It is very difficult for me to know that a rifle is dirty after a weekend of hunting or a day of shooting, and make it practice to clean immediately when I get home.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
We used to shoot crows all day from my friend's father's porch with my 270 out to 300 yards. We'd run a brush and few patches through every 50 rounds. If you can hit a crow center mass at 300 yards, it's still shooting Ok

It is impossible to go 50rds with that kind of accuracy without the use of molly bullets and JB compound to remove all the copper from the bore.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It says on Pac nor`s website ``loss of accuracy can be linked to a dirt or fouled barrel 98% of the time`` IMO,loss of accuracy can happen from one or two groups to the next!

My money is on a dirt.

You will have a lot of good memories & much meat in the freezer before needing Anew barrel on your .270wsm.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by chuck375:
We used to shoot crows all day from my friend's father's porch with my 270 out to 300 yards. We'd run a brush and few patches through every 50 rounds. If you can hit a crow center mass at 300 yards, it's still shooting Ok

It is impossible to go 50rds with that kind of accuracy without the use of molly bullets and JB compound to remove all the copper from the bore.

Unfortunately neither my rifle nor the crows knew this ...

I'm with Phurley & Don Nelson. Haven't burned the barrel of my Extreme Weather, .270 WSM out yet. How in the world can you burn out a barrel with a round producing about 3100 fps unless you're a barrel burner or neglect it? Got a "second rate" barrel? Finally, I don't believe for a second the WSM chamberings are on the way out.
Buglemeintoday:
If it looks like it's in good shape, I think I'd pick it up. I'm no expert on firearms prices tho since I'm not in the Lower-48.
Good Luck.
Bear in Fairbanks

Look how eroded one 308 barrel is compared to the other.Notice the small dot or mark on the pencil.
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See what hot gases do? Who are you trying to fool?
Shootaway? Ha!
If this was a 270WSM and shot the same number of rounds under the same heat, the pen would fall through!

I doubt there is that much wear difference between the muzzle of my Rem 700 and my M1Garand. Sure you don't have a .308 and .338 Federal there?
Actually who knows because that is just a pen you are pushing in there and not a bore gauge!!

OK so I bit and opened up my safe. Right out front I have a Remington 760 one of the first 7000 made. A .308 I built and a Remington 700 all in 30-06. Using a bullet I stuck it in the bore of each and with a fine marker made a mark. It made ONE mark. So I figure Shootaway has to be right about these hot gas's so I dig out my .300Win Mag. Same mark, Mr. Shootaway! How can I have 4, .308 bore rifles with the same diameter muzzle opening with your reasoning! God only knows how many rounds had been thru the 760 in over 50 years and we know it was cleaned from the muzzle! And imagine the hot gas that has went through my .300 Mag as I know I have shot well over 1000 rounds thru it.

I had to get out my old M1Garand from Korea to get a different mark and it was roughly only a 1/16 inch from the first mark .004 as best as I can mic the actual diameter difference. This on a Rack Grade CMP rifle returned from Korea on the Lend Lease program. A rifle that will still shoot 2 inch groups at 100 yards with iron sights!

So me thinks you are full of smoke with your reasoning.

You all keep forgetting that Shootaway lives in an alternate universe-

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Originally posted by shootaway:
This cartridge is way overbore.You can see the rifling disappear with every firing.I bought one by mistake and thought it would be somewhat like a 270 win I once owned.IMO,these cartridges are for shooting things at long range were pinpoint scope accuracy is required.IMO,best to practice with a scoped 308 and keep one of the overbores with a new bore ready for a hunt.A 300WM is a smarter choice,IMO.You can take the game you mention at extended ranges easily with a well placed shot.The 270WSM I own is just sitting there no longer able to shoot a round accurately at 100yds with only a couple of boxes through it.If anyone needed a WSM it would have been invented 100yrs ago.A WSM is a round for people who have some money to burn,IMO-it is not an intelligent choice.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in some time and you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Bushchook:
Those magnums are awesome barrel chewers aren't they? Except the .300WM of course.
Factory loads too I'm guessing when you wore out those 2 x 7mm barrels in 100 rounds?
You should try a .220 Swift. I wore out 3 barrels in mine just sighting it in.

I didn`t say the 300 isn`t.It`s just a little easier.Why in the world would anyone buy a 220 swift? How can you make such a mistake three times?

No, this one is better still.
Message to Shootaway :- I was taking the piss when I wrote that I wore out 3 barrels sighting in my Swift.

Very nice rifle, i love the win model 70's , great looking wood stocks. Now i am thinking i need one of these as well.

Nice looking rifles but kind of redundant. You should probably ditch the H&H. If so I might know someone who'll want it. Congrats on the nice purchase!

Thanks for the compliments! I enjoy taking the H&H out of the safe for show and tell.

If I ever do let that one go I will post it on AR first. Hopefully I never get in such a financial bind that my rifles must be sold.

Happy Holidays everyone

Justin

I should also let Shootaway know that my Model 70 Super Shadow is now almost 9 years old, and I have abused it a lot shooting paper over the years. Even after all that abuse, it has taken a pair of very nice whitetail bucks in Montana the past two falls. And if I clean the barrel with WipeOut, and get the copper out, it is still capable of shooting well under an inch and a half at 100 yards from the bench. I am not even sure how many rounds has been down the barrel, probably over a thousand. And it does have a worn throat and has lost about 200 fps with my loads. Which sort of makes into a .270 Winchester, but still in a short action. My solution? Picked up a new Model 70 Ultimate Shadow from my local Wholesale Sports chambered for, you guessed it, .270WSM. My oldest son will probably use my old .270wsm for his long range deer gun next season, and fall back on his .338 Federal for the shorter ranges. I may put a new barrel on it next year. Or not, if it is still hunting accurate.

