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Hello friends. I've seen little writing about the Blaser "straight pull" -rifles in the forum. The Germans are absolutly sure that this is the best rifle of all times!!! I know that I don't like it!! I don't know why, but I simply hate it! But, what do you guys think of it?? ------------------ Arild. | ||
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Well I own Two, like them both. Here in France, I believe taht in 2001, 90% of the rifles (sold by retrailers) that are worth 2000 euros were Blaser 93... I also like sako L series action and mauser a lot. The mechanism is smoother and feels better I think. But the R93 has too many advantages to pass. olivier | ||
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460wby, My very good friend Walter loves his. But, it is not for me. I will stick to the good old turn bolts. ------------------ www.accuratereloading.com | |||
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Without having ever handled one, I used to hate the Blaser R93 for its high tech looks. One day, I was asked to test one and write it up for a magazine. After I was done with my range and field testing, I ended up buying 2 R93's (.222 + heavy fluted bbl. and a .300 Win Mag). They shoot as well as highly tuned rifles but do it... out of the box. Since then I changed my thinking to : pretty is as pretty does ! And BTW, their accuracy, safety and flawless functioning made them beautiful to my eyes. ------------------ | |||
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By the way, I must be honest and mention an experience from a friend who owns a R93 in 338win. He went in Eastern Europe in 2000 and 2001 with itn after large Bucks. In both journeys, he had the same thing happen: frozen bolt. I mean, he loaded the rifle, put the safety on, hunts all day, came back in camp and wanted to unload the rifle: the action got frozen because of very low temperatures. Point is, he had obviously thoroughly cleaned and dried the rifle to avoid the problem he had experienced the year before... The problem disappeared after some exposure in a warm house, as well as after heating the rifle with a shot. As for me, this flaw is not so important as the 93 is the only rifle that can be carried with a round in the chamber and no risk of accidental discharge (no sear engaged), as the security system always worked, as the rifle never failed when the trigger was pressed. By the way, my friend owns other toys of course, but he still uses the R93 almost every time. olivier | ||
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I own four of them, hunted dangerous game with them and shot them in the worst conditions possible. They have always worked and are very accurate. No they will not replace the doubles or the magnum mausers in my collection but the concept is sound and as dependable as any other push feed gun. | |||
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Somebody has to say it: there was an accident some years back in Austria, with a factory loaded cartridge. It was with a plastic part Blaser. Now this part is made from Alu again. I don�t trust Aluminium to handle hot gases with high pressure. I don�t like guns with plastic parts in the trigger mechanism, which let go suddenly. I don�t like guns with Aluminium receivers. I trust no decocker, rather if ever!, I would trust a firing pin locking safety ( Mauser, Win 70, after testing! ). I believe Blaser barrels are good. From the totally ridiculous gun concepts they had earlier ( bolts which you had to recock at each cycling, combo guns with only one lock, so you could not fire both barrels - even on a double!!! ) you should deduct how this people are thinking. They are overpriced for the features outlined. Cheap, cast, Alu receivers, if you wish topped with the finest wood - at finest prices. I easily could afford a Blaser - I will not buy an elder Blaser nor a R 93. Now that the owner has solt Blaser, eventually a SHR with steel receiver or Sauer combo gun, if they make them with steel receivers. Methinks I don�t like them Hermann ------------------ | |||
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quote: I really, really hate that POS, which is named Blaser R93. High Tech look, cheap made, sold with great prices. ------------------ | ||
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It seems some gents here think that they have to choose between Blaser and others. Why the hell shoult it be like this ? Don't you own several rifles and several systems ? I own pump actions, single shots, a custom 416 based on a magnum mauser type action, as welll as a sako (L600 series). Who said one could not play with several toys ? | ||
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Unlike US gun magazines, Scandinavian ones will actually tell you what they think of a gun if they don't like it. The Blaser got practically butchered a year back. As far as I remember, they thought the trigger was horrible, the proprietary scope mounts were uselessly high, and the stock had a bad fit. Add to this the recent recall of ALL R93s due to a part of the trigger mechanism likely to rust and get stuck, and that you can (as far as I know) only use Blaser barrels on it. I have tried the rifle and agree on the assessment. On the other hand, the system does have a few things going for it: very fast action operation(but buy an automatic), easy switch-barrel system (but get a toolset for your bolt action), and the decocking safety. As to why they are popular here in Norway, that in my opinion only attests to their uselessness. Gun owners here will love anything that is German and looks expensive (not referring to the Offroad here, which they only seem to buy if they can't afford the poser Blasers they really want), and costs thrice that of a custom-built stainless synthetic 1/2 MOA rifle. | |||
