I’m looking for a lead bullet for my 30.06 as we are not allowed in some places in Germany to use Barnes and other monocore bullets, will be used on roe deer to red deer

I was actually thinking of the Accubond or Speer Hot-Cor in 200 grain but a friend suggested the 190 grain Interlock and I’m now also looking at Sierra Game king 200 grain.

What is your experience with different near 200 grain lead bullets (other than mentioned are also welcome) on the real game, I would like to know about penetration, meat damage and core separation

They are all good. The 30-06 velocities with 200 gr bullets are low enough that they don't stress cup and core bullets. Bonded are extra insurance as are Partitions, I guess. Woodleigh makes very good heavy 30 caliber bullets too. I shoot 200 gr Lapua Megas in mine with success. Come to think of it, I guess I can't think of a bad 200-220 grain bullet for your application.

Meat damage and core separation will more likely be a function of impact velocity as opposed to brand of bullet. Keep them around 2400 fps or lower at the muzzle and you should be able to eat right to the hole.

I would vote the NP and be done with it.

I think the Hot-Core has been replaced with the Deep Curl bullet. They list a 180 gr and a 225 grain .308 bullet. It has an electro plated jacket like Rainier pistol bullets which makes it a very affordable bonded bullet. I haven't tried any yet but what I hear so far is good.

Try the Gameking

I'd go with the 200gr Accubond. Worked very well for me on a Black bear outa 30-06AI.

Very accurate in that 06AI and my 300RUM.

A .30-06 won't push a 200 grain bullet all that fast, so some "tough" bullets might not expand as fully as you might like, particularly if the game is only light to medium game.

The Nosler Partition has a rather frangible and "quickly expanding" front section which makes it effective even at low velocities on light game. Of course, it also has the famous partition which provides deep penetration following the initial expansion. These features adapt it well to a wide range of hunting situations.

Although any bullet can fail to perform as designed, failures with the Partition are very infrequent.

By the way, what is your intended quarry?

59 grs of MRP behind the 200 Nosler partition give me 2700fps in my 30-06 and it has worked for me on virtually every big game animal in Alaska. it is my "go-to" bullet for the 30-06 for everything.

I have used Nosler Partitions for about 51 years (both 180 grain, and as they became available, 200 grains). I recently laid in a supply of 200 grainers sufficient for the rest of my life. So guess what I'd vote for?

Yeh! And if they still had the older "brassier" jacketed 200 grain Partition bullets with the RN and the machined belt on the outside, I'd like those even better.

Gotta love those Noslers...inexpensive enough for affordable shooting practice and hunting, and effective enough for danged near anything you'd wanna shoot with an '06.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
By the way, what is your intended quarry?

Sorry forgot that part, in Germany that will be from roe deer to red deer

Do you happen to know why they won't allow solid copper bullets?

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Originally posted by miles58:
Do you happen to know why they won't allow solid copper bullets?

They state ricochets of a mono core bullets are more dangerous as they will keep their full weight and go far, to me bullets like Nosler partition, Swift A-Frame, Speer TBBC and Rhino will ricochet with around ½ of their weight and will also be dangerous

My 30-06 and most every 30-06 I have reloaded for all like the 200 gr Accubond.

This load was not max for my rifle but if you use it start lower and work up like I did



Loaned it to a friend to hunt Elk last fall and he shot a nice Elk at a little over 100 yd. The bullet wound up shank out on the far side

The Accubond is a good choice.

Personally, I've had better accuracy and performance with the

Swift Scirocco II both the .308 180's and 210's
in both 06 and 300RUM.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
By the way, what is your intended quarry?

Sorry forgot that part, in Germany that will be from roe deer to red deer

For roe, it hardly matters. For reds, which are typically about 2/3 the size of the American Wapiti, or maybe 200-250 kg live weight for a mature stag, any of the Noslers or any conventional cup-and-core bullet will be fully adequate. Simply use the bullet which shoots the most accurately in your gun.

