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| I have a pre-81 BLR in .358. The muzzle seems to be .564 inches. If that helps anyone. I have a Model 70 compact in 7mm-08, and I am so temped to have it rebarreld to .358. I bought three boxes of winchester 200 grain yesterday in Austin Texas at the 10% gun shop. He stocks it regular. |
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| Savage99- Why oH Why would I want to disuss anything with you? You have a lot of self confidence because you don't know shit! if you did I and most of the other posters would recognize it! What I recognize is a real bullshit artist! Loser! I've been a lurker herem on AR for about a year now and I've learned to recognize the dumb-asses! You be one! |
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| It's probably been said and I don't remember if I did it ot not. But the gent asking about .250 grn speers penetration and expansion. I've used the .250 speer spire point on bear over bait, short range, and I never recovered a bullet untill two years ago. I shot a blond black bear at about 60 yds the bullet went throug both shoulder and lodged in it's left fron leg bone breaking the bone first. very steep angle. It was a perfect textbook mushroom. But that is the only .250 speer bullety I've recovered( It was a big bear 500+) Now I know this slunds like a tall tale but the year before, out of the same stand, I shot a nice 350 lb chocolate colored bear and killed two with one shot. It passed throught the larger bear and killed a blond bear standing beside it, it weighed 268 lbs' We never found a bullet ! |
| | | Posts: 367 | Location: Farmington, Mo | Registered: 07 July 2002 |
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| I have one a rebored 308 ADL, by Dick Nickol. It is very accurate and groups very well, but I wouldn't have another one.
I have a Ruger Special Edition 35 Whelan with 2x7 Nikon that is all the 358 Win will ever be and a whole lot more. It is lighter, more accurate, easier to carry, easier to reload (?) much more versitle and has more thump on the winning end.
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| I don't own a .358, but have been handloading for a friend's Savage 99. Best results so far have been 200gr. Hornady Spire Points over 4895 at about 2400 fps. Any favorite loads out there? I have a box of the ballistic tips, but they appear to take up too much case capacity when seated at a depth that will allow magazine feeding- has anyone used the ballistic tip in a 99? If so, what load did you use and to what success? Thanks. |
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| Someone, maybe Nosler, said not to use the Ballistic Tip for the reason that you have found.
Be careful with head separations in the 99 as it has rear locking lugs. Check inside of every case with a feeler wire but your load at 2400 sounds good. I used 46 grs of IMR 3031 with the 200's in my 99's for 2460 fps which is about the same load that you have. Don't load the 99 too hot as you will really tear the heads off.
Now a friend and I have been using the 180 Speer Flat Point Hot Core with excellent results on deer and black bear. I use IMR 4198 with that bullet.
Try to have that rifle around so that you can set the FL die just so. They should be FL sized each time in my opinion so that the lever will close easily but not too much sizing of course. |
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I have one a rebored 308 ADL, by Dick Nickol. It is very accurate and groups very well, but I wouldn't have another one.
I have a Ruger Special Edition 35 Whelan with 2x7 Nikon that is all the 358 Win will ever be and a whole lot more. It is lighter, more accurate, easier to carry, easier to reload (?) much more versitle and has more thump on the winning end.
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WELCOME to AR.
A .350 Rem mag out of a 600 will rip a 35 Whelen to shreds, but, that isn't what this thread is about. There are LOTS of .35 cals out there that will throw farther, faster, flatter with more weight BUT that isn't what this thread is about either.
It is about experiences with the .358 Win.
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| I currently have a nice 358 in a Savage 99, I'm making another 358 using the left handed short action I have on order from Montana Rifle, that one will wear a Douglas barrel. I like the 200gr. Hornady SP.
I have the little sister to the 358 (338-08) in a Winchester 88. (barrel was rebored). All of these are just sweet shooting rifles.
I have another Winchester 88 in 308 that is just begging to be rebored into a 358, but for now will have to wait till I see what my new Montana is like. |
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I currently have a nice 358 in a Savage 99, I'm making another 358 using the left handed short action I have on order from Montana Rifle, that one will wear a Douglas barrel. I like the 200gr. Hornady SP.
