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some of you know i shoot a 270/300wm Weaver wildat and have had great results with 140 grn barnes on sheep, goats, caribou etc. I am going to Sonora on a mule deer hunt in January and would like to go up to a 150 or 160 grain. North fork has a 150 and Nosler has both a 150 and 160. I may be shooting 400 and beyond and want plenty of energy out to that range. | ||
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Berger has a line of long range hunting bullets with excellent BC. | |||
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SMK 135 is hard to beat as a combination of BC and velocity. Berger 140 and 150gr VLD's could also be a good alternative. I have them but haven't loaded them yet. If you prefer bonded bullets consider the 150gr Interbond and the 140gr Accubond. I've had good results with both of those bullets in other calibers. | |||
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I don't know how much MV your getting but why don't you think the 140 grain TSX won't work? I've hammered mule deer with the .270 Win beyond 400 yards with 130 grain Sierra GK's. I agree with the suggestion of a 140 Accubond with its BC or .496 it is a much better choice than either Partition offering you mentioned. I don't know how it would compare to the North Fork bullets. If you just have to use a different bullet I'd get the Accubond and try them first. | |||
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Jim, if you want a long, sleek 150gr bullet to hammer deer, the 150gr BT will do the job for you. Why are you switching from the Barnes? Are you looking for something that will group better, or did it fail you in someway on one of your hunts? | |||
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Those Nosler Partition in 160 grain are very, very long! In my 270 WCF I can't (read won't) use them as on a standard Mauser length action there's too much bullet stuck back inside the case. That may or may not be an issue with your wildcat 270-300WM The 150 grain Nosler Partition I have are the earlier Partition Gold and the current Partition. That 150 grain Partition Gold is also very, very long. Longer than the current Nosler partition in the same weight. The current 150 grain Partition is about 1/8" longer than Speer's 150 grain spitzer flat base (discontinued) Hot Cor offering. In Scotland a lot of shooters favour the 140 grain as giving a little more weight but still getting a high velocity of 2,950 with sensible handloads of H4831 in 270 WCF...so your wildcat should easily surpass that! | |||
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I have been getting 3350 MV with the 140Tsx barnes and have mapped up to 600 yards. I just wantred at least 10 more grn up front in case I have to shoot long range on a big Muley. I spoke with Chuck Hawks by e-mail and he does not have experience with the .277NF. Hopping someone here had good results to share? I have only bought the NF from Mike in Wy and they were 416 btw they shot great out of my 416 Rigby out to 400 yards. | |||
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I've had great luck with the 150g Nosler Partition at 3000 fps out of my 270 out past 500 yards. It's very accurate in my rifle and always expands at long range, as well as the rear half holding together and penetrating causing massive damage on elk as close as 15 feet. Can't ask for much more. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I shoot a .270wcf have for over 50 yrs, NP 160 my bullet of choice. Mule Deer & Elk. | |||
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never had a Barnes TSX to fail on an animal..the expansion control and retenion are very good. They do not print as well after 200yds | |||
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At the risk of sounding like a smart ass, what does 10 more grains of bullet weight do for you that you need on a long range shot on a large critter that the TSX won't do? Until you answered the question about why you wanted something other than the 140 TSX, I assumed that you were looking for something that would be a sleeker bullet with a better bc or one that would certain to expand at a low velocity way out there. But with the muzzle velocity you're getting the TSX is still going almost 2200 fps (my minimum for expansion with a Barnes TSX) at 600 yards and that solid shank isn't going to break or deform. It'll go stem to stern. LWD | |||
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Jim, most long range shooters choose the heavy bullts for the increased BC, not because the mass is needed for penetration. I shoot a 7mm STW. I load a 160gr Nosler Accubond to around 3475 fps. Where I need the heavy bonded bullet is not at the extended ranges, but up close. Lightly constructed bullets don't perform very well at those velocities. Af for the 160gr NPT, it's a flat base, semi-spitzer, which gives it a BC of .434. It would not be my choice for long range shooting. The 150 BT, is .496. Both are higher then the 140gr Barnes at .404. I actually expected the Barnes to be higher.... Dad shoot a custom .270 Win. His load pushes a 130gr NBT around 3350. Two years ago he shoot a large bodied Mulie at 384 yards. DRT spine shot. The did everything we've come to expect from them. | |||
