I just got a Remington XCR II in 300 RUM with a 26 inch barrel and was wondering what would happen if I have a gunsmith cut 2 inches off of the barel? all of my other rifles have 24 inch or 22 inch barells.just dont like the extra 2 inches

Just one guy's opinion.....

You'll hurt resale badly doing this.....if this isn't important to you then do it....IMO it's a good trade

You might lose 50-75 FPS.....big deal.....you got lots of them and handling trumps velocity all the time IMO!

Why have a RUM, if this configueration dosen't do the job for you? IMO, with a cartridge like this, I want all the barrel length I can get to make those shots, with which the Remington Platform you have was designed for.

I have a similar rifle in the 270 Winchester Sendero, 26" very heavy etc, I don't carry it around like a sporter. I sit somewhere, where I can make that long shot etc. That's how I view the 26" platform.

Regards

Jerry

Plus that extra 2" helps keep the noise just a bit farther from your ears. However, it is your rifle and you should do what you want to do. If you decide you don't like it shorter, you can always have another barrel put on it.

Best of luck to you.

Tom,

I agree wholeheartely with Jerry.

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with a cartridge like this, I want all the barrel length I can get to make those shots, with which the Remington Platform you have was designed for.

I have every compassion for other's desires; as I've a few quirks of my own.

Some of them are just based on; Well, that's the way I want it ..... too!



From my way of thinking you ought to be asking about ADDING 2" of barrel as opposed to subtracting 2"!

What the heck; if you desire a 24" 300 RUM Go for It!

My Buddys got a Ultra-Light Weight (Custom Featherweight on a Remington 700 action) 300 RUM with a 28" tube and we both agree that the muzzle's located just about where it should be.

I would consider losing a hundred feet a second about the minimum...

Rich

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Just one guy's opinion.....

You'll hurt resale badly doing this.....if this isn't important to you then do it....IMO it's a good trade

You might lose 50-75 FPS.....big deal.....you got lots of them and handling trumps velocity all the time IMO!

The more overbore the round is, the more vel you will lose by shortening the bbl. I would expect almost a 100fps loss for 2". Does that matter? IF so, sell it & get a 24" bbl 300winmag.

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The more overbore the round is, the more vel you will lose by shortening the bbl. I would expect almost a 100fps loss for 2".

+1

Big overbore rifle need lots of barrel to take advantage of all that powder. 26-30" barrels is where they shine.

I'm glad my father got me both a 94 30-30 carbine and a 1917 Enfield for my 14th Christmas. Barrel length has never been a issue for me. I wouldn't cut the barrel on the Enfield nor would I make the '94 barrel longer. Although, an 24 or 26inch '94 would be nice.

Back in the '50s and '60s, all the bird hunters claimed a 26inch barrel shotgun was "just right" for handling in the thick brush. So why isn't a 26in. barrel rifle?

Also, as the barrel lenght gets shorter, the velocity drops and the muzzle blast increases.

Joe A.

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Originally posted by fredj338:
The more overbore the round is, the more vel you will lose by shortening the bbl. I would expect almost a 100fps loss for 2". Does that matter? IF so, sell it & get a 24" bbl 300winmag .

And most of them come standard with a 26" barrel.....

IMO the only practical use for a .300 Rum is for the guy that wants .300 Win Mag performance from a 22" barrel.

Vapo: While you have much experience and wisdom, wouldn"t this guy be better off with something else?

Jerry

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Vapo: While you have much experience and wisdom, wouldn"t this guy be better off with something else?

Jerry

Since you asked.....

Frankly I see little use for the .300 RUM....overwhelmingly, folks can't shoot it well as it's intimidating in noise and recoil.... and the distance gained is frankly small.....yes it has better velocity....but again, overwhelmingly, folks can't shoot good enough to make use of the extra.....

I've posted many times that if one can't do it with a .30-06 then he needs to move up in caliber.....not velocity.

We have all sorts of examples of diminishing returns.....and the firearms industry has a long host of them.....

Example.....I use my .257 Roberts and sold the .
257 Weatherby....why?.....the Roberts has a 22" barrel, handles nicely, has little recoil and comparatively little noise and kills deer and pronghorns as far as I can shoot.....the Weatherby is more but I just couldn't use the more.....

Arms companies have bought us new cartridges hoping for sales of new guns.....and have sold some but IMO the RUMs are sold more on EGO than usable performance

The critical factor isn't the cartridge....it's the shooter and most shooters are not even remotely able to shoot the RUMs well.....