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I should say first-off that my opinion is based on only handling the R93 once. First off, I commend anyone for innovative engineering and design, and the R93 certainly is that. At first, I was "under the spell" of the R93. Over time, though, the safety aspects of the design came to bother me. What happens in the event of a catastrophic failure? Either chambering the wrong cartridge, or a handloading error? When I look at the design, the outcome is not predictable. That, in my opinion, is a fatal flaw, that could be fatal (sorry couldn't help it). JMO, Dutch. | |||
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With Mauser 98 actions still available, I do not understand why anyone would buy an inferior product such as a Blaser, Savage, Weatherby, etc. | |||
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I have only looked and cycled one however I never liked straight pull rifles as I am not sure they have locked. I understand that in some Scandnavian countries they are limited to six guns but the extra Blazer barrels do not count. | |||
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I DON'T like'em!! But, I DO LIKE their single-shot!! | ||
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Yep, Savage, Sweden has a 6-gun limit, but no switchbarrel set counts towards the limit; you may as well have a bolt-action with several barrels--although its more hassle to change the barrel than on a Blaser. Here in Norway, thank God, there is no such limit, but you have to be able to document a specific need for each weapon. Meaning that if you are good enough at buying very specifically-suited weapons you can have quite a few more than six! | |||
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Gentlemen I guess most of you know my opinion about the R-93. It's good to see that there are some serious rifle fan's out there who doesn't like silly over engineered rifles ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} 500 grains, I have too agree about the lovely 98's. Saeed, Have you been customizing Waltherhogs rifle for the next safari. Don't for get the special doctored ammo soo that maximum accuracy can be obtained. This will be fun This has to be filmed for the next give away Cd's. / JOHAN | ||
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I really like the stock on the off road timber apart from the mould line that can be a bit prominent and the forend stud is in the wrong place. The takedown is a useful feature for me. Hate the safety, don't really like the trigger, barrel is too short, 3 round mag capacity is a joke and correct me if I'm wrong but with normal build the speed of the straight pull bolt is negated by the fact that it goes back far enough to mean that you have to partialy demount the rifle or take your eye out. Mounts seem higher than necessary for a 42mm objective scope. Marketing is misaligned. Iron sights and hogs backs offered as standard to the UK. | |||
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1894 A Swedish gun magazine did a test between different straight pulls and the good old fashion turnbolt action. The result were that people were faster with the old turnbolt action. The synthetic stock is also very El-cheapo and it kan be hard to fit another recoil pad too among other stuff. My experience of german products in U.K is not soo positive. It will soon be like the Fawlty Towers and the german guests | ||
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quote:"Well, but you started it!" "No, we didn't!" "Yes, you did! You invaded Poland!" | |||
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Three words: I hate them. ![[Mad]](images/icons/mad.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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My opinion is it is an over enganered thing that falls into the same catagory as the bolt action double rifle, something to talk about, but not very practical! Firstly, I don't like pushfeed rifles, the blazer is a pushfeed! as are the Sako, Rem 700,Wbys. The only valid reason a rifle is built asa pushfeed, is to make it cheaper to make. I has no good effect for the owner, at all! I see no need for interchangable barrels, in the USA, but maybe a real boon to people in countries where they are limited in the number of guns they can own! I believe the Blazer 93 was aimed at that market, and is why it, and combination guns, are popular in many Nord, and europien countries! The way a rifle looks is a personal thing, but I simply think the Blazer rifles are down right ugly! ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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I shot my "ugly" Blaser rifle in 300 Win Mag at 200 and 300 yards on Wed.[do not tell JOHAN ] I was getting my Leupold 3.5x10 LR scope to hit at 300 yards when set on "3". I fired 3 loads, my reload of a 180 Nosler Partition with IMR4831, and two Remington factory loads, one with 180gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips, and the other with 200gr. Swift A-Frames. The two factory loads are of proven accuracy in this bbl. When it was all said and done the reload and the ballistic tips have the same zero at 300 yards. The 200gr. Swifts need one more minute up to have POA/POI. The last 3 shots fired were Swift A-Frames at 300 yards. The made an inch and a half group. The rifle was fired prone with a hasty sling off my pack, just as I might position myself in the field for a 300yd. shot. All rounds were fed from the magazine with no problems. The 300 Win Mag bbl has 239 rounds through it so far. It has killed 3 deer, and if I draw the tags it will get a chance at mule deer in WY and elk in CO this year.I like the Blaser rifles a lot so far. [ 03-15-2003, 16:53: Message edited by: N E 450 No2 ] | |||
