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The .270 Rifle Effectiveness on NM Elk?
12 May 2013, 03:27
DUKE NUKEMThe .270 Rifle Effectiveness on NM Elk?
For some reason after reading this thread the .270's we have have doubled over the last week. HUH!
12 May 2013, 19:25
vapodogquote:
Barbie has a couple Winchesters in .270 and so does her GF and we were all wondering how this caliber is on NM Elk?
I loaded some 160 poartitions for a guy in New Mexico....one shot.....one elk....and the range was in the 400 yard class of shot.
I used (roughly the same bullet) a 160 partition in my .280 Remington and at 250 yards had the same result....one shot....one elk.
While I'd prefer a larger caliber, it's pretty clear that a properly placed .270 is fully adequate.....and of course any inadequately place shot isn't worth spit regardless of caliber
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12 May 2013, 19:38
jeffeossothe 6.5 swede is used, TODAY as well as 85 years ago, on MOOSE (euro elk)
shot placement and decent bullets... its just a big deer
12 May 2013, 21:39
416Tanzanquote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
the 6.5 swede is used, TODAY as well as 85 years ago, on MOOSE (euro elk)
shot placement and decent bullets... its just a big deer
And when they debate the 6.5 vs. 9.3x62 over a nice steak, some probably mention that the 9.3 "averages" a faster animal recovery. I've eaten a lot of delicious plains game taken with the 270Win. On the other hand, it does seem that "on average" a 338 Win Mag drops the larger animals faster. May each hunter enjoy the hunt and use the tools appropriately. Accuracy, confidence with a rifle, and a great bullet are the first concern.
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"A well-rounded hunting battery might include:
500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" --
Conserving creation, hunting the harvest.
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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke - Most of the Jemez Mountains are within the Santa Fe National Forest, one Wilderness area, the Valles Caldera National Preserve are also included. There is the Jemez Indian Reservation to the South, but not much of it is in elk country.
The tallest peak, Redondo is on the Valles Caldera National Preserve and is over 11,000 feet. I live at 8,500 an look straight across at Redondo. Have quite a few elk around the house in the Winter, but have all headed for higher parts now.
Hunters from lower elevations are forewarned of the altitudes here and so far none of come down with atltitude sickness or have needed oxygen. I always suggest that hunters arrive a day or two early to acclimate to the ele. Most elk are found in the 6,500 to 8,500 elevation range. Have a great day.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
I'll give you a wave as we pass by on Thursday. Currently in Albuquerque & taking the scenic route up to the NRAWC at Raton, so Espanola, Taos, Angel Fire & Cimmaron looks to be the way.
I'll have my .270 with me.....
13 May 2013, 19:40
Larry SellersOdd - A wave back to you as well. Have a great trip and stay here in New Mexico. Your chosen route will take you to some really nice parts. Careful with the Mexican food and enjoy.
Oh, it's OK to bring the .270 along as Elk season doesn't start until October.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
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Originally posted by Oddbod:
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke - Most of the Jemez Mountains are within the Santa Fe National Forest, one Wilderness area, the Valles Caldera National Preserve are also included. There is the Jemez Indian Reservation to the South, but not much of it is in elk country.
The tallest peak, Redondo is on the Valles Caldera National Preserve and is over 11,000 feet. I live at 8,500 an look straight across at Redondo. Have quite a few elk around the house in the Winter, but have all headed for higher parts now.
Hunters from lower elevations are forewarned of the altitudes here and so far none of come down with atltitude sickness or have needed oxygen. I always suggest that hunters arrive a day or two early to acclimate to the ele. Most elk are found in the 6,500 to 8,500 elevation range. Have a great day.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
I'll give you a wave as we pass by on Thursday. Currently in Albuquerque & taking the scenic route up to the NRAWC at Raton, so Espanola, Taos, Angel Fire & Cimmaron looks to be the way.
I'll have my .270 with me.....
23 May 2013, 05:22
DUKE NUKEMLarry nothing personal and NOT attacking your state but we found several homes just North of the Santa Fe area that look to be a good investment home and FOB for Elk hunting. The thing we find kind of peculiar is some of the homes have "Meditation Rooms" ??? and the locals do some sort of neo voodoo metaphysical spirit worship. How far north would I have to go to clear this yuppy, tie dye, Birkenstock, Harry Christmas Hin-Due-ish, Transcendental, vortex? Respectfully speaking might I add. Sorry I don't believe in the supernatural, spooks, ghosts or aliens.
