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Okay, I have been reading the post on this site for sometime and have seen a lot of people that say that Savage looks bad or looks cheap. Now granted they may not look like a Custom or even a $2000 gun. I use to think that Savage was the Wal-Mart of guns but I have seen the error of my ways. I bought one not to long ago that I don't think looks cheap and will shoot factory ammo better than most of the high $ guns. It is a 112 bvss in 7mm mag with a 6.5 to 20 Leupold. I took it to the Range Yesterday. The weather was perfect and so were the groups. Cheap or not it shoots better than all the Rugers, Remingtons, and Brownings I have ever owned.   Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die. | ||
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No bashing here! I don't think they look that bad, and they make a darned fine huinting piece. Accuracy is top notch, and the price gets you the "biggest bang for the buck" Lt. Robert J. Dole, 10th Mountain, Italy. | |||
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DITTO  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I got a savage model 16 stainless synthetic in .270WSM. It doesnt look as good as some of those custom guns you see in magazines. But thats not what u pay for. You pay for performance. I never seen a animal killed by how good a gun looks! Savages are workhorse guns. They shoot straight and are at a resonable price. So i ask if they shoot like a custom rifle and are priced at a thrird of the price, whats the big deal?!?!?! Well polish my balls and serve me a milkshake! | |||
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My question is which model number is most consistently accurate, stainless or blued, and do the ones with detachable magazines have enough mag depth to seat out to the lands? I'm thinking about one in 338 win mag and would like the 116FCSAK because it comes with a muzzle brake but has a detachable mag. The 116FSS is the same gun but without the muzzle brake and has a blind magazine. I would rather buy the one with the blind mag if it allows me to seat close to the lands. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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The synthetic stock they use looks like trash. Turns out its a pretty flexy number too. Switching to any of the aftermarket stocks (or buying from the factory that way) makes them look better and be even more accurate. I dont have that problem with thier laminated stock, but that black plastic stock is a POS. | |||
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I have shot a couple of model 110's and a model 12 and a model 116 and my 112. all would shoot a 3/4" @ 100yds strait out of the box. Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die. | |||
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after reading the posts on this forum, and owning a couple of Savages myself, I have not heard that SS vs Blued makes much difference in accuracy. I have no personal experience with the detachable mags. I have had no problems with their black stocks. Both my Savages have them. One is pillar bedded, the other is not. As long as the screws are not overly tight or overly loose, they work just fine. ______________________________ Well, they really aren't debates... more like horse and pony shows... without the pony... just the whores. 1955, Top tax rate, 92%... unemployment, 4%. "Beware of the Free Market. There are only two ways you can make that work. Either you bring the world's standard of living up to match ours, or lower ours to meet their's. You know which way it will go." by My Great Grandfather, 1960 Protection for Monsanto is Persecution of Farmers. | |||
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My Savage 112's in 204 Ruger, 243 and 7Mag(HB) are Death Ray accurate, favorite rifles for South Dakota prarie dog trips. I don't care for them for big game (mainly esthetics) they work just fine for other folks, they are good serviceable tools and a good value, the Accu triggers are great. | |||
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Here is my daughter with her 110L Savage in .308 along with the 4x3 mule deer she shot with it last month. This older - 1960's - rifle still puts 3 - 165 grain partitions into less than 3/4's of an inch at 100 yards. It is hard to argue against their accuracy! LoL  | |||
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Come on Savage as some of the worse looks in the busness. They sure do shoot. I have several and they all shoot just great. But I have had feeding trouble with with all. If savage could bring the rest of the rifle up to their shooting standards they have a top notch rifle. No bashing just plain facts. | |||
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Out of curiousity since I have no experience with Savages. How difficult are their actions to work on to smooth feeding etc. and eliminate some of the perceived negatives? Jeff In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. | |||
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I don't feel the need to bash them , but since the subject was brought up , having the bolt in my rifle roll-pinned and stove bolted together does not exactly fill me with glee . I don't care for blind magazines in a hunting rifle at all . My brother has had a left handed 110 for years with the detachable magazine as his only rifle . He gets along , but it has the annoying habit of dropping out the magazine when you least expect it . He has lost several and has threatened to just weld the sucker in place more than once. I do own a Striker , and after about four or five shots , the so-called "rear flange" thingy departed for parts unknown . Savage did send me out another one , but it turns out they are held in place only by a tiny spring and ball detent . I don't doubt the Savages are mostly pretty accurate , but all in all they seem on the cheesy side to me....... | |||
