
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I have a set of Talleys on order. I'm still waiting to hear from CZ-USA about availability of low rings (they must not read their e-mails), and I just noticed B-Square shows the "Lynx" QD rings for the 550 in Natchez's latest flyer. Now, if I could just get some of them HERE, I might be able to shoot it again. R-WEST | |||
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R-West, To stick with the millimeters Just dump that 9.3 and continue practicing with that 10.57 fire breather. And while you're at it there is that second 10.57 that we've been discussing - $$$$s have been decreased. Hey that 8.59 WSM would do you well too. Hope that all works out in the ring dept. mnh ------------------ Regards, Mark | |||
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PAWildcatter - Have to pick up the new scoot tomorrow ($$$), then the small matter of my Homeowners Insurance due next Friday (many $$$); the wife's spectacles need picked up (a lot of $$$ - without them she's blind as a bat; that's why I proposed when she wasn't wearing them), so, I'm a little cash shy right now. Drop me an e-mail with revised pricing. On second thought, she's familiar enough with the kitchen (that's the only place she's supposed to be, right), so, she should be able to get around for a while longer without them, I guess. R-WEST [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 05-04-2002).] | |||
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I got a buy on 21 boxes of 7x64. 175 grain, 140 grain, and 160 grain from federal, and the rest from Remington. I tested the 175 grain remington since I have 10 boxes of it. I didn't have a sandbag, so I had to rest my elbows on the bench and the butt on my shoulder. Got 1.75" group at 100 yards from my 550 full stock. The average of 10 shots was 2530 fps. Not bad for a 20" barrel. The Remington ammo was kind of erratic. The highest being 2580, and the slowest being 2450. Quite a spread. The mounts lined the scope up very well with the bore (warne steel - non detachable) They are medium height, and just barely clear the scope bell. But I am pleased with them. I think I can improve the groups with handloads as soon as I get the dies. I have read that you can follow the 280 remington data in a newly manufacture rifle. Probably use it during deer season. If I can slip off to the "bad hog woods" I might get a chance to shoot a hog before fall. My only gripe is that it has a plastic follower, and the CZ people told me that they didn't have an metal followers, but to check back in 6 weeks. But the followers have been order for a year. Also the set trigger should not be used in a hunting situation. Just too sensitive. I have the instruction book and I am goint to adjust the regular trigger, and ignore the set trigger. | |||
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Okay, got the Talley rings this PM. Boy, they sure look impressive (for $70.00, they should!!), and, they even have a substantial tab to fit the rear dovetail. Now, if the weather will co-operate a little, I'll be set. mikethebear - I'm with you, that set trigger is just TOO sensitive. Yes, the 7x64 is just about identical to a 280 Rem as far as load data/ballistics. R-WEST | |||
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To RWest and all: the CZ rings will fit just fine 56 mm scopes. The ring height may be reduced by any smith, who really is worth that name. Simply take away material from the bottom of the rings base. Also, the bases may be reduced by something. This could also be done so the bottom of the rings is slightly "inside" the bases. Don�t make the bases too thin! For centering the scope, the hole in the base may be enlarged in one direction ( and eventually rewelded ). My bases sit tight, but the scope slipped forward! Hope it holds now, no time for testing! RWest, skip the Valium, take a beer or two! :-)) Hermann ------------------ | |||
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