Also most are covenant controlled and the HOA/Nought-sies basically say "We Hate Horses and Horse People Stay Away"
I have always been enamored by the flat roof territorial style homes and the traditional Mexican lifestyle.
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Originally posted by DUKE NUKEM:
Larry nothing personal and attacking your state but we found several homes just North of the Santa Fe area area that look to be a good investment home and FOB for Elk hunting. The thing we find kind of peculiar is some of the homes have "Meditation Rooms" ??? and the locals do some sort of neo voodoo metaphysical spirit worship. How far north would I have to go to clear this yuppy, tie dye, Birkenstock, Harry Christmas Hin-Due-ish, Transcendental, vortex? Respectfully speaking might I add. Sorry I don't believe in the supernatural, spooks, ghosts or aliens.
Also most are covenant controlled and the HOA/Nought-sies basically say "We Hate Horses and Horse People Stay Away"
I have always been enamored by the flat roof territorial style homes and the traditional Mexican lifestyle.
From what I've seen, you can't avoid them all the way from Santa Fe to Trinidad.
Heck, we even drove to the Hog Farm at Llano & Wavy Gravy's bus is still there, though horses abound too.
23 May 2013, 20:35
Larry SellersDuke/Odd - Don't know where all you looked but horses and horse folks abound throughout all Northern New Mexico. The early Spainards brought horses in and most "all the ranch folks" here are very horse savy. Even the "upscale imported folks" like their Arabians and other show breeds. New Mexico continues to be a "Western" State in it's choice of attitudes and offerings, once outside of Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
Meditation has a strong influence not only with the "old hippies" still around but with the Native American, Pueblo culture as well. While I am not heavy into meditation I do find it's Native American side veeeeery interesting at times. Cool stuff really.
I would think you would find the folks you mentioned Duke would be more opposed to neighbors with guns than horses. Especially if they were of the .270 variety.
(Staying on topic).
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
24 May 2013, 05:10
DUKE NUKEMquote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke/Odd - Don't know where all you looked but horses and horse folks abound throughout all Northern New Mexico. The early Spainards brought horses in and most "all the ranch folks" here are very horse savy. Even the "upscale imported folks" like their Arabians and other show breeds. New Mexico continues to be a "Western" State in it's choice of attitudes and offerings, once outside of Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
Meditation has a strong influence not only with the "old hippies" still around but with the Native American, Pueblo culture as well. While I am not heavy into meditation I do find it's Native American side veeeeery interesting at times. Cool stuff really.
I would think you would find the folks you mentioned Duke would be more opposed to neighbors with guns than horses. Especially if they were of the .270 variety.
(Staying on topic).
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
Yes staying on Topic to hunt Elk with a .270 in NM requires a FOB.
I'll try and find the ones up around Sante Fe but here's the ones in Placitas, NM. The ones we like had a mile long 5 page list of "you can't do that here you'll upset the other yuppies" I have it on PDF so I'd have to email it to you. It's a hoot. I have a friend that lives in BH CA I sent it to and he said their home owners were not even that strict. lol
http://abqrealtors.rapmls.com/...&Search_RID=23982582Anyway we found less restrictions up your way.
I still don't get the meditation thing. All I ever think about is Women, Guns and hunting. Did I remember to say women?
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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke/Odd - Don't know where all you looked but horses and horse folks abound throughout all Northern New Mexico.
By horses abound I meant I saw plenty of them - far more than there are here in Albuquerque.
Got my Elk load worked up: 140gr Interlock with 58gr of H4831sc behind it is consistently .5 MOA for three shots.
24 May 2013, 20:09
Larry SellersOdd - Hope you enjoyed your vist to NM and by the way, the load you mentioned I hope is not for a .270?
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
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Originally posted by Oddbod:
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke/Odd - Don't know where all you looked but horses and horse folks abound throughout all Northern New Mexico.
By horses abound I meant I saw plenty of them - far more than there are here in Albuquerque.
Got my Elk load worked up: 140gr Interlock with 58gr of H4831sc behind it is consistently .5 MOA for three shots.
What would be wrong with that load in a 270?
That will be a very effective load. If I changed anything it would be to use the interbond bullet, but that is just personal preference. We've been killing elk with standard 130 grain bullets for how long now?
25 May 2013, 07:40
Larry Sellersolarmy - Guess you haven't read the whole thread, huh? Several of us,(odd and Duke) who I consider friends now, banter a little on this. I don't allow anything less than .30 cal. for clients hunting elk with my organization. Just my rule, don't care what anyone uses elsewhere.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
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Originally posted by olarmy:
What would be wrong with that load in a 270?