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Your 140 gr. bullet is fine for long range Mule Deer..I have used the std 270 and 130 gr. bullets for years..I was raised on a ranch that was aboutg a yard and half from Mexico and the whole family used 222s and 270s..I have hunted in Sonora seveal times and never felt the need for anything more than something like a 7x57, 308, 30-06 or 270..but I also kept in mind that shooting at extreme range is a good way to shoot off legs or the wind gets the guts and you loose the deer and your hunt is over an you gotta pay up..A good reason to do your hunting before your shooting IMO..There are lots of troph deer on those Mexico ranches, keep your shots to 300 yards standing is my advise. The option is of course yours not mine. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I agree with you on no more than 300 yards. I also know that going to the last day of the hunt and he is out beyond 400 but within 600 I would like a bullet from my 270 that will take him down. I had this to happen on a large Mt goat in Alaska 3 years ago and made the shot at 583 yds with a 140TSX. The hit was good (both lungs)but we had to track for 100yds. | |||
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As a long range shooter, that tells me you didn't have adequate expansion. In this instance you don't need a bullet that is more robust, but one that will expand reliably at these extended ranges. Long range = lower impact velocity = fewer stress to expand the bullet = a less dynamic impact. If you go with the BT it will open faster the the Barnes at extended ranges. | |||
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Barnes TSX Boat Tail or other? | |||
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Sorry for the Abreviation. BT = Nosler Ballistic Tip. | |||
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Yes, I agree. In my experience, a good double lung hit with a TSX pretty much purees the lungs and the deer doesn't go far if at all. I think the farthest I've had a deer go from a good TSX lung hit is maybe 30 yards. Twice I've had deer go further, but that was when I put the bullet into the top back of the lungs. Even then neither went more than 100 yards. I don't have any experience yet with the Tipped TSX, but the biggest knock on the TSX is the limited impact velocity range. Above 3000 fps, you'll lose some or all of the petals. Below 2200 fps impact velocity, they may or may not open. LWD | |||
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What sort of groups do you get at say 500yds? Accuracy is a great deal more important than velocity or BC at long range. Longer bullets with impressive BC's may or may not be as accurate in you rifle as shorter bullets depending on your barrels rate of twist and muzzel velocity. Since you are shooting a 270+++ cartidge you may find that given your barrels rate of twist the 150 may fly just fine given the extra velocity. Higher velocity will sometimes compensate for slower twist rates in terms of stabilization. Accurate rifles may shoot "everything" into a nice one inch group at 100 yds but groups may open at real long range to not so great levels if the bullets are not optimally stabilized. I have loads with long 150gr bullets that seem as accurate as the short 130gr loads until you get to 400yds or more. I can't drive the long 150gr fast enough in my 270 Win to overcome the 1 in 10 twist. 130gr = sub 5 inches at 550. 150gr = sub 10 inches at 550. Both a big ragged hole at 100. I have shot completely through deer and antelope at over 400 yds with plane-jane Hornady Interlocks, the same bullet tended to fall apart at 50 yds, still DRT deer though. IF I were antisipating longer shots only I'd favor expansion over penetration. | |||
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Nosler markets the ballistic tip as a deer bullet. That attracts my interest right there. I would not want a real strong bullet for long range deer. The high BC and excellent accuracy of the BT 150 would be tough for me not to pick. | |||
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Have any of you any animal kills with the Berger .277 140VLD Hunting bullet? We here all the time about the accuraccy what about performance of expansion and retension? | |||
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Well, I only shoot a standard .270 Win. but my all round bullet for it is the 150 gr. Sierra Game King. Success rate on deer regardless of range has been 100 Percent. Accracy from 4 different rifles chambered to .270 Win. has been superb with 3 guns shooting sub-MOA and only the Ruger #1A shooting groups as large as 1.25". Paul B. | |||