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quote:While it could be true that push feed actions are cheaper to make, I fail to see your point that quote:. Just what is it that I give up with push feed rifles? I don't hunt lions or buffaloes, just deer, with my rifles. I don't try to cycle the bolt while the rifle is upside down, though my push feed Howa WILL feed while upside down wheter you cycle the bolt slowly or quickly. I'm not fighting a war with it. I keep my rifles clean and they don't go for weeks in the dust and dirt. So, please tell me, what "good effect" am I not getting by having push feed rifles? I have nothing AGAINST CRF. I just see no point in this endless argument that push feed rifles are somehow inferior for what 99% of us use them. Because they are not. | |||
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N E 450 No2 you need to be corrected for this use of the blaser. How could someone who own's a few double's be insane and use such silly toy as Blaser There are things who are invented by mauser and would match your double's better than that silly over engineered piece of CRAP Is this what they call the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome / JOHAN | ||
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quote:} Just like "the" Germans are all in favour of the USA's planned war of aggression, like the rest of the world ? ;-) Seriously, the field is divided. Blaser has a very strong holding on the rifle market, but the secession is growing and growing, though slowly. Too many safety problems. C. | |||
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quote:Dear Old Swede ;-), as much as I am away from being a Blaser R 93 defender, I have to give them honour where honour is due. The action may not be the safest, but is *really* fast. In a recent video shooting session with a number of friends and acquaintances, the R 93 guys were definitely those who were cycling and shooting the fastest. The only turnbolt rifle which came close in rapid fire (though only in one single exercise, the "pack of wolves") was a French civilian MAS 36 sporter in 8x60 S, fired by yours truly. Carcano | |||
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quote:Well, we have had the RL results here (two torts litigation cases). I have seen one of those cases myself. In case of a catastrophic case failure, the action may yield, and the bolt may embed itself in your face. This is true even *after* their recent safety recall where the plasticn bolt cover was exchanged against aluminium. Reason: the locking end of the barrel has *very* thin walls and is not stable enough to reliably resist massive rearward gas escape, thus different from turnbolt rifles. Also see the famous DEVA report. Carcano | |||
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carcano91, you old kraut Maybe you are a blaser employee after all. Perhaps you need some more practise with the turnbolt action. Getting old and Slow and sloppy, too much heavy and calorie rich essen I guess you will soon try to bull shit us that the silly kraut toy "blaser" is faster than a mg 42-59 or a thompson m-21 or m-28 Ohh, the writer in this magazine has a blaser and are a fan of them. / JOHAN | ||
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JOHAN I got my first Blaser on the advice of a gunstore owner who is a hunting buddy of mine. He has used a wide variety of rifles and had been using a Blaser for a while. I thought it would make a good companion for my doubles as it will fit in the same take down case as a double. Also by carrying only an extra bbl and bolt head you can switch form a "hunting" rifle to a varmint rifle. I do most of my hunting on my deer/pig lease with my doubles, but I usually carry a Blaser with a Hunting bbl and with the 223 bbl in case I want to do some varmint control or thin out the turtles in the river after I have shot all of my Nitro rounds The more I shot the Blaser the more I liked it and what it could do. Because of weight and the number of guns you are allowed to carry on airplanes a Blaser system makes a lot of sense. If you travel with two Blaser "lower" units and extra bbls it would be hard for a breakage to put you out of action. When every bbl, scope, even the bolts will interchange, you would be hard pressed to have enough bad luck to break enough stuff where you would not have a rifle to hunt with.I have yet to have even one problem with the Blaser System. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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quote:If you don't see the point in the endless argument that push feed rifles are somehow inferior, then there is no need in my telling you something you refuse to acknowledge! The case is, the pushfeed action was brought out to cut cost of manufacture, not to make the action better,that was to benefite the maker, not you! and because it costs no more to buy CRF, why let the companies screw you,only to improve their bottom line, no matter what you hunt! Since this is a free country, you may spend your money any way you see fit, but because you are sattisfied with a push feed action, does in no way prove it machaniclly better! KSduckhunter, nobody was argueing the PF/CRF issue, I simply answered the reasons why "I" do not like the Blazer rifle! I believe that was the question! Let me say it again, the reasons I do not like the Blazer rifle are: #1 it is a pushfeed action, #2 it is ugly, in my eyes,#3 it is over engineered, as are most German magazine rifles after the origenal Mauser, and #4 in the USA, I see no need for interchangable barrels on a bolt action rifle, as long as I'm allowed to own as many rifles as I please. I hope this explains my possition to your sattisfaction, but if it doesn't then you will simply have to live with the fact that we disagree! [ 03-16-2003, 22:08: Message edited by: MacD37 ] | |||