I have the little sister to the 358 (338-08) in a Winchester 88. (barrel was rebored). All of these are just sweet shooting rifles.
I have another Winchester 88 in 308 that is just begging to be rebored into a 358, but for now will have to wait till I see what my new Montana is like.
I HAVE thought for years that the 338-08 would be just a great little cartridge for just about everything.
What kind of load/bullet do you push through it?
I have one of the Steyr Mausers that was converted to .308 years back that SOG sold for a song. Thinking of converting it.
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| My first hunting rifle was a BLR in 358. Man its been a while since I gave some positve thought to that rifle. World's worst trigger, stock had to much drop, scope didn't have enough eye relief and cut me all the time, loud, muzzel blasting flame throwing piece of shit. Damn that gun made me flinch! My .338 Win. doesn't kick any harder. Boy I miss that gun. I should have never sold it. Shot my first deer, bear, moose with it. What a killing machine, and quick on target too. What was I thinking selling that flea bitten junk pile? Am I nuts? All I wanted was a 340Wby. Man that was a real gun, and it was all I could think about back then (well girls to of course). Funny how things come full circle. I think I'll go buy another BLR in 358 Win. Now there's a real gun. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) |
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| Lawcop: So far I've tried about 4 different bullets in my 338-08. They have all worked well but I've settled on the 225gr. Hornady SP. The others I've tried were the 200 Hornady FN, 200gr. Combined Tech. Ballistic Tip (most accurate) and the 225gr. Nosler Partition. I've only used IMR4895 and Reloader7 powders. Right now I'm loading new 308 Federal Match Brass with 36gr. of Reloader 7 and a 225gr. Hornady SP. I figure I'm getting just under 2500fps with this load. The 88 Winchester rebore was started by Dick Nickles but had to be finished by Cliff LaBounty after Dick died. Top picture is my 338-308 Model 88, below it is my other 88 in 308. Nice to see another Michigander on the site.  |
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| I have a BLR '81 in .358 and it works! But for me the best kept secret in the woods is the .375 Winchester. |
| | | Posts: 128 | Location: East Central NC, USA | Registered: 26 May 2002 |
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| I've been writing and emailing the gun manufacturers for the last several years campaigning for a .350 RM and a .358 Winchester. Wrote Savage recommending their Scout or Sierra would be just the ticket for a .35.
Remington wrote back thanking me for the suggestions and they were passed on to the Marketing Division.
Ruger did the same and also mailed me a patch.
Now that at least Remington has brought back the .350 RM, time for everyone to write...can't hurt and doen't cost much.
I've never had a .358 but do have two .350s, a 600 and 700 Classic. A rebored M7 stainless, Ruger MKII or a #1A rebored from a .243 would really be something...Bob |
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| I have to differ with the comment that a .350 rem. mag. will rip a .35 Whelen from a Remington 600. Not so. The .350 Rem. is loaded to it's full potential. The .35 Whelen is NOT! Bear with me. I have seen Winchester 1895s that were originally in 30-06 that have been rebored to .35 Whelen as well as numerous 1903 Springfields, some even in the low numbered range which technically are considered unsafe to shoot. Then Remington legitimizes the round, but chambers it in not only the Model 700 as the Classic of the year, but in the pump action rifle as well.
Let's see. Weak rifles vs strong rifles. Remington had no choice but to load the Whelen rounds up so as to be safe in those old weak rifles. They were not hamstrung by this problem with the .350 Rem. Mag. because it was placed in a strong modern rifle to begin with.
So, if you compare the difference with factory ammo only, you have a valid point. However, if you load both cases up to full potential, then it's a whole nuther ball game. My friend and shooting buddy has a Reminton 700 in .355 Rem. mag. His hottest handloads are only about 50 FPS faster than my hottest handload in my Remington Classic. Seems to me, 50 FPS just ain't ripping the Whelen by a hell of a lot. I know damn well, I'm getting more out of my Whelen that you could push from the 18.5" barrel of a 600.
factory Whelens are at best loaded to 48-50 thousand PSI. The .350 is closer to 60 thousnand PSI, give or take. Kind of like comparing a staock Ford Pinto to a Torino with the Cobra jet engine.