The only bad part of visiting NM is having to go back to Blighty in order to earn the $ to be back again in November.
That's my "not shooting elk with Larry load"
If I ever require your services, a mate has agreed to loan me his 416 Rigby double......
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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Odd - Hope you enjoyed your vist to NM and by the way, the load you mentioned I hope is not for a .270?
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
quote:
Originally posted by Oddbod:
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke/Odd - Don't know where all you looked but horses and horse folks abound throughout all Northern New Mexico.
By horses abound I meant I saw plenty of them - far more than there are here in Albuquerque.
Got my Elk load worked up: 140gr Interlock with 58gr of H4831sc behind it is consistently .5 MOA for three shots.
Larry: I have read the whole thread, and understand your 30cal minimum. Just thought you might have a problem with that particular load in a 270 (as a yote rifle, of course). Thanks for the clarification.
25 May 2013, 21:01
thecanadianI dont see the issue with a .270. If it was good enough to kill the world record Moose up in AK, than it should be fine for elk, provided you realize its a >300yd rifle. I have hunted and taken an elk in CO and a 643lb black bear here in WI with my 7mm-08 with out problems.
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25 May 2013, 21:01
Larry SellersNo problem. The .270 makes a good coyote rifle/load, still maybe a little undergunned for the ones here in New Mexico? Tough little buggers we have here.
Odd - If you don't want to bring the double, which would be way cool, by the way, I have several proper .30 cals you are always welcome to give a go.
Later.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
quote:
Originally posted by olarmy:
Larry: I have read the whole thread, and understand your 30cal minimum. Just thought you might have a problem with that particular load in a 270 (as a yote rifle, of course). Thanks for the clarification.
25 May 2013, 21:33
416Tanzanquote:
No problem. The .270 makes a good coyote rifle/load, still maybe a little undergunned for the ones here in New Mexico? Tough little buggers we have here.
Odd - If you don't want to bring the double, which would be way cool, by the way, I have several proper .30 cals you are always welcome to give a go.
The only problem with 30 cal rifles is that they shoot .308" bullets.
Elmer liked 338's. Jack liked the 270.
But a nice 416Rigby bolt-gun shooting 330-350 grain bullets at 2800 fps would be a true elk stomper. How sweet it is.
Son walking up to a very dead hartebeest Oct 2012 for finishing shot. 416cal, 350 gn, 2825fps.
And while hartebeests are smaller than elk, and the 416 can handle buffalo and elephant,
it also makes a great guinea fowl gun. See below, Oct 2012:
Maybe we've discovered the new, hot elk calibre.
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"A well-rounded hunting battery might include:
500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" --
Conserving creation, hunting the harvest.
I can state from being witness that a .300RUM will drop a turkey with a single shot.
Unfortunately it drops in several places.
27 May 2013, 07:21
Larry SellersOdd - If you can't make it over with the .416 double how about just mailing it and some ammo over to me and I'll take it to Moz next month?
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
quote:
Originally posted by Oddbod:
I can state from being witness that a .300RUM will drop a turkey with a single shot.
Unfortunately it drops in several places.
28 May 2013, 08:17
DUKE NUKEMquote:
Originally posted by Oddbod:
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Duke/Odd - Don't know where all you looked but horses and horse folks abound throughout all Northern New Mexico.
The HOA's said I could have one horse. What the heck would be the use of one horse? I find that offending. We hacked this country out of the wilderness with an axe, rifle, a lead bullet and a saddle horse. Sounds like a bunch of hippies like up in Oregon moved in and sit around reading Siddhartha, playing Sitar's and sucking on hookah's.
Larry did you see the home in link that had the head of some hin-due thing on the wall?
28 May 2013, 08:19
DUKE NUKEMOOPS! I corrected the post Larry it should read.
Larry nothing personal and NOT attacking your state but we found several homes just North of the Santa Fe area that look to be a good investment home and FOB for Elk hunting
28 May 2013, 08:39
DUKE NUKEMquote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
olarmy - Guess you haven't read the whole thread, huh? Several of us,(odd and Duke) who I consider friends now, banter a little on this. I don't allow anything less than .30 cal. for clients hunting elk with my organization. Just my rule, don't care what anyone uses elsewhere.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
quote:
Originally posted by olarmy:
What would be wrong with that load in a 270?
If that's your rule, then that's your rule. Others should respect it. If they don't like it then TS. It's just like we don't allow smoking on the the property when we have a party. If they don't like it then TS.