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I would try the 140gr Barnes TTSX, 150gr Ballistic tip, accubond, 150gr Hornady Interbond, or SST. Any of those bullets will kill a mule deer, have a fairly high BC. Pick the one that shoots the best. I would stay away from Nosler Partitions or Northforks simply because of BC's, not because of any lack of performance. I cannot bring myself to use Berger's on big game, even though there is plenty of evidence showing that they work and their accuracy cannot be disputed. | |||
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Agreed, which is why I recommended Berger VLD's. I have no experience with the VLD .277's on game animals, but plenty with the 210gr in a 300 WM. Awesome results and quick kills on broadside, frontal and quartering on shots. I let the others pass with these bullets which are not penetrators, but violent expanders. I've shot quite a number of large bodied blue wildebeest (4 or 5), gemsbuck (6 or 7), black wildebeest, hartebeest and smaller game with them. Results were great. They perform as stated by Berger. The VLD and the term "weight retention" are parts of two totally different concepts in killing. The Bergers do not afford you the luxury of impatience, rashness and poor angles. Those are questionable in most hunting situations anyway. If you want to take shots at poor angles and require penetration then go for something tougher like an AB or IB. But take heed of Antelope Sniper's comments above... | |||
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in the 270, I am sort of fond of three bullets.. 140 grain ballistic tip.. 140 grain Sierra HP 160 grain Nosler partition SMP.. nothing to apologize about on any one of them, used on any big game I'd likely hunt in the lower 48... | |||
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A little off topic, but not much. A couple years ago I went hunting in Montana. Took a 33 RUM with 225 Gr. Accubonds. I spent considerable time picking out a bullet and found that the Accubonds did the best at the range out to 300 yds. IIRC I zero'd at 300 yds., which put me 4" high at 100. I had a B&C reticle on a Leupold scope. Figured I was good to 500 for sure. Ended up shooting a mulie at 110 yds. Good thing I remembered I was 4" high. Best GWB | |||
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Accuracy is everything when it comes to uber long shots. I would suggest a Ballistic tip or a Sierra. I Agree with Ray though. I cant say about Mexico, but where Im from deer dont typicaly spook if your still 300 yds away. Do both yourself and your trophy a favor and get a little closer. AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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Everyone does this differently. I sight in all of our scoped rifles (270, 375 Weatherby, 500 Jeffery) 2.5" high at 100 yards, puts them pretty much dead on at 25 yards and depending on the caliber dead on again at between 250 yards (270 150g Partition at 3000 fps)) and 180 yards (500 Jeffery 570g TSX at 2300 fps) so no holdover calculations are really required as long as you're going for a behind the shoulder or frontal shot out to at least 200 yards with all of them. With the 270 I have the 1', 2', 4' rule 1' low at 400 yards, 2' low at 450 yards ,4' low at 500 yards ... I'm too old and shaky to shoot from a sitting position at more than 500 yards. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I will drive down to the NRA Whittington center over the Christmas break and after loading and testing at my home 100 yd range. I will load Nosler AB 140 and 150....Barnes 140TSX. Thanks for all your help. | |||
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Well the 270 and 300 Win have made my forget about all other cartridges. I had beaucoup of actions and plans for this and that and instead I have 4 .270s, one more on the way and 3 .300 Win. It is a very easy rifle to shoot- accurate, little recoil (I think none), easy to load and plenty of bullet options with weights, types and mfg. I use one primarily for hunting around home. That rifle likes 130gr TSX and IMR 4831. I also use one rifle primarily for air travel. That rifle likes 140gr TSX and H 4831 SC. The good thing about TSX is that you can go over Max w/out pressure signs- I have both loads at just over 3000 fps. Dropped deer from 70-318 yds. Good luck. There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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150 grain bullets @ close to 3300ft/sec and 140 grainers @ 3400 ft/sec the .270wea doesn`t loose breath to the winnie....Mine hasn`t yet  DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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