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| I just read this thread for the first time because I bumped into the .358 while reading through my new Barnes reloading manual. Good information here, but I don't see much about the felt recoil of the .358. My wife really (and I mean REALLY) wants to hunt bears. She's a tiny gal and not real fond of recoil. To date, she's taken a couple of deer and an oryx with her .257, and an axis, a sika, and a big hog with a borrowed .270. I have no problem putting her up against a little NM black bear with her .257, but when (I'm sure it's when, not if) we head north for something larger and furrier, I'd like her to have something with a bit more oomph. If chambered in a properly fitted rifle, do ya'll think that someone who can handle a .257/.270 would be well served by a .358?
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| I have two -- a 18.5 Ruger M77 and a Weatherbe Vanguard 22" with a Bell Carlson stock-- my little brother has the Ruger- I am happy with my Weatherbe-- I have taken Deer out to 225 yards witha 200 gr. pspcl and a 225 gr BTSP both with 748 and both do the job well -- only one other .358 i would like and that is a BLR and my work for one. |
| | | Posts: 91 | Location: Milan Tenn. | Registered: 26 May 2002 |
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| Your wife can shoot the .358 just fine if she can shoot a .270. I shot mine this morning in s t shirt with full power .250 grn losds snd no problem it is a Blr 81. I don't know where these guys git this kick stuff about the .358 If you can shoot a .270/.308 etc the .358 is easy and you can shoot big furry critters with it, no problem ! |
| | | Posts: 367 | Location: Farmington, Mo | Registered: 07 July 2002 |
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| Had a Ruger .358 carbine for a couple years used 250grain sierra's.REAL KILLER.Regret trading that gun. |
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| PaulB is correct about the Whelen. It was loaded to 50,000 cup and the .350 to 53,000 cup. Although the .350 has a greater case capacity, the Whelen has a greater "useable" case capacity with the larger bullets. There is just not that much difference between the two rounds.
Now if you could get a longer magazine in a .350 so that the bullets could be seated out farther so that the overall length could be increased, it could prove interesting. |
| | | Posts: 361 | Location: Valdez, AK (aka Heaven) | Registered: 17 January 2003 |
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| I own a couple 358's 1 in Win Ruger 77 rare carbine w/ 18" barrel and 1, in 358 Norma in a custom. Both are extremely accurate shooting 1 hole groups.
After reading all the feedback, I'll cut to the chase. The 358 is the primo of hunting cartridges and is making a heck of a come back.
Everything I ever shot looked like a piano fell on it and did not blow up a front quarter. If I had my final choice for a PA deer/bear rifle I would take a 358 Win. over ANY new speed caliber.
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| I have both a 35 Whelen and a 350 RM built on standard length 98's. The 350 has a 20" barrel and the 35 Whelen has a 24" barrel. The 350 outdoes the Whelen by 50-100 fps with all bullet weights. Might just be these particular rifles, then again, might not. FIW - Dan |
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| Seeing as comment have been made regarding the recoil of the .358 Win., I guess I'll have put in my two pennies worth.
One, it depends on the fir of the rifle to the individual. Two, it pays to ignore what some of the "egg-spruts" in the gun rags spit out of their rear ends. So here's the skinny based on shooting four rifles in .358 Win.
Browning BLR. Rifle is accurate as hell, but too muzzle light in my opinion. Mine is one of the first ones pre-BLR-81. barrel upchuck is quicker than my other rifles which seems to make the recoil seem a bit harder, although managable.
Savage 99. This rifle seems to kick less than the browning, probably because it is better balanced and a little bit heavier. Accuracy is good.
Ruger 77. This one is strictly stock, so far. Recoil is about the same as on the Savage. Accuracy is about the same as the savage, although this one prefers the hottest loads you can ram through it.