Overwhelmingly, shooters would be far better off with a well loaded .30-06 and a lot of trigger time such that they could actually place a shot well at 400 yards....or even 500 yards.....the old '06 has the muscle....if you can place it and it's a lot easier to do it with a .30-06 than a gun that scares you! And even if it doesn't scare you....you actually aren't much better off with the extra power.....you already have enough!

I have a similar Remington .300 RUM. It is very accurate, although I had some custom work done on it. Would not chop the barrel. I have three rifles with 26" barrels and have hunted a couple in Africa, Canada, Texas, etc. Good stand rifle and good for PG in Limpopo.

It's just a matter of personal preference.

I have a custom .458 win with a 20" tube. Great for the thick stuff.

Personally, I would leave it alone. Remington makes it that way for a reason.

I had 2" cut off the barrel of my Model 70. Accuracy improved greatly and any loss of velocity is not noticed. I would do it again should the need arise.

I recently had my hands on a Remington Custom Shop AWR in 338 RUM and I thought it handled beautifully with its 26" barrel. I wouldn't change a thing.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Frankly I see little use for the .300 RUM....overwhelmingly, folks can't shoot it well as it's intimidating in noise and recoil.... and the distance gained is frankly small.....yes it has better velocity....but again, overwhelmingly, folks can't shoot good enough to make use of the extra..... ...

Hey Vapo, I've seen just the exact opposite. I'd guess I shot and witnessed people shooting over 2-dozen 300RUMs at the range. The first time I realized they even existed was right there when a guy shot a group under 1" using one with Remington factory ammo.

What initially caught my attention was the Muzzle Brake. I was 4-5 benches to his left and could "hear it" quite well. He was telling his buddy that it shot with as much Recoil as his 243Win! Yeah Right! Didn't believe that at all, and then his buddy was AGREEING with him. Figured they were trying to sucker the old guy(me) into shooting it. They did make the offer and not being a Recoil whimp, I thought I'd give it a go.

It did Recoil a bit more than "my" 243Win, but was about like my 7mm-08, basically very controllable low Recoil. And it did indeed shoot great. Just as all the other ones I shot and saw shot.
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Funny how people get totally different impressions about things. That does not mean I doubt Vapo saw just what he said. And the 338RUMS are just as accurate.

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Hey Vapo, I've seen just the exact opposite. I'd guess I shot and witnessed people shooting over 2-dozen 300RUMs at the range. The first time I realized they even existed was right there when a guy shot a group under 1" using one with Remington factory ammo.

Not to say that folks can't shoot it from a sandbagged bench.....my point is that the distance gained is so far out there that under field conditions very few folks can shoot well enough to actually make us of the additional range....

Bear in mind that the only advantage of the RUMs is distance or range.....not the additional energy levels.....

Of course you should do whatever you want, but I think if you'd be better off trading in your 300 RUM and getting a 24" 30-06 instead. If you aren't going to take advantage of the 300 RUM with a longer barrel, you might as well shoot a more moderate cartridge. Burning 100 grains of powder in a 24" barrel with a high velocity round doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally posted by duckboat:
Of course you should do whatever you want, but I think if you'd be better off trading in your 300 RUM and getting a 24" 30-06 instead. If you aren't going to take advantage of the 300 RUM with a longer barrel, you might as well shoot a more moderate cartridge. Burning 100 grains of powder in a 24" barrel with a high velocity round doesn't make sense to me.

Got to agree with duckboat. If I had a 300 RUM I'd prefer another 2 or even 4" of barrel to get the most out of that cartridge. I've hunted in about as dense of jungle as one can find and not been overly concerned about barrel length on such a rifle simply because I wouldn't take a rifle like that into such dense jungle/forrest. If your hunting up close the .300 RUM isn't the cartridge for it. I do quite well with a 24" barreled '06. Shot my last elk at 25 yards and the only before it at 478 yards. Both with 1 shot each.

I got on the short barrel band wagon a few years back and I was quicker getting off the wagon than I was getting on. Using a longer barrel in thick stuff is just as easy as with a short barrel, just a matter of correct weapons craft is all.