I'm gonna jump in on this discussion on "barrel burners" one last time.
shootaway:
As I previously mentioned, I too have & use a .270 WSM. In addition, I have a copy of Quickload. My load is a 150 Northfork and 68 gr. of Retumbo, giving me 3122 fps as measured on my chrono. If you will look at the pressure curve pruduced by QL, you'll see that Pmax occurs at approxomately 3" of bullet travel. After the initial 3", the curve drops significantly. The barrel on my rifle is the standard 24" for that model.
In short, there is no way excessive pressure can cause the muzzle erosion you claim in your rifle. With a barrel made from substandard materials? Then I dunno. But with a normal barrel made of quality materials? No way.
Bear in Fairbanks

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Originally posted by Bear in Fairbanks:
I'm gonna jump in on this discussion on "barrel burners" one last time.
shootaway:
As I previously mentioned, I too have & use a .270 WSM. In addition, I have a copy of Quickload. My load is a 150 Northfork and 68 gr. of Retumbo, giving me 3122 fps as measured on my chrono. If you will look at the pressure curve pruduced by QL, you'll see that Pmax occurs at approxomately 3" of bullet travel. After the initial 3", the curve drops significantly. The barrel on my rifle is the standard 24" for that model.
In short, there is no way excessive pressure can cause the muzzle erosion you claim in your rifle. With a barrel made from substandard materials? Then I dunno. But with a normal barrel made of quality materials? No way.
Bear in Fairbanks

The subject of muzzle erosion is one that is not clear to me and many others.There are professionals that say it is caused by cleaning-using a bronze brush with JB and pulling it back in through the muzzle.Others say that the only thing that can wear the muzzle are the hot gases and powder blasted back against it as they exit.Next time around I think I will stop using a brush and JB and see if the muzzle stays small.

You shouldn't pull your brush or patch in from the muzzle....

thing go out that end....not in

I had a 270WSM back in 2004 or 2005 in a Model 70 Coyote (not the light one they have now but the first one they came out with). It was very accurate but those first Coyote models were about like carrying around a log so I sold it. I should have bought a featherweight to begin with.
That H&H looks nice

What scope mounts/Rings do yall recommend? I'm looking on Midwayusa at the Scope Mounts and would prefer a two piece base over a 1 piece.

I'm thinking of putting my 6.5-20x40mm VXIII on this rifle, the scope has a 30mm tube instead of the 1".

Talley lightweights.

I have started to put Weavers extended Picatinny rail and six screw tactical rings on all my new rifles. Makes for easier scope swaps. The scope you mentions would be perfect in my book. I have the one inch tube model on my .300 Win. Mag. My .270WSM wears a Nikon Monarch 5-20 and is spot on when changing the dope for range.

Donald -- I was also looking at the Picatinny rails for this particular rifle. Almost all of my other rifles have 2 piece Leupold rings on them but I think a rail over the chamber may look okay on this rifle.

Mounted and boresighted my scope today, love the VX-III !! Utilized Warne Mounts/Rings.

Nice!

Dude, that's a killer setup! Now, let's see some groups!

Took my Win70 30-06 to the range this weekend . At 100 yds i was getting 1 inch MOA with 130gr handloads.

just love these guns.

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Originally posted by Buglemintoday:
What is te significance of the New Haven, Ct? This one says it on the barrel

The biggest difference between the NH and SC models is the trigger. When Winchester started producing the rifle in SC with the new MOA trigger wich is totally encsased like the Timney or M700 trigger. IMO the transition to the new MOA trigger was a mistake, there was nothing about the old M70 trigger that needed improving. It was simple, rugged, and reliable and while the new MOA trigger might be a good one I still prefer the old trigger.

Shot the rifle this afternoon. I'm glad I bought my boresighting kit as the rifle was only 2" off at 100yd.

3 shots printed neatly under an inch at 100, and I love the 6,5-20 leupold. The rifle has a fair amount of recoil. Seems like a sharper hit then my .3006 with 180's. I'm satisfied with the gun!

Good to hear Bugle, Mine seems less about the same recoil as my 30-06. Either way it is manageable and not unpleasant to shoot especially for the performance given.

Thanks Donald!

I'm attempting to pick a few Units to try to draw for in New Mexico and Texas.

Want to try for a public land mule deer!

Barnum was right for sure.

Have you measured the "24" barrel yet ?

It won't do a thing the plain old 270 cannot except cost a lot more for brass.

Have owned many 270 WCFs from cheepie marlins to Super Grade M 70s. They ALL would shoot sub MOA with a variety of loads.

Then I got into R-1s. The 308 and 30-06 would both hold 1 moa with several loads. Then I fell for an R-1 with 4X wood, the caliber happened to be 270 WSM. (Why put a short cartridge with a poor design for feeding in a long action semi-auto can only be answered by marketing MBAs).
It was a 3" grouper with any ammo except 150 Nosler Combined Tech, now Ballistic Silvertips, and a max load of W780, the powder designed for the the WSM. It would usually put three in 1".
Finally got bored with the finiky bitch and bought a mint used R-1 in the real 300 Winchester Magnum. Swapped the wood and sold the 270 WSM.
The 300 will put 5 150 TSXs with a max load of several powders in 1" or less. 3200 through the Chrony. Now my "go to" rifle for any lower 48 big game.
Very pretty too if you like Italian design and handles like the maker's fine shotguns, which is better than most bolt actions.