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My savage with the controlled push round feed has had no problems. The bolt is a bit stiff at first but after a about a box of ammo it works out fine. But if it still isnt up to your standards. Loosen the bolt at the front of the trigger gaurd just a bit. Then its nothin but butter! Well polish my balls and serve me a milkshake! | |||
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The 110 30-06 I have from the early 90s is probably one of the smoothest bolts I've come accross and it will shoot just about anything sub-moa. The newer 16WW I have in 300 WSM is a tack driver more so than the older rifle but, it doesn't have near the smoothness. Maybe it'll slick up over use and w/ the groups it prints, I ain't "Kickin' her to the curb" any time soon. I have managed to make both stocks (1 wood and 1 syn.) look nice. I did a custom paint job on the wood stock after I stripped it and sanded it down. I sanded the synthetic stock down completely and reinforced it w/ epoxy, it now has sort of a textured ruberized look. Both have the Sims Pads and I realy don't have any complaints. The barrel switching at home is a nice advantage as well. If you want a inexpensive Functioning tool that does the job, they are a good pic. They'll out shoot alot of custom rigs. I prefer my 700s but, the Savages make it to the woods as well. Reloader | |||
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Simple cure to this, “Don’t buy synthetic stocked rifleâ€. As far as Savage looks go anything that shoots as well as they do isn’t ugly by any means. Lawdog | |||
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Can solve the flexible stock problem with a couple of hollow valve rods and a few bucks of acraglas or jb weld as well. | |||
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I like accurate rifles - Savage has always fit the bill. I also like stocks that don't look like they were made from a 2x4 - so I have always restocked the Savage rifles I've owned. I just like working with wood I guess. I've always been happy when I'm done. Lance Lance Larson Studio lancelarsonstudio.com | |||
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I own several Savage rifles and love all of them. I believe that they have the best barrels of any of the major manufacturuers. They are all accurate and the accu-trigger is a great value. They do have some aesthetic issues. Their synthetic stocks are ugly and way too flexible. The blueing on most of their guns is terrible. I see a lot of the same problems with most guns that are made to sell for a few hundred bucks. Remingtons 700 and the Winchesters model 70 are about the same if yuou get the cheap Wal-Mart version. To me it's like buying a Chevy truck instead of a $60,000 Hummer. It's a function ctruck, but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles, or leather seats. To me a rifle is a tool that needs to be functional, durable, and accurate. Some people want a rifle thats a work of art. Others equate price with quality. If a new Savage was $3000 they'd be buying them just because they were expensive and bashing the "cheap" guns. | |||
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Elkhunter: Your Probably Correct. I will say that I like a pretty gun that's functional. I choose my gun's kinda like I dated women years ago. I like them pretty but functioning. I finally found one and she'll buy me gun's and send me west hunting every fall. I sure do love this woman. My point is, all gun's need some touching up in certain areas depending on what you like and what $ you have to spend. The true custom is about the only way you get all you like for the money you spend. Sounds like prostitution. I do not own a savage. Only remington's and howa's. The howa 1500 is like a savage. It ain't pretty and takes some polishing but boy do the ones I have shoot. I'll take shooting straight over about anything. Enjoyed the comments. | |||
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I was biased (justly or unjustly, I don't know)against Savage at an early age. As a young pup (I'm 40 now), the hunting knowledge that my Granddad and Father inparted to me included gun manufacturers to avoid. Savage was always the first mentioned. The list also included Ruger, Mossberg, Stevens, and a half dozen more I can't remember. I will say, that over the years, I have observed rifles/shotguns in action made by the above mentioned companies and have not been impressed. Could be Granddad was right. Anyway, it's too ingrained in me now to change. I'll just stick with my 1960's FN/Brownings and Commercial Mausers. -Vlad | |||
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VLADIMIR: WHAT TYPE OF FN 1960 BROWNINGS DO YOU HAVE? DESCRIBE THEM. MY BUDDY HAS 2 FN 30-06'S FROM THE 60'S. THEIR MINT CONDITION SAFARI GRADES. HIS SHOOT EXTREMELY GOOD. HE'S TAKING ONE WITH 150 GRAIN LOADS TO WYOMING FOR MULE DEER. | |||
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I think some need to keep in mind that there is a difference in having an opinnion and in bashing... It seems that when some of you ask about your gun, you get upset if someone gives you an answer other than what you want to hear... The simply truth on savage is today they are a cheaply made gun, they took all the shortcuts they could to keep the price down, and thats fine for some but not for others...I personally would not own one..They don't shoot any better than any other factory made rifle, in factory rifles they all have lemons and good ones. The old Savage 99s from the 1950 back were works of art, beatiful rifles... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The first Savage I bought, I had to almost be forced into by the gun shop owner. He was a family friend, and kept trying to get me away from that pricy Rugur to the Savage. I am glad he did! I have owned 3, and haven't found one that would not shoot under 1 MOA with most factory ammo. My newest has that crappy Tupperware stock, but will shoot so good I am scared to replace it! | |||