Larry Gibson

In youngr days Fred Barnes and I built a 6mm x.270 IMP. with a 30" Douglas supreme barrel. Great rifle with his 110 and 115 gr. bullets. It had a couple real draw backs. handleing in brush WAS a pain. The worst ,however was pulling it from a saddle scabard. When the barrel was finally choped to 26" it became what we considered manageable.
IMHO the 30 RUM fits the bill in long range competition and or course as a sniper rifle. Maybe with appropriate bullets steady rest long bean field hunting, but even here quick kill shot placement would be difficult. roger

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Originally posted by Tom S:
I just got a Remington XCR II in 300 RUM with a 26 inch barrel and was wondering what would happen if I have a gunsmith cut 2 inches off of the barel? all of my other rifles have 24 inch or 22 inch barells.just dont like the extra 2 inches

I owned a 300 WM years ago, did a lot of loading and shooting for it. In fact, I had 2, a Ruger and then a Browning. Now I own a 300 RUM. Some calibers do better with a balanced rifle. My Shilen barrel is 28" long. It's a #4 contour and I would not take less barrel for that caliber because I want to get as much juice out of it as I can and still carry the rifle in the hills.

You already lose some velocity by having a 26" barrel, and if you reduce it to 24" then I would say, what's the point in having the RUM to begin with. This caliber shines best IMO when shooting a canon.

As mentioned above, if you want an easier handling rifle, trade the RUM for a regular 300 or think about a 300WSM with a 24" bbl.

My first couple of loads with my 300 RUM were cooking. 180 Swift Sciroccos with a stout load of Re25, H1000, and Retumbo. I used all 3 and they all did very well.

My opinion: the RUM is pointless w/o a long bbl

Has anyone thats posted on this thread naysaying actually shot/owned a 24" 300 RUM?
I have and the velocity loss was under 100fps and it didnt become any louder either.
The fact is torching off 100gr of powder generates some muzzle blast and 2" of barrel isnt going to greatly alter this.

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:
Has anyone thats posted on this thread naysaying actually shot/owned a 24" 300 RUM?

No, bc I think it is pointless. If I wanted a 24" bbl on a 300 it would be a WSM or the WM. I prefer the extra 4" of bore. When I had that Shilen installed, I asked about different bbl lengths. They told me not to go with shorter than 26" and highly recommended 28".

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:
Has anyone thats posted on this thread naysaying actually shot/owned a 24" 300 RUM?
I have and the velocity loss was under 100fps and it didnt become any louder either.
The fact is torching off 100gr of powder generates some muzzle blast and 2" of barrel isnt going to greatly alter this.

Well said....totally believable.....If one does the math he sees that the amount of time the bullet spends in the last two inches of barrel is so little that velocity loss is also small....

In order for real gains to be made means adds and deletions of a lot more than two inches.

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In order for real gains to be made means adds and deletions of a lot more than two inches.

Ah, well I uh...mmmm....

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Originally posted by Doc:

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:
Has anyone thats posted on this thread naysaying actually shot/owned a 24" 300 RUM?

No, bc I think it is pointless. If I wanted a 24" bbl on a 300 it would be a WSM or the WM. I prefer the extra 4" of bore. When I had that Shilen installed, I asked about different bbl lengths. They told me not to go with shorter than 26" and highly recommended 28".

With all due respect the original poster didnt ask for oppinion, but fact. You have no experience with the question at hand, so why respond?
And a 300 rum with a 24" barrel will get 32-3250fps with a 180 gr bullet. Mine does this with both handloads below max and with Remmy factroy ammo. This is about 250fps faster than my 300 win mags with factory ammo. This is a far cry from a 30-06 as one of the peanut gallery commented.

Inasmuch as the 300 RUM is vastly over bore capacity I suspect it really needs at least a 26 inch barrel otherwise I'd shoot a 300 win. or a 300 H&H which I do...I even have a 26 inch barrel on my 300 H&H..If I want a short tube (22") I grab the 30-06.

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:

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Originally posted by Doc:

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:
Has anyone thats posted on this thread naysaying actually shot/owned a 24" 300 RUM?

No, bc I think it is pointless. If I wanted a 24" bbl on a 300 it would be a WSM or the WM. I prefer the extra 4" of bore. When I had that Shilen installed, I asked about different bbl lengths. They told me not to go with shorter than 26" and highly recommended 28".

With all due respect the original poster didnt ask for oppinion, but fact. You have no experience with the question at hand, so why respond?
And a 300 rum with a 24" barrel will get 32-3250fps with a 180 gr bullet. Mine does this with both handloads below max and with Remmy factroy ammo. This is about 250fps faster than my 300 win mags with factory ammo. This is a far cry from a 30-06 as one of the peanut gallery commented.