The last rifle is also a Ruger 77, but has been stocked with a Ramline synthetic stock and sports a Pachmeyr Decelerator pad. Rifle is the most accurate of the four and between the synthetic stock and better recoild pad, the rifle is pleasureable to shoot.
For some very stupid reason, Ruger used a 1 in 16" twist rate to the barrel while Winchester, who developed the cartridge, used a proper 1 in 12" twist. I belive my BLR and Savage have 1 in 12" twists.
Recoil of all three rifles is noticable, but not all that bad. We all know how influential the late Jack O'Connor was, just by looking at what he did for the .270. The comments he made on the .358 were "It's just a woods cartridge." and "It kicks like hell!" It's not just a woods round as people are now finding out and it doesn't kick any harder than a .270 or 30-06 if the stock fits right. Methinks old Jack did the .358 Win. a pretty bad deed.
The .358 with a good 200 gr. bullet works pretty well, but for the larger bears, I would consider a good 250 gr. bullet. I don't really think a premium bullet is necessary. There is an article in an old Ourdoor Life where this fellow was attacked by a large Grizzly Bear. His huntingpartner killed the bear with one shot from a factory 250 gr. bullet, unfortunately discontinued. Bullet (non-premium) passed clean through the bear and shattered his hunting partners leg, causing it to be amputated. (250 gr. Silvertip) The guy that lost the leg doesn't blame his friend as he feels he saved his life. Nowadays, some greedy scumsucking lawyer would probably try to do a law suit on this.
In a good bolt action rifle, it should be no problem to reach 2300 FPS which out to 200 yards is a lot of punch. I like the Speer Hot-core myself. A friend hunts moose in Canada with that bullet in a .35 Whelen and shoots through both shoulders of large moose. (He'd rather loose a little meat than the whole moose.)
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| Forgot to say that I get 2370 out of my 20"bbl Blr with 53 grns of 748 and .250 speer bullet. I like the .225's with 54 grns for 2513 and the 200 grns with 47 grns of imr3031 for around 2620 all coronograpohed not guessed. The very best powder of all was AA2015br for my .358's, high vel and one hole accuracy but I only have 1/2 lb left The 748 loads came from the new Barnes manual. I agree the BLR is very accurate one hole groups with anything you put in it. But, recently a Ruger 77 with as shilen bbl also did the same for me. |
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| well, i say the best kept rifle chambering secret in the woods is the 8x57 mauser (the .323 version, of course) loaded to european pressures. |
| | | Posts: 298 | Location: birmingham, alabama | Registered: 28 January 2003 |
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| I've ordered one of the 1999 Montana short actions for the basis of a light .358 sporter. From reading this topic, I see that a 1 in 12" twist seems to be the way to go. I was thinking of a 22-inch barrel. |
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| I hunt with a BLR in .358 with a Brockman ghost ring rear and patridge front. Nothing I have ever shot shoulders quicker or carries as well. I had a Ruger 77 carbine(.358) With a Leopold compact 2-7 and made the mistake of letting my brother use it 3 years ago. Haven't seen it since. |
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| Okay, mine's not a .358 Winchester, but its similar so it should be fair to mention it here. Its a Savage 99F rebarreled to .35/.284. Douglas 22" barrel; metal powdercoated; MPI fiberglas featherweight stock; Decellerator pad; Leupold 2.5x Compact; shooting 250 Speers at 2460 fps; weight is 7.5#. Its new so no game shot yet. Hopefully this fall that will be corrected.