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Snider700, I have several FN/Brownings in Safari grade. They include 243,30-06,300H&H,375H&H,458WM and two auto 5 shotguns, a 12 ga. and a 16 ga. I also have a number of FN Mausers - 22-250,270,35 Whelen etc... The earliest date is 1951 on the 270 and the latest is 1970 on the 458WM. The others are all in the early 1960's. I've purposely avoided the late 60's from fear of "salt guns". From my first FN, which was a present from my Father, to my last, I have always been satisfied. -Vlad My first | |||
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I am sorry Ray and this will most likely p8ss you off at me but this statement shows to me you've not tried one of the new Savages rifles. I and many others have and rifles for rifle they give better accuracy out of the box than other manufactured rifles. Yes that includes Remington(the new ones a POS anyway), Winchester, Ruger, etc. I have yet to see a new Savage bolt action rifle that won't shoot MOA [B}or better[/B] out of the box. I didn't think too much of the new Savages either until my son bought one and the first three sight in shots went into a group that measured 0.323". Load work has only improved the accuracy. Lawdog | |||
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I just don't know about the "new" Savages. The only Savage I ever owned was the first rifle I ever owned -- I believe it was a clip=fed, Model 34 bolt action Savage in 30-30 caliber. I killed three deer with it -- two white tails and a mule deer. The last, being the mule deer, I use the word "killed" with some reservation -- I actually had to finish the animal off with my knife ( a long story.) Any way, my model 34 was very accurate and the irony is that my bother owned an identical rifle in 30-30 that would be lucky to hit a bus at 50 yards. I just found the difference between these two guns to be a real distraction and I made the decision to never buy another savage. I was in the process of building up a 35 Whelen on a 1903 Springfield back then to replace the Savage, so I managed to trade the Savage (+ $50) off on a 6mm Lee Navy that became another "special project" for me. I have bought and traded many rifles since those early days (40 years ago), but I have never bought another Savage -- just don't like their looks. I know Savage lovers will disagree, but that's my perogative -- and their's. Barstooler | |||
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The old model 34 Savage couldn't compare with the other Savage bolt action rifles that was available during the same time period. Not even close. I had both back in the 1960's(yeah I had one of those M34 Savages in .30-30 caliber - POS). Lawdog  | |||
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I don't know about bashing. My old rotary magazine 99 has only missed one deer. MY FAULT. It has always shot minute of deer. I don't do benchrest but would probably use a different gun. Packy | |||
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Lawdog, Were the bolt Savages back then comparable to the pre-64 Winchester Mod 70s?? Packrat, Concur. I did like the Model 99, and refinished several of them for my dad's friends. Seemed every "lefty" in the county who could not get a left hand bolt, back then owned a 99 in 300 Savage. Barstooler | |||
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Barstooler,
The old M110 that I had given to me I wouldn't say it was comparable to a pre-64 M70 but it wasn't all that bad either. The stock wood was very plain as far as the grain goes. Metal butt plate that I covered with a slip-on recoil pad. A 24" barrel with standard gold bead front sight with a peep rear sight. Accuracy was good but I traded it off for a Remington M721 .270(big Jack O’Connor fan at that time). Traded the .270 off for a Win. M54 .220 Swift(I had been told the Swift was a great cartridge for the little Blacktail deer(big mistake  )). Lawdog | |||
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You have to admit that they're kind of ugly. Usually the stocks are blocky and the action isn't very smooth looking. Yet, pretty is as pretty does. They shoot, usually far better w/ the factory barrels than Rem., Win., Rug., etc. That's what matters for me. I don't knock the savages, in fact I'd like to get one w/ a couple of interchagable barrels. | |||
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SAvages Suck!  Never ever buy a Savage! ( that way they won't get too popular and the price won't go up, so I can add a few more to my gunsafe... after I finish that, then you guys can talk them up....!  | |||
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That's one reason I am not too high on the Savages . Around these parts , a stainless /laminate varmint weight Savage is typically marked 100 bucks higher than a comparable Ruger or Winchester , and you can pick up a M-700 synthetic varmint for about 50 bucks more . The sporter weights or tupperware stocked guns are no cheaper than comparable Rugers , so I just don't see where the great bargains are some folks talk about..........? | |||
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My brother an dmy dad owned a pair of 110's, one in .22-250 and one in 7Mag. Both shot well and both developed the same problem after a lot of shooting. When you worked the bolt the next cartridge would pop up out of the magazine and jam unless there was only one in the magazine, making them a 2-shooter. I don't know if this is a common problem or not, but it made me not desire one. I do know I'd sure rather have a Tikka, Cz or Ruger if I was going to hunt with it. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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I don't see it as bashing, it's just good folks conveying their personal preferences - the friendly Ford, Chevy, Dodge debate. To me form is as important as funtion - I need both. It's all about pride of ownership. I take NO pride in owning a Savage (except the model 99), Ruger 77, Remington, or the like. Sure they are acceptable products, but it's all about personal preference. For factory guns I prefer companies like Sako (pre 75), Cooper, Kimber, Sauer, etc.; however, I would choose a Sako 75 over the Savage, Remington, Ruger 77, etc. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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