While a 200 grain bullet will certainly work fine, if red deer are the largest species on your list, I would find the 180 grain bullet with its flatter trajectory to be preferable. Most American hunters shooting a .30-06 at 350-400 kg Wapiti use 180 grain bullets and find them fully adequate.

This 400 kg Wapiti was taken with a 180 grain Nosler Partition from a .30-06 with a single shot:

The Speer 200 is fully adequate. Why shoot a premium bullet for what in NA would be considered small- to medium-sized game animals? Lots of shooters who should know better are saying that the Speer HotCore bullets are no longer available, but the truth is that only a few of the currently available Speer bullets are DeepCurls. The Speer 200 HotCore is soft enough to open up a bit on roe yet hold together well for deep penetration on reds.


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Are the Privi Partizan GROM bullets in 30 calibre also banned in Germany? I read very good reports of them on all sizes of European game...although they are not 200 grains weight.

I just bought 4 boxes of the 200 gr. Speer Hot Cores and a box of 200 gr. Speer Grand Slams at Sportsman's Warehouse so I know they're available. I usually use them in my .300 Win. mag. and they work jusr fine and have been accurate in that rifle. The only reason I got the Grand Slams was they were mixed in with the Hot Cores and I never bothered to exchange them.I haven't used them on a 30-06 yet but I'm thinking about it
Paul b.

I've come to really like the 200 grain Norma Oryx. It's a bonded bullet, probably a little tougher than the Accubond. I've found it to be very accurate in my 30 cal rifles.

NorthFork!

Phil,

Thats an impressive velocity in your 30-06! Any idea what is the fastest velocity you can push the 175gr in 7mm Rem Mag?

How much do you use the 8mm Rem Magnum in Alaska? (you wrote the intro on this cartridge in the Nosler Reloading manual correct?)

Nice intro by the way.

Regards,

Michael.

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but a friend suggested the 190 grain Interlock

Woodleigh Bullets make a 200gr .308 cal PP bullet especcialy made for the 300 Win mag(marked on the box).
That's the bullet I use in my 30-06 for moose.
Retention about 75-85% from a couple of big moose bulls at approx 100 meters.
Good precision, easy to reload. Could you ask for more?

M

I am of the same mindset as Stonecreek.
Use a 180 grain bullet in your 30/06 unless you are after Griz then go up to a 200.
I have used a 30/06 and 180 grain bullets very succesfully on Elk for many years. My bullet of choice has been a Sierra Game King and I've never recovered one from an Elk from 60 yards to 425 yards I get exits. I can't say the same for Speer's and Accubonds they didn't exit and didn't perform up to the hype so I will continue to use Sierra's.
Just my opinion but I've shot a lot of game with that bullet and never had a reason to change. Deer, Elk, Antelope, Bighorn Sheep, Mountain Goat, Coyotes, Marmots, Hogs all very dead from a 180 grain bullet.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
59 grs of MRP behind the 200 Nosler partition give me 2700fps in my 30-06 and it has worked for me on virtually every big game animal in Alaska. it is my "go-to" bullet for the 30-06 for everything.

Phil I've gone the same way with my 270, I shoot 150g Nosler Partitions at 3000 fps for all lower 48 big game. I'll be the first to admit that it won't do what a 200g Partition at 2700 fps from a 30-06 will do though.

I used the 200gr Sierra Game Kings in my 30-06. I was getting 2650 fps from a 24" barrel using IMR4350, and I found this bullet to be very accurate. Shot one cow elk with this load at 200 yards. The bullet was recovered from under the offside skin and was a picture perfect mushroom. I was satisfied with the bullet's performance.

Just get a Lyman 311284 220gr GC bullet mold. You can push it a 2300fps out of a 30-06 and will kill any animal on the continent of Europe. A lot cheaper than buying either monos or cup&cores if you are looking at heavy 30-06 loads.

Barstooler

Nosler is a good first choice either Partition or Accu-bond. I would lean towards the Partition because it would yield a bit more velocity due to its shorter OAL.

Thanks for all nice reports with different bullets, got my hands on a box of Hornady 190 grain at a good price