For my own edification , Ben, for what purpose did you buy a .300 RUM? Was it game related , range , novelty or what? I imagin it had to serve some purpose. roger

Ben:

No disrespect intended, but I am getting over 3150fps, with a 180 out of the 300 Win Mag. I still don't see the point of a shorter barrel Rum. BTW, I happen to think the 300 RUM is a real Wiz Bang fantastic cartridge, as I mentioned earlier.

Jerry

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Ben:

No disrespect intended, but I am getting over 3150fps, with a 180 out of the 300 Win Mag. I still don't see the point of a shorter barrel Rum. BTW, I happen to think the 300 RUM is a real Wiz Bang fantastic cartridge, as I mentioned earlier.

I have loaded my win mags to that velocity, but its pushing things in my experience. I could also push my RUM more than the velocity I mentioned. Factory 180gr 300 win mag ammo is a hair under 3000 IME
The point of a 24" barreled 300 rum is a 180 gr bullet at 3200+fps in a trim package. I also prefer ma 24 on my 300 win mag barrels as well.

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For my own edification , Ben, for what purpose did you buy a .300 RUM? Was it game related , range , novelty or what? I imagin it had to serve some purpose. roger[/QUOTE]
The original purpose I bought a 300 rum for was to kill critters with.... It worked out well.
I originally built a 7mm rum when they first came out and fooled around with it a bit, then I ran into a good deal on a Model 70 300 RUM. I liked the gun and the round was really user friendly from a handloading standpoint so I stayed with it and eventually got rid of the 338 and 300 win mag I had. Havent regretted this one bit.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Inasmuch as the 300 RUM is vastly over bore capacity I suspect it really needs at least a 26 inch barrel otherwise I'd shoot a 300 win. or a 300 H&H which I do...I even have a 26 inch barrel on my 300 H&H..If I want a short tube (22") I grab the 30-06.

So once again your stabbing in the dark as you have never had one or shot one.....

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Originally posted by fredj338:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Just one guy's opinion.....

You'll hurt resale badly doing this.....if this isn't important to you then do it....IMO it's a good trade

You might lose 50-75 FPS.....big deal.....you got lots of them and handling trumps velocity all the time IMO!

The more overbore the round is, the more vel you will lose by shortening the bbl. I would expect almost a 100fps loss for 2". Does that matter? IF so, sell it & get a 24" bbl 300winmag.

+1 Just go 300WM......

You don't buy a Ferrari to put 85 octane pump gas in. If you don't like the 26" barrel, sell it and get something that is better suited to a 24" platform like the 300 Win Mag

Guys,you are forgetting one of the benifits of the .300 RUM. Remington markets 3 levels of ammo for it. Level 1 is 30-06, Level 2 is .300 Mag, and level 3 is .300 ultra mag. I have tried them and they work as advertised. Just my .02 cents worth.

And not having to deal with belted cases.

A good length for a 300 RUM I would say 26".
witch is the length my 300 RUM barrel.

I like a longer barrel for the 300 RUM. Mine is 27.5" and if it were 28 or 29 that would be fine. The 300 RUM is probably not for "everybody" but for the people that are not recoil shy it really shines at longer ranges.

If you want a shorter barrel you might as well shoot another smaller capacity .30 with the slower velocity and save a bunch of powder.

God Bless, Louis

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:

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Originally posted by Doc:

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:
Has anyone thats posted on this thread naysaying actually shot/owned a 24" 300 RUM?

No, bc I think it is pointless. If I wanted a 24" bbl on a 300 it would be a WSM or the WM. I prefer the extra 4" of bore. When I had that Shilen installed, I asked about different bbl lengths. They told me not to go with shorter than 26" and highly recommended 28".

With all due respect the original poster didnt ask for oppinion, but fact. You have no experience with the question at hand, so why respond?
And a 300 rum with a 24" barrel will get 32-3250fps with a 180 gr bullet. Mine does this with both handloads below max and with Remmy factroy ammo. This is about 250fps faster than my 300 win mags with factory ammo. This is a far cry from a 30-06 as one of the peanut gallery commented.

Ok, fine. Here's fact: he'd be paying money to a gunsmith to shorten a good barrel, recrown it, just to lose velocity. And the benefit is???? ...a tad lighter rifle. Here's more fact: he could save his money, and get used to having 2 more inches to carry around. Or, he could pay the money to shorten his barrel by 2" so it will be to his satisfaction like his other rifles.

Also, I replied to the thread because I felt like it.

Finally, I didn't see where the OP wrote: "I only want responses from people who actually own or shoot a 300 RUM with a 24" barrel."

Is that better?