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| | | Posts: 575 | Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Registered: 12 July 2002 |
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| i have 2. an early blr and a warmed over 700 classic in 350 mag. i cant imagine a better all around cartridge than either of these. you can shoot as far as you can see and it flat stomps deer. a 225 nosler or horn sp in 200 or 250 is bad medicine. i would love to see the model 7 in a ss 358 22" tube and a titanium 700 in a 350 mag. the world would be a better place ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) woofer |
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| OK, everyone is waxing lyrical about the 358... granted, it's a nice little cartridge but it's honestly not more than a 308 Win and in some situation's is a whole lot less. I had a Ruger M77 with a 19" bbl. in 358... neat little rifle and very accurate, but for game that a 35 is appropriate for (elk!) I'd sooner have a 35 Whelen or, better yet, a 338 WM (or 358 Norma). The 358 lacks the flat trajectory of the 165's in a 308 (its parent) and the ability to handle heavy bullets (which is THE point of the 35's) at speeds which give reliable expansion at ranges over 200 yards. All this adds up to a cartrige which is very limited in scope compared to many rounds. Sorry to rain on the parade, but them's the facts... sentimentality aside. If you like the round, so be it... let's just not kid ourselves TOO mcuh! |
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The 308 180 grain is less than 2 inches flatter than the 358 250 grain (compareable S.D.) at 300 yards.
Using a 200 grain in the 308 only makes it look sad.
I too was tempted to slag the 358 on this post until I remembered that most real world hunting takes place well inside 300 yards.
No, it's not a geat plains game round, but neither is the 308 in my opinion.
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OK, everyone is waxing lyrical about the 358... granted, it's a nice little cartridge but it's honestly not more than a 308 Win and in some situation's is a whole lot less. I had a Ruger M77 with a 19" bbl. in 358... neat little rifle and very accurate, but for game that a 35 is appropriate for (elk!) I'd sooner have a 35 Whelen or, better yet, a 338 WM (or 358 Norma). The 358 lacks the flat trajectory of the 165's in a 308 (its parent) and the ability to handle heavy bullets (which is THE point of the 35's) at speeds which give reliable expansion at ranges over 200 yards. All this adds up to a cartrige which is very limited in scope compared to many rounds. Sorry to rain on the parade, but them's the facts... sentimentality aside. If you like the round, so be it... let's just not kid ourselves TOO mcuh!
HOW HEAVY A bullet do you want?????
I have NEVER recovered a Speer 250gr from anything I have killed with the .358, and that included a deer shot through the full length after taking out the rear leg bone. How much more weight and bullet is needed with that kind of performance.
Granted there are much faster 35s out there but I WILL have to take exception to your statement of "it's honestly not more than a 308 Win and in some situation's is a whole lot less." UH UH, don't EVEN try to go there.
The round will take ANY game in North America out to 200yds that includes the biggest bears AND moose and will easily take the rest out to 300. So, how much more weight do you want? |
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| Any comments on the new Remington Model 673 in the 350 Remington Magnum. Any user comments on this gun or this cartridge? How about the quality of this rifle? I heard chuck hawks say that the sighting plane was screwed to the barrel - what about that? |
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OK, everyone is waxing lyrical about the 358... granted, it's a nice little cartridge but it's honestly not more than a 308 Win and in some situation's is a whole lot less. I had a Ruger M77 with a 19" bbl. in 358... neat little rifle and very accurate, but for game that a 35 is appropriate for (elk!) I'd sooner have a 35 Whelen or, better yet, a 338 WM (or 358 Norma). The 358 lacks the flat trajectory of the 165's in a 308 (its parent) and the ability to handle heavy bullets (which is THE point of the 35's) at speeds which give reliable expansion at ranges over 200 yards. All this adds up to a cartrige which is very limited in scope compared to many rounds. Sorry to rain on the parade, but them's the facts... sentimentality aside. If you like the round, so be it... let's just not kid ourselves TOO mcuh!
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I find that a curious post. A .308 will push a 180 gr bullet 2500-2600 fps, and a 220 gr 2100-2200 fps. A 358 will push a 225 gr 2500 fps.
To my thinking, a 225 gr @ 2500 fps makes the 358 win an honest 250 yd round, and much more potent then the pea shooters, ie 30 cal and under. While I'm a fan of the .308, I'd take a 358 over it anyday. |
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[QUOTE]I find that a curious post. A .308 will push a 180 gr bullet 2500-2600 fps, and a 220 gr 2100-2200 fps. A 358 will push a 225 gr 2500 fps.