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MacD37 While I agree it is nice to own a bunch of different rifles, [I'll admit on one elk/deer hunt, we were on the mountain for 21 days, I took four different rifles and my wife took two, we were in our vehicle and space/weight/and rules were not a problem], for someone who is traveling with Airline Rules, or say a fulltimer in a motorhome, the Blaser makes a lot of sense. Of course you must like and enjoy the type of rifle you are using. One mans trash is another mans treasure. | |||
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N E 450 No2 You must be having a really hard time chooseing rifle. 4 rifles on one hunt. Did you have short, medium, fairly long and long range rifles I alwys tries to use one rifle when out traveling. If it's very far from home, I'll bring two Cheers / JOHAN | ||
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JOHAN, Sometimes when on a long hunting trip when you change rifles it can change your luck. Actually I had a couple of rifles that had yet to take game. I had a well used 300wby, a new 416 wby, a new 257wby, and my well used H&K 91 [this is a "lucky" rifle for sure]. I shot my elk the first day the season opened [public land no guide, good scouting helps] with the 300wby. I later shot a nice coyote with the 257wby. I did a little "plinking" with the 416. My wife got a deer with her 243. It was a great trip made all the more fun by having a couple of different rifles along. I can do the same thing now a lot easier with the Blaser system, and have just as much fun. | |||
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quote:So, just WHAT am I missing by not having CRF in my rifles? If you can't defend your position with facts, then just admit you're no more right than I am. Another self-appointed "expert". There's at least two of you in every board........... [ 03-17-2003, 08:30: Message edited by: ksduckhunter ] | |||
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quote:KS, you are the one who stated you were tired of the arguement over PF/CRF. If you have seen those strings on that subject, you know the difference, and I simply don't want you to have to suffer another explanation, since it bothers you so much, and it is an explanation you refuse to even consider! I certainly can defend my possition, on this subject, but you can't make up your mind if you want the argument or not! Talk about indecision! I can't see why my not likeing PF rifles has so angered you, and there is certainly no reason for your attack on me for that opinion. As I stated in my last post to you, I was only answering the question asked, and my reasons for that fact. That is still my opinion, and that opinion is backed by 60 years of shooting, and building rifles. Still only my opinion, and worth only what I charge for it, NOTHING! Your opinion that I'm another "SELF APPOINTED Expert" is just that, your opinion, and is worth exactly what I paid for it, NOTHING! As far as there being at least two S0-called experts on every board, that can be backed up by the fact that there a couple on every board, who are not happy unless they are argueing with some one, on a subject, that it is evident to everyone, they know nothing about, and resent anyone who does! None are so blind as those who will not see! Now, KS, and others, I have posted my last word on this subject! Good day gentelmen! [ 03-17-2003, 18:29: Message edited by: MacD37 ] | |||
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From the "what it's worth department" the only two brands of rifles that I have NEVER had fail to feed or eject with belted magnums are the Weatherby Mark V and the BLASER. [sorry JOHAN ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif){kind=icon} ]This includes some pretty nice Mauser actioned custom, and factory rifles. | |||
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quote:Sorr, but if the gun were tuned by a compentent gunsmith the mauser would have feed perfect, another reason for poor feeding and funcioning is el cheapo ammo. I don't care much for the weatherby mark 5 either. / JOHAN | ||
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JOHAN The Weatherby's always worked, but they were not my favorites either. The best handling bolt guns I have seen are original British rifles made before WWII. I have handled some original German Mausers from the same time period that felt nearly as good. The reason I bought double rifles is that I had such bad luck with magnum bolt rifles I was afraid to trust my life to them. I have found that I really like to hunt with doubles. The Blaser works fine on those rare occasions I may have to shoot over 200 yards. Then again I have not tried a double rifle in an over 200yd. calibre. I wonder how a Chapuis in 30-06, 300Win Mag, or 7x65R would do at extended range? I must add that I have done enough hunting with single shots that I would be perfectly happy with a European break open single shot for a "mountain" rifle". I like rifles that "break in half". I have heard good reports on the Blaser K 95, but has anybody used the Chapuis Oural? [ 03-18-2003, 06:09: Message edited by: N E 450 No2 ] | |||
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