To my thinking, a 225 gr @ 2500 fps makes the 358 win an honest 250 yd round, and much more potent then the pea shooters, ie 30 cal and under. While I'm a fan of the .308, I'd take a 358 over it anyday.
Paul, my last 19" bbl'd 308 would do 2,600 fps with 180's and 2,750 fps with 165's... most 22" bbl'd 308's will go 2,650 fps with 180's. A good 165 X or Failsafe at 2,750 turns the 308 into a flatter round and its added velocity makes it an honest 450 yard cartridge on game where the bullets will still open up. To my way of thinking if I'm goint to throw a big chunk of lead I'd like it to be able to go out to 450 yards... here in Montana you can whack elk at arms length or way out there. With the 358's aenemic velocity and rainbow trajectory the problem of the bullet opening up becomes a problem. For myself I like as few limitation's as possible which is why I'd take a 22" bbl'd 338 WM or 35 Whelen over the 358 any day of the week. |
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| LAWCOP, SHAME ON YOU for starting such a wonderful topic. You said that you had a Grendel in 358 that was a keeper. ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif) I'm in the process of getting a Grendel in 308 to replace the one someone stole years ago. I did find an extra stock which I bought right away to build in 358 win. The 358 is more than a woods gun it just caught a bad rap because the 243 came out at the same time. I'm waiting for some bullets from GS Custom and NorthFork Custom to use in the 358. With the right bullet it can do almost the samething as a 308. I did say almost I know that the 308 can reach out to 1000 yards but would only try the 358 out to say 500-800 just to see what it will do. A 22" barrel seems to be the best choice. If I can find it I'll post the info I had for using a 300gr bullet. Again I say thank you for this topic. Wish you still had the 358 Grendel, it was the one caliber least made ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif) Well we live and learn. |
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By that criteria, yes the .308 is a much better choice, and by that criteria, the 140 gr X @ 3000 fps might be an even better choice.
I just don't personally see a need for 400+ yd rounds, and think the 358 is an outstanding round when used within it's limits. If you don't care for it's limits, then by all means, it isn't the round for you. |
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| ElkSlayer I'ld go with a Pac-Nor SS-SM 22" barrel 6 groove so that you can get a 1-10 twist.
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LAWCOP, SHAME ON YOU for starting such a wonderful topic. You said that you had a Grendel in 358 that was a keeper.
I'm in the process of getting a Grendel in 308 to replace the one someone stole years ago. I did find an extra stock which I bought right away to build in 358 win.
The 358 is more than a woods gun it just caught a bad rap because the 243 came out at the same time. I'm waiting for some bullets from GS Custom and NorthFork Custom to use in the 358.
With the right bullet it can do almost the samething as a 308. I did say almost I know that the 308 can reach out to 1000 yards but would only try the 358 out to say 500-800 just to see what it will do.
A 22" barrel seems to be the best choice. If I can find it I'll post the info I had for using a 300gr bullet.
Again I say thank you for this topic. Wish you still had the 358 Grendel, it was the one caliber least made Well we live and learn.
RE -THE GRENDEL, ya gotta understand...I had been laid off and paying for law school at the same time. I originally bought the .358 Grendel in the hard case for $295.00 when you couldn't buy a Sako action alone for that cheap.
A collector offered me $1000 for it when he found out I had it.
He wanted it more then I needed it.
Also I hunt/work with my guns and I always thought the stocks were just too fragile for serious woods tromping. BUt they really would shoot and they sure were pretty. |
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| Thats a shame you had to do it. BTDT, when you paid $295 you stole it then. I paid $400 for mine in 1987. The last couple of ones I found 1) missing parts in 308 $600, 2) in 308 $2500 and the 3) the one I'm getting $600 again in 308.
So with the extra stock I'm going to use a Pac-Nor 22" 6 groove 1-10 twist barrel. Picking up an old Sako for the action and I'll have me my 358 win that way.
Have you tried RS TAC, with a 200 gr pill start about 44grs and work up. I'm also going to try some of the new N550 and N560 to see what it will do. Hopefully it'll do at least 2300-2700 fps with bullets ranging from 200-270grs. |
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